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Which Airline Has The Most Expensive Fleet

Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:24 am

I know American has the largest, but what airlines fleet has has the highest value.
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RE: Which Airline Has The Most Expensive Fleet

Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:30 am

That must be almost impossible to calculate. You would have to know the residual value of each aircraft, this would depend on, not only, the age of each frame but the amount of hours and cycles.

AA have a mix of old a/c (MD-80's) and some brand new 738s and 777s

If I had to guess I would say SQ or EK
 
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RE: Which Airline Has The Most Expensive Fleet

Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:43 am

I would guess EK. All of those MD80s aren't worth much for AA. Emirates has a large fleet of almost brand new widebodies and a ton of A380s on the way. SQ and CX also have expensive and new fleets.

But in reality, it is probably AF-KLM as they are one of the largest airlines in the world and have a lot of relatively new long haul airplanes.
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RE: Which Airline Has The Most Expensive Fleet

Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:13 pm

How about some of the LCC's? Jet Blue, Southwest, Ryanair, Alaska (not a LCC), etc, they all have young airplanes. I don't imagine they come cheap. I imagine United and Continental would be up there as well. Don't they have a young and expansive fleet as well? And even the older airplanes such the 757 are highly sought after if I'm correct.
 
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RE: Which Airline Has The Most Expensive Fleet

Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:53 am

Depends if you are asking which airline owns the most expensive fleet, or which operates the most expensive. The fundamental difference is that many airlines order new aircraft from A or B, and then sell them to a finance company on taking delivery. In addition many aircraft are ordered by leasing companys like ILFC and then leased to the airlines.

In specific reply to the question, its got to be an airline with a large fleet of 777's A340's or A330's as these have been the big sellers at the high end of the market in recent years. Most 747's are getting fairly well written down now due to their advancing years.
 
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RE: Which Airline Has The Most Expensive Fleet

Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting XXXX10 (Reply 1):
If I had to guess I would say SQ or EK

EK's fleet is now quite a bit larger than SQ's in terms of units. However, SQ still have 24 passenger plus 10 cargo B747-400s. Still these fleets are quite small compared to those of AA, DL, or UA. UA's fleet is not so very old (except for the rope-start B737s). If I had to guess, I would say UA.
 
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RE: Which Airline Has The Most Expensive Fleet

Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:23 am

Quoting Idlewild (Reply 3):
Alaska (not a LCC),

And not a large fleet at all. Not to mention that they have a bunch of minimum 10 year old MD-80s and older 734s.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5):
(except for the rope-start B737s).

Rope start? United flies some of the newest 737 Classics in the sky.

More than half of Southwest's nearly 500 airplanes are 73Gs, and the fleet is almost entirely owned by the airline.
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RE: Which Airline Has The Most Expensive Fleet

Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
United flies some of the newest 737 Classics in the sky.

They still have low resale value compared the rest of the UA fleet. Now that the B767-200s are gone, the rope-start B737s are the next to be retired. I've forgotten when A319/A320 deliveries to UA are set to resume -- 2008?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
the fleet is almost entirely owned by the airline.

Who owns it has no effect on the value.

UA, by the way, own very little of their fleet. I still think it's probably the most valuable fleet.
 
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RE: Which Airline Has The Most Expensive Fleet

Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:08 am

Either EK, QR, or Etihad. I'm sure AF/KL is up there.

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RE: Which Airline Has The Most Expensive Fleet

Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:11 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7):
They still have low resale value compared the rest of the UA fleet.

Not particularly. Those aircraft are in high demand by second tier carriers and for cargo conversion.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7):
the rope-start B737s are the next to be retired.

Will you quit with this rope start junk? As it is, United has a dearth of domestic capacity that needs to be bolstered. Unless they plan on gutting a domestic network that is already overreliant on substandard regional service, they need to keep those 737s, which again are rather new, flying.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7):
Who owns it has no effect on the value.

The value in equity to the airline does matter.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7):
UA, by the way, own very little of their fleet.

I beg to differ with you. Of the 53 777-222s registered in the US, 46 are owned outright by United Airlines. Of the 33 737-522s registered in the US, 29 are owned by United Airlines. Of their 31 747-422s, 18 are owned outright by United and 4 more are held in trust. Of the 35 767-322s, 19 (a majority) are owned by United. They own a majority, 59, of their A320's. Of 55 A319s in their fleet, United owns 51. They do only own 15 of the 70 737-322s.

Want to re-evaluate your statement now?

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 8):
Either EK, QR, or Etihad.

Etihad has 21 planes. Thats it. There is no way their fleet is anywhere near the top of the list. Qatar has like 57. There is no comparisson between these airlines and airlines that operate 400, 500, even 700 aircraft.
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RE: Which Airline Has The Most Expensive Fleet

Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:49 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
I beg to differ with you. Of the 53 777-222s registered in the US, 46 are owned outright by United Airlines. Of the 33 737-522s registered in the US, 29 are owned by United Airlines. Of their 31 747-422s, 18 are owned outright by United and 4 more are held in trust. Of the 35 767-322s, 19 (a majority) are owned by United. They own a majority, 59, of their A320's. Of 55 A319s in their fleet, United owns 51. They do only own 15 of the 70 737-322s.

I beg to differ with you. UA does not own the aircraft "outright" as you are claiming. While they are not leasing them, financial institutions hold the paper on most of them. If you are making payments on a car, you don't own it "outright" do you?
 
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RE: Which Airline Has The Most Expensive Fleet

Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:57 pm

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 10):
I beg to differ with you. UA does not own the aircraft "outright" as you are claiming. While they are not leasing them, financial institutions hold the paper on most of them. If you are making payments on a car, you don't own it "outright" do you?

Not sure how it works in the US - but in the Uk you own the car as you hold the registration document but you have credit secured against it which the creditor can seize the car to pay it off - the same as a mortgage - you own the house but owe money on it - semantics I know!
 
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RE: Which Airline Has The Most Expensive Fleet

Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:44 am

All airlines that have only widebodies
 
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RE: Which Airline Has The Most Expensive Fleet

Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:11 pm

the airline with the most expensive fleet i think is american airlines , half of thier fleet consist of MD-80's & boeing 762's.
 
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RE: Which Airline Has The Most Expensive Fleet

Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:56 am

i'd think one of the airlines that operates the big jets. i do agree that american definitly has the most expensive fleet. but i am surprised that virginatlantic or emrites would have the most expensives.
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