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Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:14 pm

Are there any Hunters that go out to sites of a crash say from the 60,and 70s, examining wreckage left behind. Ive heard of people doing this, but didnt know if any a.netters go out..
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Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:41 am

Just one.....The Continental Viscount that crashed January 1961 at MKC
between the dike and the river on the south side.
The summer of that year, my friend who is now a mechanic for AW at PHX, and I walked around the site. I have a few things..most notable is a cockpit
windshield wiper. My friend has a cockpit gauge of somesort. I dont know
which one it is.
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Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:28 pm

The ones I have been to are:

AA 191 (drove by it everyday when I worked at ORD)
American Eagle 4184 in Roselawn, IN
Alegheny DC9 that collided with the plane over Indiana on approach to IND (the feild where the wreckage fell)

As for the last 2 I mentioned I was on a road trip back from IND with a buddy and decided to stop and pay my respects.
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Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:30 pm

Are there still aircraft parts there, I know in some remote areas they just leave them there.
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Crossair Flight 3597 as the crashsite is located only roughly 1km from my former house.
 
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:18 am

As the country becomes more urbanized many of these crash sites that were in "the boonies" are now being built over,the UAL DC7 that was in a mid-air in the mid 50's over Las Vegas is one of them,I recall driving up York Road south of CLT and seeing a housing development named McDowell Farms,and I recall reading a book about the crash of Eastern 212 being on the farm belonging to the Mcdowell family,so that is probably under someone's home.

Quoting United767 (Reply 2):
AA 191 (drove by it everyday when I worked at ORD

There is some development coming very close to that spot.

Quoting United767 (Reply 2):
American Eagle 4184 in Roselawn, IN

Saw some of the wreckage in the MQ hangar at ORD a couple weeks after the crash,big tough aircraft parts twisted like pretzels and still covered with mud,one thing about a lot of these rural crash sites you need to be careful about is tha they are mostly on private property and it might not be a bad idea to ask the owner before you go right onto the spot,the crash site that the Braniff BAC111 crashed is still an active farm field,though they put up a small memorial adjacent the spot this past summer.
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Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 1):
Viscount that crashed January 1961 at MKC

That should read January of 1963. Sorry about the error.
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:12 pm

I can remember in high school we were all messing off in our cars kinda skipping a half day of school and were out by a large hilly field.. I'm guess 78,79.. any way this field was a direct shot to the only east west runway at Mem. Now called fredex runway,Maybe 4 miles out, We were standing by our cars kinda sipping some brews,
when all hell broke loose i guess behind us or above us at a low altitude.

All i remember was chunks of junk raining down in front of us,and a perfect
leather seat hit right by us..there was a little smoke and some of the stuff
falling was burning.. Still didn't know what it was but we thought something had fallen from a plane we didn't know it was a plane.. We walked over the the seat.. My buddy said: That seat would look good in my jeep...
so we walk a little further through the brush and a hill and found what appeared to just a torso, burned like hell though.We were all dumbfounded
as a buddy pokes it with a stick,he said i think thats part of somebody...

then we came upon a small jet which i thought might be one of fedex,s falcons that may not have been painted..well on the other side of the field cops and firetrucks were a mile a way heading toward us. So we didnt want to get busted for underage drinking so we went out the back way and went back to school.. One of the guys with us had mentioned to someone what we saw,and god forbid the teacher called the cops.right about the time class was out. Well they wanted to know where the toro was and what we had seen.
so one of the guys takes them back to show them.. luckily we didn't have to go with them.

But from what i remember hearing there were some guys from Saudi Arabia learning to fly I guess the Falcon or what ever it was and it had collided with another plane mid air which made it back to the airport. but there was a few people that got killed 3 maybe 4.. I'm not positive it was a falcon but at the time i could recognize the small jet engine.
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:28 pm

However nowadays thats not possible as Security arrives around the Area & its cordoned off.However some folks still arrive earlier & collect Specimens.Sad case.Rather than helping the Victims.
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:37 pm

Quoting Charlienorth (Reply 5):
Saw some of the wreckage in the MQ hangar at ORD a couple weeks after the crash,big tough aircraft parts twisted like pretzels and still covered with mud,one thing about a lot of these rural crash sites you need to be careful about is tha they are mostly on private property and it might not be a bad idea to ask the owner before you go right onto the spot,the crash site that the Braniff BAC111 crashed is still an active farm field,though they put up a small memorial adjacent the spot this past summer.

