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What Airliners Are Runway Hogs?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:42 am

When I say runway hogs, I mean an airliner that take almost a whole full size runway to lift off the ground. These jets come to mind, a fully loaded 747 classic, 707, DC 8, IL 86 and a DC 10 30 (on a long flight). Do you have any airliners you could think of that take almost a whole runway to takeoff.
 
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RE: What Airliners Are Runway Hogs?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:54 am

I know this has been beaten into the ground, the early CRJ 100's - 200's seem to take a lot of time to get into the air. I think there was an earlier thread from someone referring to them as pavement grippers. I remember on a fully loaded UA (express) flight from IAD to Columbia, SC the take off was in very hot and humid weather early in the day with a lot of humidity. That plane stayed on the runway forever with the engines at high power, seemed we were halfway down I-95 before it got air born. Once air born, she climbed pretty good as we got above the cloud deck. I actually love to fly on those little pups, the long takeoff roll is all part of the fun.
 
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RE: What Airliners Are Runway Hogs?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:35 am

It's true about the CRJ, relatively speaking. That's what happens when you overload your business jet design.

Also the A340-300 and 767-400, both tend to have a rather longer take-off run than a 747-400 (or DC-10-30). I'm pretty positive about this, because it took me a long time to get each of them photographed like this. Requires special repositioning along the runway at AMS.

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RE: What Airliners Are Runway Hogs?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:25 am

Since you didn't specify either airport ID or runway dimensions, I can say a fully loaded B727-200 on a hot day seemed to take forever to get off the ground. I recall being in one taking off from DCA for ORD in the middle of a hot and humid summer day and seriously wondering if we would ever rotate. Also I've seen ATA 727-200s use up almost all of MDW's runway 13C before lifting off. I swear it was so low ii seemed possible to reach up and touch the main gear as the plane roared over the barrier at 55th and Central!
 
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RE: What Airliners Are Runway Hogs?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:58 am

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It's true about the CRJ, relatively speaking. That's what happens when you overload your business jet design.

Dang, you beat me to it!!

I remember reading somewhere that SAS DC-8 stretches at LAX took almost the entire runway lifting off at just the last minute!

In regards to the IL-86, didn't the IL-96 address the concerns of underpowered engines (relative to the weight) and somewhat sluggish performance in certain conditions?
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Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:10 am

Ilyushins seem to be afraid of flying.


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RE: What Airliners Are Runway Hogs?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:21 am

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RE: What Airliners Are Runway Hogs?

Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:14 pm

Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 4):
Since you didn't specify either airport ID or runway dimensions, I can say a fully loaded B727-200 on a hot day seemed to take forever to get off the ground.

Agree but I saw them even in the winter time in Canada (YHM) around x-mas
man oh man it took forever (my guess loaded to the max with goods)

Note talking about the freighters.............

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RE: What Airliners Are Runway Hogs?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:47 pm

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 2):
Also the A340-300 and 767-400, both tend to have a rather longer take-off run than a 747-400 (or DC-10-30).

I have to disagree with the 764; they pay regular visits in/out of HNL and don't seem to have much trouble rolling off of 8R despite the relatively hot and humid climate here in the Islands. I will give you the A340, however, as it needs to make a 45 degree bank at 500 ft to clear downtown Honolulu (and my damn building!).

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):
Ilyushins seem to be afraid of flying.

While the pics are alarming to say the least, I think some have raised the possibility that this is due to the respective pilots' reluctance to use full power on takeoff. Anyone know for sure?


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RE: What Airliners Are Runway Hogs?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:04 pm

747s and MD-11s will sometimes make full use of 17L (8500 ft) at SDF. I have seen a full 747 classic clear the blast fence at the departure end by about 30 feet. Was a real treat considering I was standing in the parking lot just beyond that blast fence.
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RE: What Airliners Are Runway Hogs?

Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:57 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 9):
I have to disagree with the 764

Me as well. DL routinely does OGG-LAX/SLC off of the 7,000 foot runway. While it is more sluggish than the 767-300, the 767-400, for its size, still has pretty good takeoff performance.

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RE: What Airliners Are Runway Hogs?

Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 2):
Also the A340-300 and 767-400, both tend to have a rather longer take-off run than a 747-400 (or DC-10-30). I'm pretty positive about this, because it took me a long time to get each of them photographed like this



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 11):
DL routinely does OGG-LAX/SLC off of the 7,000 foot runway. While it is more sluggish than the 767-300, the 767-400, for its size, still has pretty good takeoff performance.

The 767400 has better take off performance than an A330 300. Look! go to www.flightlevel350.com look up Manchester UK. And click then on the video that show the US A330, DL 767 400 and CO 757 200, and then time them from engine spool up to rotation and you see.
 
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RE: What Airliners Are Runway Hogs?

Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:13 am

I guess you guys are be right about the 767-400 not being a hog. Its thrust/weight ratio at MTOW is about 0.28, compared to only 0.22 for the A340-300. Since the 767 has a big wing, the 764's wing loading shouldn't be too bad either.

I can only assume then that both daily Continental 764s from AMS tend to be very heavy. One goes to IAH, which is also quite a long flight, although the other one goes to EWR.

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RE: What Airliners Are Runway Hogs?

Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:55 pm

A fully loaded A345 flight for an ultra long haul flight takes a long time to get to speed. I timed the takeoff roll for SIN-EWR at 1 minute and 2 seconds. For most of my other flights, takeoff time is between 35 and 50 seconds.
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RE: What Airliners Are Runway Hogs?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:55 am

It's an unfair comparison to use the Manchester video as DL get poor loads on their MAN-JFK service and US get relatively good ones on the MAN-PHL. I would also say that, despite the extreme length of the 764, the A330 is a bigger, bulkier plane.

Speaking of real runway hoggers, the Trident was an unbelievable example - they never wanted to come unstuck! They were nicknamed something here in the UK but I can't remember what.

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RE: What Airliners Are Runway Hogs?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:11 pm

I remember watching Aeroflot IL-62's use almost the entire runway at IAD on many occasions. Those things are runway hogs.
 
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RE: What Airliners Are Runway Hogs?

Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:54 am

At SNA, the MD-80's of NW seemed to take the entire runway to get going whereas the 757 and 737's seem to get off right away.

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