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For All My Airline Rampers Out There...

Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:48 pm

If you're working a narrow-body, or even a wide-body (in the manual pit / bulk pit / whatever you call it) loading bags, what is your favorite type of bag to load? I love the suitcases with the four-wheels that spin and roll in all directions. They're the easiest to load when you have to stack in the very back of the pit, the part where the belly goes up, and you slide down because you can't stay up there and load at the same time!! That's irritating, not fun or funny, actually... I just thought I'd ask (and maybe for some of you who are looking to buy new luggage, I'd thought I'd give you tips on what to buy to make ME happy...when you're flying United, that is)
Have a good night all.
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Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:21 pm

I ramp for Delta Connection at MCO so all I mainly work on are CRJ 200s and ERJ-135/145s. Anyway, my favorite type of bag are just normal roller bags with two wheels on the bottom. They are the easiest to stack if I get all the roller bags first. I can create some pretty tight stacks of bags when they're all around the same shape. I hate those ones with the four wheels you mention because they slide around in the stack and when loading them on a beltloader, I have to make sure they're placed upside down going up the belt otherwise they ALWAYS slide off. What a pain. My choice of bag:



Something like that.

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Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:31 pm

Quoting United777atGU (Thread starter):
I love the suitcases with the four-wheels that spin and roll in all directions.

Those were horrible, especially the plastic hardshell varities. I didn't even see the value/ease to the passenger. My other hated bags were the ones who would come in from Asia (Japan mostly) via LAX and they were the old style hard-shelled with the single handle on top. They were a pain in the ass to both upload and download, couldn't have been very much fun to carry around as a passenger, and well, just plain suck. One of my mental mottos on the ramp was "a passenger's bag will be treated with the same care it was packed with," meaning, if you throw your shit in an insufficient container, it was gonna get treated like shit. Overfill it, make it too heavy for it's size, and it will get messed up.

My favorite was the midsize rollers, in good condition, with handles on the top and side - ideal weight would be about 30 lbs (too light is actually dangerous for the goods inside as well would catch rampers off guard). And if there's a broken pull handle on it, please leave the bag at home. I still have a scar on my right arm from where a broken pull handle was sticking out of the bag and caught my arm. Like I said, you show us that you care about the contents inside, and we will show you the care back.
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Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:34 pm

Zero Halliburton was my favorite when I was a ramp rat.
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:40 pm

This is my favorite type...


 
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Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:44 pm

Favorite type of bag?? Why don't I list the most hated bags. I think that would be easier for rampers to talk about.

Bags I absolutely hate...

-The trapezoidal roller bags. I'm supposed to incorporate those into a stack?? W T F ?!

-Bags large enough to literally fit a toddler inside. Especially the big roller bags...that when standing up, go above my waist. And I'm 6ft tall!! Geeez...

-The plastic hard-shell bags. Most of them have a clip that holds the bag shut. This clip is underneath the handle. I've had that clip pop open a few times. Ouch #1 comes from your fingers being pinched between this clip and the handle. Ouch #2, followed by a loud expletive, comes from that bag nearly pulling your arm off as your hand goes with the bag (because it's now caught in the handle) when you stack/unstack/when it slides off the stack because it's too slick to stay put! To avoid that you try to lift the bag without using the handle, but that slick outer shell makes the bag very slick when trying to handle it with gloves. These things should be banned...ugh.

-Bags packed with liquid. The weight of the bag/center of gravity shifting as you handle it is no fun to deal with.

-Large duffel bags that have absolutely no solid form and weigh 50-100 pounds. The weight on both sides just rolls right over your body as you try to lift the bag. Pain in the ass!!

-Last, but definitely not least...those damn roller bags that have Velcro under the handle!! Why on earth, would the designers of the bags, place Velcro under the handle allowing the handle to stick firmly to the side of the bag?!? WTF? What could possible be so practical about that?!?! It's quite annoying to try and grab a bag (using gloves) by the handle, and not be able to because the handle is secured to the side of the bag!

-Bags that have the large hook for hanging it up in a closet. Not a pleasant surprise when that hook catches you, and/or your clothing while you handle it. RIIIIIIIIIIIP...

Ok that was fun. Now that I got that out of my system...
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Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:19 pm

The worst are the hardshell semi-rounded ones and the trapezoidal bags.

I also despise the newer ones that have velcro under the handle (please tell me a useful reason for this!).

Easiest are the smaller duffels and the small rollaboard style.