You'd think they would just bring it down to IND instead huh? Anyways, I hear that AAs oldest hangar at ORD, the one that almost looks teal instead of dark blue, is supposedly haunted, being where they brought the victims of AA 191. Any truth to that?
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:08 pm

I would have loved to have help anyone i could, but yes they do secure the areas because on the news that night they had the yellow tape and all that,, we were just at the wrong place at the wrong time when two planes collied above us....Knowing know and i guess even then i would have known there was no way there were survivors.. The charred torso was the giveaway,and the plane was scattered all around in a small area, but the fuselage was kinda warped flat and the engine was smoking hotter than hell but i could just see smashed turbines.never saw the other engine.At 16 you really dont think about the dangers, it could have blown up and killed us but unless you were in a steel ball now one could have survived,,, i need to look that up somewhere and see what did actually happen.. thats been almost 30 years..
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Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 10):
i need to look that up somewhere and see what did actually happen

Here you go:






http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=41915&key=0

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=41916&key=0


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Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting United767 (Reply 9):
You'd think they would just bring it down to IND instead huh?

They were trucking the parts somewhere for the investigation and I believe the theory was that they would be secure,we were all peer into the crates and managers were in a panic about but they never stopped us from looking.

Quoting United767 (Reply 9):
Any truth to that?

Heard that rumor,also heard for a couple years every time it was warm and rainy the place got kind of a morgue smell,the other rumored haunted hangar at ORD is the American Eagle hangar,in 1968 a North Central CV580 lost control and crashed into the hangar which was Braniff at the time,28 were killed.
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:13 am

Quoting Charlienorth (Reply 12):
in 1968 a North Central CV580 lost control and crashed into the hangar which was Braniff at the time,28 were killed.

The thought was that the landing Convair got caught in a wake from a departing CO jet. There was a high school band practicing for a New Years parade in the hanger at the time and were a few injures on the ground when the Convair went into the
hanger.
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:32 am

Quoting JetJeanes (Thread starter):
Are there any Hunters that go out to sites of a crash say from the 60,and 70s, examining wreckage left behind. Ive heard of people doing this, but didnt know if any a.netters go out..

I did on Pan Am 292 in 1965. It crashed into a mountain in Monserrat on a flight from FDF/ANU/JFK. It seems as though the pilot was too low over the mountain and he hit turbulence and by the time he tried to right the airplane he did not have the altitude as there was low lying cloud at the mountian top and he could not see the mountain, remember this was before the radar that we have today. I had to go there as I was cargo suprv for BGI/ANU/SLU as we had a diplomtic pouch on board as well as mail and we were sent to try and find them. I was a terrible sight and what I remember most was the smell of av fuel and burnt flesh. The aircraft nose had plowed into the mountain and you could see that at the last moment he had tried to pull her up as the tail was several hundred yards away from the rest of the plane. There was nothing much left as the fire had burned very hot and you could only acess the mountain on foot and I think it took a day and a half to get up there through the forest. Had it not been so high up the mountain it might have been possible to rescue some of the 30 persons on board. In a lot of cases I don't agree with the pilot error findings but in this case I have too
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Reply 11,


trying to read this did the other plane go down too??? i only saw one plane..
and is the fatalities in the falcon 4 is that right??
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:17 am

I do not call myself a hunter more like I am very interested to see the reports and final out come....

But I have visit SR crash site (Wuerenlingen), SR 111 (as I have know the PIC), AZ crash site short of ZRH and also the AC crash site in YYZ..... did not go to p/u stuff just to say a prayer for all lost souls....
 
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:20 am

I've fairly recently been to the site of the Dan Air Comet 4 crash (G-APDN, 3 July 1970), It's a wooded slope of a mountain, north of Barcelona, Spain.

Incidentally, I think the coordinates given for the crash in the report are a little in error - about 0.4 miles too far down the slope as the crash is reported to have happened at 3800ft. At the coordinates the elevation is only a little over 3300ft. I speculate that the coordinates have been written as deg/min/secs instead of perhaps deg/min.min
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:36 am

I've always wanted to snoop around the area where a B52 crashed southeast of MSP on September 16, 1958. There can't be much left. It nosedived into the ground from 36000 feet in one minute.

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Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 18):
I've always wanted to snoop around the area where a B52 crashed southeast of MSP on September 16, 1958. There can't be much left. It nosedived into the ground from 36000 feet in one minute.

