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Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:23 am

Just wondering. I noticed American Airlines seems to have the largest fleet of aircraft ( about 600). It seems the next is Fed Ex(about 500). United is close. What other airlines are in this mix? Just a wonder. The amount of bucks in these fleets.
 
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:45 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...est_airlines#By_Fleet_Size_in_2006

Topping the list
American
Fed Ex
Air France-KLM
Southwest
United

and on and on.
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:34 am

Keep in mind that web site is by no means accurite or fact based. It is only an open board where anyone can say what ever they want... Southwest's own web site show only 468 planes in service..... not 477

[Edited 2006-11-12 03:35:24]
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:47 am

Ya, but it is a convenient web site to cite and was first in a Google search. Hey, Google spat it out so it must be right...right?  Wink

Anyway, now according to http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-largest-airlines

it runs...
American
Fed Ex
UPS
Delta
United


So I guess we can agree AA is #1 with Fed Ex #2 and United #5. Third and 4th place are up for grabs.
Funny how something so simple can be so hard to be consistent about on different web sites.
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:55 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 3):
Anyway, now according to

That's Pax Carried... he's talking fleet size....
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:57 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 4):
That's Pax Carried... he's talking fleet size....

FedEx and UPS carry passengers?  Wink

No, further down the list it shows By Fleet Size, 2006.
 
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:01 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 4):
That's Pax Carried...

No, that second list I posted is also fleet size. I doubt Fed Ex and UPS would be in the top 5 of pax carried airlines. Unless packing people into containers for long hauls is the future of air travel.

"For your safety" mandated by the TSA "all pax will now be containerized for air travel."
Thankyou for your compliance.

lol.
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:56 pm

So which airline is the biggest in Europe and Middle East respectively?
 
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:46 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2):
Keep in mind that web site is by no means accurite or fact based. It is only an open board where anyone can say what ever they want... Southwest's own web site show only 468 planes in service..... not 477

Take a hike. I hate it when bozos say that. Many Wikipedia articles use reputable sources and list references, so to make such a blanket statement shows a lack of perspective.
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:27 pm

yet mos of their destinations are served by eagle!! go figue!
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:05 pm

Quoting Gnieob797 (Thread starter):
Just wondering. I noticed American Airlines seems to have the largest fleet of aircraft ( about 600).

And half of those are MD-80s. This is why I think the Mad Dogs will be around for awhile, maybe another decade.
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:29 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 10):
And half of those are MD-80s



they only use them from hub to hubs routes too.
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:16 pm

Quoting Khobar (Reply 5):
FedEx and UPS carry passengers?

Yea. It's cheaper to mail myself on UPS out of GSO to whereever I have to go than it is to buy a ticket.  Wink
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:37 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 10):
they only use them from hub to hubs routes too.

They don't use them "JUST" for hub to hub routes...
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:05 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 12):
Yea. It's cheaper to mail myself on UPS out of GSO to whereever I have to go than it is to buy a ticket.

haha got that right. $1500 to get out of PVD.
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:16 pm

One thing. Are you taking into account the feeder airlines most US carriers use as well.

How about just mainline aircraft
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:20 pm

I thought it was
AA
UA
NW
DL
CO
 
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:00 pm

During the Soviet era Aeroflot may have been the largest as (I think) every soviet aircraft was registered under the name. How big are they today?
 
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:05 pm

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 6):
"For your safety" mandated by the TSA "all pax will now be containerized for air travel."
Thankyou for your compliance.

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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:11 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 8):
Take a hike. I hate it when bozos say that

You need to chill. Right now I can get on that site and alter any or all that information. It is not controlled, it is not secure. Wikipedia is only an open bulletin board where anyone with a computer can place information that they deam to be true and factual. It is not checked...... it is not edited.