Then again, there's the ever-rare empty luggage  Smile
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:02 pm

Most hated bag? The next one up the belt...grin!

Second most hated? The one you pull for security buried all the way at the pit wall.

[Edited 2006-11-07 13:04:01]
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:11 pm

My most hated bag is the Saigon/Manila special.

 
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Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:05 am

I don't find the four wheel suitcases bad at all actually. Any bag that goes on a belt loader--except for the ones with several straps--moves up the belt with ease. When you're in the pit of a 757 however, how are you going to get that bag from the door to where you are without having to move and pick it up? If it has four wheels, it can be pushed to you! I love that. I stack them pretty well, those four-wheeled suitcases. Hard shells can be a pain, but I never really had a problem with bags not stacking well. For me it's getting the bags to me...and the weight of the bag, of course, but that's an entirely different story...one that riles us all, I know...  Angry  gnasher 
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Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:18 am

I have to agree with Silver1SWA, those trapezodial shaped bags are the worse. I usually end up just throwing those over my stack if possible, as there is almost now way to incorporate them into a stack. Also I hate when people bring large moving type boxes. They usually are flimsy and cannot support anything on top of them, yet they take up a ton of room. Other than that, I like most bags. Duffle bags are nice in corners and on the top row. Hard shells can be a pain, but if you have a good base, it's nothing to difficult.
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RE: For All My Airline Rampers Out There...

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 5):
-The trapezoidal roller bags. I'm supposed to incorporate those into a stack?? W T F ?!



Quoting R311music (Reply 10):
those trapezodial shaped bags are the worse

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Who ever designed those bags deserves to be hit upside the head with one of them, assuming you can lift it that high conisdering those bags usually weigh 70 pounds or more...

My personal favorite is the hard-bottomed duffel bags with rollers on one side. I don't know why, but when I get a bunch of these bags along with the typical roller bags, everything just looks all purdy-like and stable when I'm done... Big grin
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Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:04 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 6):
Then again, there's the ever-rare empty luggage

he he I've sent one of those once, a large Samsonite with absolutely nothing in in...always hoped I was getting stopped in customs so I could say "Nothing" when they asked me what was is it  Wink


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Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:57 am

i used to work for swissport at ORD. when we would do the mexicanas, i liked loading/unloading all the bags that have a defined shape and that were easy to handle and grip.
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Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:22 am

I'd just like to add to all the ramp workers.... I would like to say thank you to all of you for the job that you do! I have never had my luggage lost or damaged and I feel that all of you are the first step in this.

I think ramp workers are underappreciated and are some unsung hero's in the industry.

So again I say thank you


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Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:00 pm

My favorite was always the ladies little makeup/cosmetic thing with locks that simply didn't. You pull on it and the contents fly from one end to the other. The good part was they got lighter to more they were handled. On the opposite end is any anything that weight more than me. Or is from India, same thing.
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Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:03 pm

How about those bags that have straps connecting the zippers? When loading bags, boy those suuuure look like regular handles. But don't put any force on them because those zippers come tearing off in a hurry.
 
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Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:31 pm

My lest Favorite type of bag......
Any heavy bag. These people should be forced to take Greyhound!!!. How about the big suitcases that people use when they go overseas. Oh my sore back and arms.
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Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:02 am

Golf clubs! I HATE Golf Clubs. You can't do ANYTHING with them until pretty much everything ele is loaded on most planes.

Thankfully, I don't have to worry about that at this point in my life.  Smile
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Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:08 pm

I hate the ones with the tags on them that say "Heavy". Why the hell are people packing everything they own into a suitcase to go from LAS to LGB?
 
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Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:18 pm

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 2):
Those were horrible, especially the plastic hardshell varities. I didn't even see the value/ease to the passenger. My other hated bags were the ones who would come in from Asia (Japan mostly) via LAX and they were the old style hard-shelled with the single handle on top. They were a pain in the ass to both upload and download, couldn't have been very much fun to carry around as a passenger, and well, just plain suck. One of my mental mottos on the ramp was "a passenger's bag will be treated with the same care it was packed with," meaning, if you throw your shit in an insufficient container, it was gonna get treated like shit. Overfill it, make it too heavy for it's size, and it will get messed up.

My favorite was the midsize rollers, in good condition, with handles on the top and side - ideal weight would be about 30 lbs (too light is actually dangerous for the goods inside as well would catch rampers off guard). And if there's a broken pull handle on it, please leave the bag at home. I still have a scar on my right arm from where a broken pull handle was sticking out of the bag and caught my arm. Like I said, you show us that you care about the contents inside, and we will show you the care back.