Mark

A friend of mine grew up near there,it was around where hwys 52 and 55 come together,I heard at one time there was a small memorial there but the plaque was stolen,I don't know if those condos are over the site or just near it.
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Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:55 am

Falling from 30,000 ft in a nose dive there couldnt be much left or it is under ground.

I know in the Vj crash in the everglades, we figure there were 14,000 lbs of humans on an average on board. If i recall correctly there were less that 200 lbs of remains brought up. there no telling how deep the cockpit went in that silt. The capt she was a very sharp gal, and very nice. I didnt know the co-pilot but just reading the data back then on him well, i guess he did the best he could.
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The West Coast Airlines DC9 that crashed near Mt Hood in Wemme OR on Oct 1, 1966. The wreakage is still up there on the mountain to this day.
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West Coast Airlines DC9

was that one of the first 9,s to come out
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Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:23 pm

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 22):
was that one of the first 9,s to come out

Less than 6 months old when it crashed.
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Quoting United767 (Reply 9):
Anyways, I hear that AAs oldest hangar at ORD, the one that almost looks teal instead of dark blue, is supposedly haunted, being where they brought the victims of AA 191. Any truth to that?

I've heard that too. I've also heard the crash site is haunted. There have been sitings of ghostly businessmen in a smoldering '70s style suit wandering aimlessley through the trailor park where the plane went down.
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I saw a small plane crash once. It was in 2000 or 2001. It happened a mile from my old house in Corona,CA.

I saw the plane's nose pitch up and then it went spiraling towards the ground and crashed into an apartment complex. Only one person was killed but a woman in her apartment had to jump from the 2nd floor through a little window as she was trapped in the laundry room. I still remember seeing the smoke pouring out of that area when it happened.
 
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Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 13):
The thought was that the landing Convair got caught in a wake from a departing CO jet. There was a high school band practicing for a New Years parade in the hanger at the time and were a few injures on the ground when the Convair went into the
hanger.
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There still are gouges on the hangar floor from that one.
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Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 24):
I've heard that too. I've also heard the crash site is haunted. There have been sitings of ghostly businessmen in a smoldering '70s style suit wandering aimlessley through the trailor park where the plane went down.

Just to add to that, some people have claimed that the spirit talked to them asking about their connection or bag, and smeeling of jet fuel,also there have been reports of residents of the trailer park hearing knocking on the doors at night and no one being there.(now this could be the kids messing around, but it picked up alot after the crash.)
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Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 23):

More like four days....I thought they put it in service on Monday and busted it
up Thursday night.
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:18 am

Quoting United767 (Reply 27):
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 24):
I've heard that too. I've also heard the crash site is haunted. There have been sitings of ghostly businessmen in a smoldering '70s style suit wandering aimlessley through the trailor park where the plane went down.

Just to add to that, some people have claimed that the spirit talked to them asking about their connection or bag, and smeeling of jet fuel

That's right! Thanks for refreshing my memory. It has not been just an isolated incident either, one has to wonder... pretty eerie.
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:02 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 29):
That's right! Thanks for refreshing my memory. It has not been just an isolated incident either, one has to wonder... pretty eerie.

 rotfl  Did you ever get the chance to go into that trailer park? When I used to work at O'Hare me and a freind got chased out by their "security". Did however get to spend a few minutes on the field where it went down. Plus when on I-90 right after you pass the Oasis you get a good view of the site.
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:21 pm

Quoting United767 (Reply 30):
Did you ever get the chance to go into that trailer park? When I used to work at O'Hare me and a freind got chased out by their "security". Did however get to spend a few minutes on the field where it went down. Plus when on I-90 right after you pass the Oasis you get a good view of the site.

No I never have had a chance to visit, although I would like to just to pay my respects. What is the easiest to get there? I'm only about a half hour from ORD. Also, was there ever a memorial built to remember those lost on the flight?
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:52 pm

NO memorial from what i saw, and depends where you are coming from. If you are coming from the western suburbs where i grew up (Lake in the Hills) take I-90 to Arlington heights road and make a left at route 72. Follow that the whole way (it branches right at one point and right before you hit Mount Prospect Road you will see the trailer park (right across from FedEx building and the adult bookstore). Hope that helps, any more questions feel free to ask.
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:23 pm

Thanks for the directions, I'm also from the west burbs. I don't go to O'hare much but I'll make a point of visiting it before my next flight, in March. It's a shame if its true there's no memorial, for the respect of the victims. I have not heard of one either. I'm sure those in office wanted to put the accident behind them, and not dwell on it. Plus, memorials weren't as common in the '70s.
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