[Edited 2006-11-12 13:19:38]
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:54 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 19):
You need to chill. Right now I can get on that site and alter any or all that information. It is not controlled, it is not secure. Wikipedia is only an open bulletin board where anyone with a computer can place information that they deam to be true and factual. It is not checked...... it is not edited.

But 99 times out of 100, it is extremely accurate, and informative.

Sure anybody can alter the information, but who is going to be sad enough to go onto all of these pages and write crap? The fact that anybody can edit it, just means that it is more up to date than a standard encyclopedia.
 
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting DavidT (Reply 17):
During the Soviet era Aeroflot may have been the largest as (I think) every soviet aircraft was registered under the name. How big are they today?

According to the Aeroflot website the airline has a fleet of 79 aircraft. (Excluding Aeroflot-Don/Aeroflot-Nord)
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:33 am

Fedex Fleet from there web site is

Total Aircraft: 643 worldwide

31 MD11s (30 on order)
36 A300
44 A310
73 McDonnell Douglas DC 10-10s (9 on order)
22 McDonnell Douglas DC 10-30s
152 Boeing 727s
261 Cessna 308s
32 Fokker F-27s
11 Shorts SD3-60
0 Ayers LM 200 (75 on order)

Interesting cessna 308's is the aeroplane they have most of followed by the great old 727's.


American Airlines fleet from there web site

American Airlines
Boeing 777 45
Airbus 300-605R
Boeing 767-323ER
Boeing 767-223ER
Boeing 757-223
Boeing 737-800
MD -80 310

Total 683
 
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2):
Keep in mind that web site is by no means accurite or fact based

Not true at all. They list references and where they get it information.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 8):
. Many Wikipedia articles use reputable sources and list references, so to make such a blanket statement shows a lack of perspective

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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 19):
It is not controlled

Not true, there is a system where it weeds out non-factual information.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 19):
Wikipedia is only an open bulletin board where anyone with a computer can place information

This is very true, heck I even do it sometimes, but in order for something posted to Wikipedia to stay on there, it must be varified as true. That site is very usefull when doing light research when you just need to find a quick fact.

Wikipedia has its' down falls, as do all sites, but it is very factual.
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:00 am

Quoting 747727 (Reply 22):
261 Cessna 308s

I have never heard of the Cessna 308... I think that is supposed to be the Cessna 208 opperated by the feeder lines for FX.

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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:23 am

How about a seperate list of airline (stand alone all inhouse operated) and another with feeders included (AA should stay on top still AE has over 275 A/C)
 
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting 747727 (Reply 22):
73 McDonnell Douglas DC 10-10s (9 on order)

You can't speak about "on order" for a DC-10....can't you?

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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:58 am

Quoting DavidT (Reply 17):
During the Soviet era Aeroflot may have been the largest as (I think) every soviet aircraft was registered under the name. How big are they today?

All civilian aircraft (and some military) were indeed in Aeroflot colours. I did a rough calculation a while ago. Can't find the calculation right away, but from the top of my head, I discovered that at some point their fleet size was over 20'000 aircraft (yes, twenty thousand), including everything from An-2's to Il-86's.

Right now I think they have a bit over 100 aircraft.

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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:07 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 4):
That's Pax Carried... he's talking fleet size....



Quoting Khobar (Reply 5):
FedEx and UPS carry passengers?

You get your own private sky box.

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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:35 am

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 20):
Sure anybody can alter the information, but who is going to be sad enough to go onto all of these pages and write crap?

The same type of people - there are thousands - who are sad enough to write computer viruses, worms, trojans, etc.

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 23):
Not true, there is a system where it weeds out non-factual information.

Which works well most of the time, I truly agree. But I think the original point made by EMBQA is that you have to process the information with a grain of salt, remaining fully aware that at any time somebody can vandalize the site and get away with it, or post an inaccurate fact with good intentions, or that the information may not be completely current.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 8):
Take a hike. I hate it when bozos say that.