Well said, I'll keep that in mind if I ever get back on the ramp.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 5):
Bags I absolutely hate...

-The trapezoidal roller bags. I'm supposed to incorporate those into a stack?? W T F ?!

-Bags large enough to literally fit a toddler inside. Especially the big roller bags...that when standing up, go above my waist. And I'm 6ft tall!! Geeez...

-The plastic hard-shell bags. Most of them have a clip that holds the bag shut. This clip is underneath the handle. I've had that clip pop open a few times. Ouch #1 comes from your fingers being pinched between this clip and the handle. Ouch #2, followed by a loud expletive, comes from that bag nearly pulling your arm off as your hand goes with the bag (because it's now caught in the handle) when you stack/unstack/when it slides off the stack because it's too slick to stay put! To avoid that you try to lift the bag without using the handle, but that slick outer shell makes the bag very slick when trying to handle it with gloves. These things should be banned...ugh.

-Bags packed with liquid. The weight of the bag/center of gravity shifting as you handle it is no fun to deal with.

-Large duffel bags that have absolutely no solid form and weigh 50-100 pounds. The weight on both sides just rolls right over your body as you try to lift the bag. Pain in the ass!!

-Last, but definitely not least...those damn roller bags that have Velcro under the handle!! Why on earth, would the designers of the bags, place Velcro under the handle allowing the handle to stick firmly to the side of the bag?!? WTF? What could possible be so practical about that?!?! It's quite annoying to try and grab a bag (using gloves) by the handle, and not be able to because the handle is secured to the side of the bag!

-Bags that have the large hook for hanging it up in a closet. Not a pleasant surprise when that hook catches you, and/or your clothing while you handle it. RIIIIIIIIIIIP...

I couldn't agree more. I'd say the broken handles were my least favorite, although oversized or overpacked bags were a close second. Work any JFK flight and you'll understand what I mean.
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RE: For All My Airline Rampers Out There...

Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:31 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 5):
The trapezoidal roller bags. I'm supposed to incorporate those into a stack?? W T F ?!



Quoting R311music (Reply 10):
Also I hate when people bring large moving type boxes. They usually are flimsy and cannot support anything on top of them, yet they take up a ton of room.



Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 18):
Golf clubs! I HATE Golf Clubs.

   AMEN!

I remember my stack was looking oh so beautiful and then one of those stupid trapezoid bags came up the belt    GRRRH! haha.

And heavy moving boxes......you can't really do anything with them especially if you're in an MD-80 or smaller pit a/c.

And golf clubs....especially when they didn't have a cover on them. What the heck.

I'll add some more:

Water coolers. We had enough fish to deal with at AS then we get people taking ice chests full of their morning catch back home with them.

Fishing Poles. Especially popular on flights going to Cabo San Lucas.

Surfboards. Really fragile, and not much room for them to go.

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 7):
Second most hated? The one you pull for security buried all the way at the pit wall.

   for sure.

"Ramp, we're looking for a bag, last name XXXX."
"Okay, can we have a description of the bag?"
"uhh sure, okay, it's a black 22."

   great.

And it ends up being a blue duffle bag....grrrh...haha.

great post!

Dave

[Edited 2006-11-09 20:31:52]
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:19 am

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 21):
"uhh sure, okay, it's a black 22."

 banghead  great.

As anyone who've ever spent time in Baggage Claim knows... EVERY bag is a black 22.
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:37 am

OT - just a question for the ramp guys who load 757's - do they all have the telescopic loading system in the Fwd Hold, for compartment 2 (incorporating 3 bays)?
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:43 am

One time while working the bottom of the belt loader. I looked up to see a KAYAK coming down......somebody actually checked a KAYAK at the ticket counter! I actually took it out into the baggage claim area myself to meet the pax, and she was shocked that it arrived unscathed.
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:55 am

The bags I hate are those ridiculously oversized bags, either duffel or suitcase that you can dang near put every item you own it them. I'm not sure of the size but the really huge bags. Also hard shell suitcase..please, they suck when stacking and can be slippery to pick up if handles are broke. Since I'm on the case of hard shell, please do not over pack those as they have a tendency to bust open if accidental dropped, especially those cheaper ones that clamp shut.

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 22):
EVERY bag is a black 22.

