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Cheap First Class Seats?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:43 am

Anybody know where I can find cheap first class deals for any domestic united states flights? I don't want to use my UA miles, or hope for an upgrade!!!



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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:50 am

One of the best deals is Airtran...they offer 1st Class for a modest premium.

On US/United it's $50 per 500 miles, but only if there's seats left after the upgrades...not common.


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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:50 am

US claims to have a cheap(they use affordable) FC seat on their website
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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:53 am

AS is usually pretty reasonable and where UA competes with them, offers similar prices. The advantage with AS is they are true "F" fares so unrestricted and refundable. UA's are usually "Q-UP" so they're Economy fares that book into First Class (A fare basis) but incur fees for changes and are non-refundable.
 
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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:55 am

US can upgrade you at the gate for a reasonable amount. They offered it for 200.00 for a LAX-PIT leg and only 50.00 for PIT-BOS. Not Bad.
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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:05 pm

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 1):
One of the best deals is Airtran...they offer 1st Class for a modest premium.

I'm flying AirTran Thursday evening and strongly considering taking advantage of this. I saw on their website they upped the price $5 per segment, so "short segments" are now $40 instead of $35, which is still pretty good. but what I really like about FL is that unlike other carriers, you can upgrade whether you bought the Full Y-Fare or the Super-Saver fare.
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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:15 pm

One big change that many people appreciate since 9/11 is that first class fares are far more affordable than they use to be. Many airlines have discounted first class fares now. Yes they are more expensive than economy, but they are getting reasonable and are only between 1.5 and 3 times the price of economy on many routes. All the legacy carriers are doing this to some degree. You should be able to get between any two cities in the lower 48 states in first class for under $1000, which was something that was unheard of 10 years ago.

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 2):
US claims to have a cheap(they use affordable) FC seat on their website

I booked a roundtrip first class ticket for $900 and thought that it was fairly reasonable since it was only a $300 premium over economy.
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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:40 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
I booked a roundtrip first class ticket for $900 and thought that it was fairly reasonable since it was only a $300 premium over economy.

I needed a late-notice ticket from SoCal to MCO in May to visit my ailing father. At the time a Y ticket was selling for $575 and an F ticket was selling for $820. Went with the F on CO and it was well worth it. It was the first time I ever flew CO and I haven't returned to DL since.
 
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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:45 pm

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 1):
One of the best deals is Airtran...they offer 1st Class for a modest premium.

AirTran offers Business Class, not First Class.

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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:45 pm

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 1):
One of the best deals is Airtran...they offer 1st Class for a modest premium.

Because it's not even a real first class. It's pre-boarding, with a slightly larger seat, and a free drink.

I've found outstanding deals on DL recently. Flying JFK-LAS-JFK for a weekend next month for under $800 in F.
 
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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:55 pm

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 8):
AirTran offers Business Class, not First Class.

AAndrew

Technically yes, but on the short segments, it really isn't all that different from legacy first class. I've only flown AirTran Biz Class once and that was ATL-MCO, so I can't say how different it is from legacy carriers on longer segments. My  twocents 
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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:01 pm

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 9):
Because it's not even a real first class. It's pre-boarding, with a slightly larger seat, and a free drink.

I've found outstanding deals on DL recently. Flying JFK-LAS-JFK for a weekend next month for under $800 in F.

Did you just describe ALL domestic First Class?

But, actually Airtran has the widest seat of ANY domestic First Class, and comparable pitch (same as DL).

Please see: http://www.seatguru.com/charts/domestic_first_class.php

Pre-boarding ...yes, same as every other airline.

Free drink ...yes, same as every other airline depending on distance.

...and it's $638 NY-LAS.

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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:03 pm

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 11):
Did you just describe ALL domestic First Class?

Short haul, FL's product is a good thing. But the last time I was in F class on DL from ATL-LAX, I was on a 777 and was fed a full meal. I don't think FL does that.
 
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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:07 pm

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 12):
I don't think FL does that.

Because they don't fly those distance non-stop  Wink

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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:27 pm

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 13):
Because they don't fly those distance non-stop  Wink

But they do fly ATL-SFO, which is almost just as far.... Wink
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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:18 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
But they do fly ATL-SFO, which is almost just as far...

Ok, you win, so you don't get a meal...probably not top of your list on First Class requirements anyway...not mine...seat/legroom on a long trip (or short come to think of it), and the price is always a fixed amount higher than coach...very reasonable.

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 4):
US can upgrade you at the gate for a reasonable amount. They offered it for 200.00 for a LAX-PIT leg and only 50.00 for PIT-BOS. Not Bad.



