Aerotik
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Thoughts: Citizens Groups Against Air Traffic Nois

Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:58 am

A letter to the editor in my local paper addressed an issue that affects anyone who lives near an airport or close to a flight route: air traffic noise.

A resident of a neighboring community complains of air traffic noise that keeps him awake at night and disturbs his ability to hear conversations at close range. The flights originate from BOS Runway 27.

Personally, this same noise is something I love to hear (plus the view from my loft of aircraft always pleases me).

What do you pilots and airline buffs think of citizens trying to reroute and/or muffle air traffic? Are there compromises that can be made between FAA and local communities around routing air traffic? (I understand that a lot depends on the number of scheduled flights as well as weather conditions).

(I'm prepared for a deluge of critical thinking and perhaps a bit of *%$&@!)
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AirWillie6475
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RE: Thoughts: Citizens Groups Against Air Traffic

Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:28 am

Well they can move can't they?
 
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RE: Thoughts: Citizens Groups Against Air Traffic

Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:01 am

Agh, here in the UK we call these pie brains NIMBY's, which stands for "Not In My Back Yard". I cannot understand people who move next to an airport, especially considering how well publicised the increase in air travel is, and then have the sheer ordacity to complain that they might hear and aircraft from time to time. As AirWillie said, they should move!

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RE: Thoughts: Citizens Groups Against Air Traffic

Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:23 am

I really hate people such as these. I mean I'm sure they are nice people, but they are annoying.....they had to know that living by an airport, which was probably there before they were, that there was going to be noise from the airport.....so I'm going to give those NIMBY's a little bit of free advice....MOVE!
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RE: Thoughts: Citizens Groups Against Air Traffic

Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:43 am

If they don't like it, tough... nothing says they have to live there, they can go ahead and move. Thats my thoughts anyway Big grin

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Leskova
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RE: Thoughts: Citizens Groups Against Air Traffic

Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:04 pm

There are two categories - those that all previous posters have commented on, people that move close to an airport and then complain... to them, I can only say "Tough Luck".

Then, of course, there's that other category - those often forgotten in discussions such as these... and, yes, they do exist: people that moved someplace that didn't get any airport noise - then traffic gets rerouted and suddenly, they're right in the middle of it all.

The latter are people that, in my view, certainly have a reason to complain, or expect either compensation or help in insulating their house/flat/apartment noise-proof.

A colleague of mine lives about 25km north of Zürich (just south of the Swiss/German border) - when he bought the house, there was no aircraft-noise whatsoever there. Then Germany and Switzerland couldn't agree on how to route planes approaching ZRH and, suddenly, he gets about half of departures flying past his house, as well as - depending on the wind - quite a few arrivals as well.

Same thing here in Frankfurt, where some communities in the Taunus (the mountains just north of Frankfurt) were unaffected by aircraft noise, because the routes simply didn't come close to them: then, because the people in another city complained enough, the departure routes were changed and people who've lived for decades in quiet towns now get aircraft departures routed over their heads...

This latter category of people, as I've written, certainly do have a right to not only complain, but to expect compensation.

I think that each complaint should, mandatorily, also contain the answer to the question "When did you move there?"... if there was noise there at that point, then it's simply "Have a nice day"... if there wasn't, then things get a lot more complicated...

After all... not everyone loves "waking up in the morning to a pair of PW4074's"...
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RE: Thoughts: Citizens Groups Against Air Traffic

Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:28 pm

Dear Posters:

Thanks for your input!

I agree with those who don't mind the air traffic noise (if it was a preexisting and known phenomenon when the complainant moved into the flight path area)but, to those affected by rerouted traffic, I am not sure if they can get compensation for the noise they feel they must endure. They can do as this fellow is doing: write letters to the Editor that get posted in the Sunday paper in a section that not many read or organize and talk to the controllers and their superiors at BOS to get the route changed once in awhile.

In the meantime, I'll enjoy all the flights (and noise) from my elevated post on the highest point in BOS.

May you all get "high" very often....
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RE: Thoughts: Citizens Groups Against Air Traffic

Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:57 am

They don't even know what noise is these days........let them go back about 15 years and have a constant stream of B727's, DC9's, B737-100/200's, G2's, and for good measure some DH125's, that'll give them the noise to make noise about!  Smile
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RE: Thoughts: Citizens Groups Against Air Traffic

Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:51 am

These Idiots who complain about Air Traffic noise, I remember writing to Skyport news paper a few years ago,about the locals ganging up on the Heathrow Airport Athorities (BAA) after they got down wind of increasing night flights. Of course they started a protest,but no one was taking any notice and the locals didn't get anywhere, but where are they now i wonder,because,half of those living near LHR use the airport to go on there hols,and i bet at that point,none of them complained once about Air Traffic noise.

These people have nothing better to do,so they stir up trouble, and for what, nothing. pathetic!!.

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RE: Thoughts: Citizens Groups Against Air Traffic

Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:29 am

Well being where I live, I rarely get to see commercial airlines on the ground, most are at FL330+. So I wouldn't mind living near an airport. We have some friends that used to live near the Thunder Bay Ont. Airport. When ever we would stay with them, anytime I heard something approaching I would walk to the end of their street to the airport fence, and watch it land. I love hearing the sound of any aircraft. Big grin

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