YES they are! Everytime a gate agent asks about a bag and jokingly ask if it is a black 22" with wheels and a handle....and 85% of the time they are. GRRR..please people buy more of the non-black or blue bags. Big grin  Smile
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:09 am

As much as I've noticed people complaining about those trapezoidal bags, they can come in use... I haven't baggage handled (we got rid of our contracts to do that stuff) in about 2 years. Stack them against the wall standing upright with the angle out/up then lay your first layer of bags across the floor. If you get a 2nd one, stack your next layer then drop that one upside down to make a rather large rectangle on top of your first. We used to actually grab those aside while loading carts so we could do that when we went to load the bags.
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:39 am

I work for co and f9 at pdx and the bags i absolutly hate are these plastic bags that go to guatamala city that weigh 70 pounds and they don't slide on the pit floor at all. I like regular square bags that are easy to stack. I hate anything odd shaped then it messes up my stack.

Quoting Avion346 (Reply 24):
One time while working the bottom of the belt loader. I looked up to see a KAYAK coming down......somebody actually checked a KAYAK at the ticket counter! I actually took it out into the baggage claim area myself to meet the pax, and she was shocked that it arrived unscathed.

We got a kayak and the paddles on a 738. It almost didn't fit in the oversize bin.

I absolutly hate it when bags have NO HANDLES cause you can't throw it.

Oh btw. I work on 738, 739, 73g, 733 sometimes, 752, 753, 319, and 318.
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 17):
My lest Favorite type of bag......
Any heavy bag. These people should be forced to take Greyhound!!!. How about the big suitcases that people use when they go overseas. Oh my sore back and arms.

Oh yes. Those that travel to South America and Mexico pack everything. One guy tried to check in a friggin car engine once. WTF???? The Phillipines flights are bad too.
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:20 am

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 28):
One guy tried to check in a friggin car engine once. WTF????

My friend at express jet once dealt with a captain who was comailing himself a 160hp lycoming engine for the plane the guy was building. That's the easiest way around overwieght items if you know they'll make the flight.
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:28 am

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 29):
Quoting F9Animal (Reply 28):
One guy tried to check in a friggin car engine once. WTF????

My friend at express jet once dealt with a captain who was comailing himself a 160hp lycoming engine for the plane the guy was building. That's the easiest way around overwieght items if you know they'll make the flight.

I remember back in the day with Wien... it was ok to check up to a 55 horsepower outboard as baggage... (intra Alaska only)...
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RE: For All My Airline Rampers Out There...

Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:58 am

ANY bag going to India, Jamaica, and New Foundland, I swear people pack family members in there cases, Oh and the best a heavy bag without a heavy sticker!!!!

I HATE ALL BAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:00 pm

Wow these posts show that I'm not alone in the world of Bag Hating...

As a humble Horizon ramper, I've spent 3 years honing my skills of hating baggage and the people that pack them.

1. The hard-shell, 70s-style luggage that's slight rounded, just enough that it slips off of everything.
2. Anything going to Asia. Take a cardboard moving box, roll it around so it loses any sense of rigidity, pack more weight than is structurally sound, then wrap it in 200 yards of twine. Or shrink-wrap the damn thing
3. Those bags that are tiny but weigh 100 pounds, so you rip your spine in half with the sudden burden when you think it's light. Or, conversely, the huge, empty suitcases. You mentally get geared up to pick up a ton of weight, then wind up throwing it into the roof of the pit when it weighs 2 ozs, with a bonus shoulder dislocation.
4. Those piece-of-crap upright shopping bags with the folding combo wheel/hook thingy on the bottom. No, no, no...
5. Leaking fish-boxes. Nothing adds to the aromatic blend of sweat and jet exhaust better than rotten fish juice
6. Golf bags. I loved the game until having to load the PDX-OTH flights all the time.
7. I love the "Ghetto Bags"...no commercial suitcases for these high-class pax. Just dump your shit in a trash bag, tie it off, slap on a bag tag, and you're golden!
8. Rollers where the handles are stuck in the extended position. Nothing screws up a great stack more than a 55 inch 22....
9. Any bag belonging to anyone who wants to get off. It is a certainty that any pulled bag is the first one on the plane. NEVER fails.
10. A rule I've found out...the "Vibrating Bag" never, ever belongs to the hot chick you hope it does. It's always the one for the Hefer in row 9 with a gleam in her eye...leaving quite a sordid mental picture for the rest of the shift.
11. It's always fun, when stacking a bag, you hear a muted "crack", followed immediately by the aroma of cheap perfume...
12. The WORST thing to ever happen to rampers around the world...wheels on suitcases. Now people don't have to carry or lift what they pack.

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