Quoting Walter747 (Reply 2):
US claims to have a cheap(they use affordable) FC seat on their website

Yes, although the thing to remember about these "First up", or whatever they call them, is that they are only available after all the upgrades have been processed. On the busier routes, this means First Class is always full anyway, so the cheap upgrade is not available. I fly US every week, and this is rarely offered, in fact I often don't get my Medallion upgrade on my DCA-TPA leg.

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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:41 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
AS is usually pretty reasonable and where UA competes with them, offers similar prices. The advantage with AS is they are true "F" fares so unrestricted and refundable. UA's are usually "Q-UP" so they're Economy fares that book into First Class (A fare basis) but incur fees for changes and are non-refundable

Anybody knows how many of these first-class fares that are actually "real" F-fares and how many that are just Y-like fares where you're seated in First Class? Does AS only offer "real" F fares? Are other airlines also only offering one F fare for travelling in First Class?

Sadly, the trend of restricted yet discounted premium tickets has yet to come to most places in Europe...

Btw, AirIndia offers a very cheap (real) F-fare on a small leg AMD-BOM (550 kms) that I'm definitely gonna try in December.. Just under USD 100 for flat-bed etc... Okay, overkill for an hours flight, but still.... then that'll be off the list off things to try..!

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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 16):
Anybody knows how many of these first-class fares that are actually "real" F-fares and how many that are just Y-like fares where you're seated in First Class?

AS offers only "real" First Class fares (F fare basis and F booking code). The differentiation is they offer a discount if you book 7 days or more in advance.

UA offers "real" First Class fares and a plethora of "pseudo" First Class fares. UA offers "P" fares which are a Y fare basis and a P booking code. These fares are refundable and changeable. They also offer multiple types of "Q-UP" and "M-UP" fares. Note I made a mistake in my post above - they have an M or Q fare basis and an A booking code. Fares that do not end in an "N" are changeable and (sometimes) refundable. If they do end in an N, then they are not refundable and incur a $100 fee for each change.

As I only fly AS and UA, they are the two I am familiar with. But I know they other majors (CO, NW, DL, AA) have similar fares.
 
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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:39 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
UA offers "real" First Class fares and a plethora of "pseudo" First Class fares. UA offers "P" fares which are a Y fare basis and a P booking code. These fares are refundable and changeable

Wouldn't this in practice be the same as an F-fare? Or do the P fares have advance booking req?

Do you know if the "real" F-fares are all also IATA fares; that is interchangeable on an any IATA airline on the given route?

Thanks for the info btw!

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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:29 am

Such discounted 1st/Biz seats should be of great help to and be used by 'persons of size'. Don't forget too that many businesses have contracts with specific airlines as their 'preferred' airline and volume discounts for their overall business of a certain monthly or annual goal or contracted discount pricing per seat/flight.
 
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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:04 am

In terms of cheap First Class tickets try this:
http://www.farecompare.com/search/yupfares?departure=JFK

Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
AS offers only "real" First Class fares (F fare basis and F booking code). The differentiation is they offer a discount if you book 7 days or more in advance.

Although AA codeshares on AS book into 'A'. This was part of a BOS-SEA itinerary. Which is a royal pain in the backside because I creditted the flights to BA Exec Club and 'A' is used by AS for their redemption bookings in First...So they ended up posting to me BA account as ineligible flights. In the end I sent in my AA itinerary with price quote at the bottom and managed to get the miles  Smile
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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 15):
Ok, you win, so you don't get a meal...probably not top of your list on First Class requirements anyway...not mine...seat/legroom on a long trip (or short come to think of it), and the price is always a fixed amount higher than coach...very reasonable.

I think food is an important perk. Yes you can bring on board food or often buy a prepackaged meal on board or get served a ridiculously small portion on Continental, but a heated meal makes a difference. It is a lot nicer to eat something with your free drinks.

But you are correct that a big seat is probably the biggest deciding factor for first class.
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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:42 am

DL is really cheap; i flew BOS-ATL-BOS for $602.

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RE: Cheap First Class Seats?

Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 21):
I think food is an important perk. Yes you can bring on board food or often buy a prepackaged meal on board or get served a ridiculously small portion on Continental, but a heated meal makes a difference. It is a lot nicer to eat something with your free drinks.

I agree, especially if (a) the flight is of non-trivial duration or (b) you have to go to the airport immediately after work and you don't have time to either eat beforehand or get a decent meal to go. Yes, wrapped to-go sandwiches are OK but, last time I flew domestic F on AA, I definitely appreciated the hot meal, ice cream, warm cookies, and pre-landing chocolate...

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