Classy.
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2):
Keep in mind that web site is by no means accurite or fact based. It is only an open board where anyone can say what ever they want... Southwest's own web site show only 468 planes in service..... not 477

Think I remember reading that OPLNguy says he keeps the WN Wikipedia page updated, and if that is the case I would bet it is 100% accurate with regards to WN.
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:43 am

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 28):
You get your own private sky box.

And door-to-door service. Beat that legacy carriers!

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 11):
they only use them from hub to hubs routes too.

Um, I know ATL, DAY, CLT, DEN, COS, SLC, TPA, JAX, SAT, BNA, MCO and scores of other cities that see MD-80's aren't AA hubs, And until recently, GSO saw MD-80's from AA as well, and that's just off the top of my head where I've been(Now I believe just UA and DL have mainline service)
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:08 am

I didn't realize Fedex still had those Ayres Loadmasters on order. I was under the impression that Ayres had gone out of business.
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:25 am

Hi folks. I am just counting the main carrier, not feeders. I get most of my data from a site call 'CH-Aviation'. They have fleet and type lists. Not sure how up to date they are. Thanks for the info. It seems the data varies by info obtained.
 
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting 747727 (Reply 22):
0 Ayers LM 200 (75 on order)



Is this really it? Ewww. . . where are they from?
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2):
Southwest's own web site show only 468 planes in service..... not 477

The Southwest website is often out-of-date by several months. 477 is the proper fleet size, last I checked.
 
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 26):
You can't speak about "on order" for a DC-10....can't you?

FX can order used DC-10s, which is the case here.
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:56 am

I too was under the impression Ayres went out business. I htink they may be including it just becuase they still have the deposit down or somethign but the plane AFAIK was never actually built, just completely conceptual. The aircraft seemed to be such a perfect fit for FedEx so they are still holding out hope.
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:59 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 11):
they only use them from hub to hubs routes too.

What?

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 19):
It is not checked...... it is not edited.

That is ABSOLUTELY wrong. It is both checked and edited and there is a very, very good system in place for the catching and deletion of incorrect or fabricated data.

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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:01 am

I think a better way to measure is by number of seats. That would give a better guide.
 
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:44 am

It's a bit disingenuous for the rankings to include FedEx and UPS, as it counts their commuter affiliate fleets (Cessna Caravans and such) as part of the totals. That's a bit like including Comair's fleet as part of Delta.

I remember having a copy of JP Airline Fleets back in the 1970s. Aeroflot's roster was roughly the size of every major U.S. airline's list *combined.* And then some.

Not far behind Aeroflot was CAAC, the former Chinese state carrier.

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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:00 am

Quoting Aviateur (Reply 40):
t's a bit disingenuous for the rankings to include FedEx and UPS, as it counts their commuter affiliate fleets (Cessna Caravans and such) as part of the totals. That's a bit like including Comair's fleet as part of Delta.

Why? If Delta owns Comair and more specifically its fleet, why shouldn't it count? Look at AMR/American Eagle.
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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:44 am

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 7):
So which airline is the biggest in Europe and Middle East respectively?

Surely AF/KLM for Europe, Saudi bigger than Emirates? Definately the biggest two in the Middle East, in number of aircraft.

EDIT: Yes 106 aircraft, according to aifleets.net, for Saudia, 93 for EK. EK includes Skycarogo, and airfleets still shows 3 A310...Can someone confirm there be 3 A310 still in service with EK?

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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:00 am

Quoting Lazyshaun (Reply 42):
Can someone confirm there be 3 A310 still in service with EK?

The latest photo on here is from September.

Their web site still shows them active.

http://www.skycargo.com/aboutus/ourf...eet/fleetinfo/fleet.asp?lnid=14277

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RE: Biggest (by Aircraft) Airline.

Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 11):
they only use them from hub to hubs routes too.

"Only"???? Not exactly... I'm flying to Tucson in Dec on an MD-80, which is certainly not an AA hub.
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