airpearl
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What Is The Price For Inconvenience?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:27 pm

On my flight on Cathay Pacific a couple of days ago from Perth to Hong Kong, the IFE broke down 15 mins into the 7h30min flight. Attempts to reset the system failed and the 300+ pax aboard the full A330-300 flight were left to their own devices to amuse themselves.

The crew were apologetic (even the captain apologised twice during the flight and again when we arrived in Hong Kong). As we disembarked, each passenger was handed a US$25 1-year validity voucher for dutyfree items from Cathay Pacific for the "inconvenience".

This made me wonder if there was something close to a 'standard' compensation for failures in service such as this. Is $25 above or below average compensation? Would like to hear how much, if any, you have been compensated for in instances similar to this.
 
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RE: What Is The Price For Inconvenience?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:10 pm

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
if there was something close to a 'standard' compensation for failures in service such as this. Is $25 above or below average compensation?

I would not think that failure of the IFE system could be considered a serious inconvenience for the pax - an annoying inconvenience perhaps for those who lives are dependant on the screen. After all, it is a gadget there for the pax's entertainment and there is no contractual agreement for the airline to provide it. If the IFE broke down, can you not read a book, newspaper or magazine, perhaps talk to your travelling companion or play cards, or even have a short sleep? How do you think people survived flights in the days before IFE (when the journeys were considerably longer)?

Any compensation for the loss of the IFE is a gesture of goodwill by the airline. IMHO a free drink would suffice, $25 was very generous.
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RE: What Is The Price For Inconvenience?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:22 pm

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
US$25 1-year validity voucher for dutyfree items from Cathay Pacific for the "inconvenience".

thats a possible $7,500+ that cathay could lose. Although they figure that most of the people won't use it. So there for it makes them look good, while only losing a bit, because in all reality if someone buys something for $25 cathay would only have lost the price in which they had to pay for the object. Its not like if someone was only selling one thing and that person with the coupon took away all their revenue because someone with real money didn't get it.

yes it is $25 that they didn't make, but cathay I think is more worried about pleasing their customers!

sorry I realise now thats not at all what you asked  Smile

back in 2002 I flew NWA, when we landed our bags were no where to be seen, NW compensated us with I believe $20 off on future flights (we never used it).

back before 2000 UA gave my mum and brother $50 each for future travel with them because the personal lights weren't working, the flights was 2.5 hours late among other reasons, we did use those!

more recently:
In 2004 NZ gave me $35NZD in Rotorua for food because our plane had issues. we had tried to take off twice and the pilots had to stop each time because the aircraft didn't want to go airborne. so they had to wait for a mechanic to come down from AKL to fix the problem, we could take a bus up if we had a connection, but I didn't so I had to wait at the airport all by myself for a long time. For those of you who have been to ROT before it was re-done know how much of a bore it is with out a camera.

but now adays I don't see vouchers being given out in the US airlines, so i would take that voucher and use it! you should have asked other people if they were going to use it and if not bought it off them for $20 dollars or something.
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RE: What Is The Price For Inconvenience?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:07 am

Quoting BCAL (Reply 1):
If the IFE broke down, can you not read a book, newspaper or magazine, perhaps talk to your travelling companion or play cards, or even have a short sleep? How do you think people survived flights in the days before IFE (when the journeys were considerably longer)?

Hold on. What's your problem? I don't think I was actually complaining here. The tone of your message is condescending and, as a matter of fact, I did finish a whole 325-page novel during the flight - something I haven't done for a long time now!
All I merely asked was whether people had been compensated for their IFE breaking down. No need to get your knickers in a twist, as someone from your country might say.
 
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RE: What Is The Price For Inconvenience?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:39 am

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 2):
So there for it makes them look good, while only losing a bit, because in all reality if someone buys something for $25 cathay would only have lost the price in which they had to pay for the object. Its not like if someone was only selling one thing and that person with the coupon took away all their revenue because someone with real money didn't get it.

Almost everything Cathay sells inflight costs >$25, so it was a rather clever ploy to get people who don't usually shop onboard to do so, as this sucker eventually did, spending much more money than he originally intended!
 
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RE: What Is The Price For Inconvenience?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:12 am

mm I'm on the fence here.

Why did I pick Virgin when I realised I'd be flying a lot to Asia/Australia? For the IFE, mainly. Travelling with 12-13 year old child makes these kind of choices for you.

Let's say you spend $3,000 on Premium for 2 pax to PVG from LHR, and the IFE dies on the outbound (night flight)? The promises of "we can watch movie xxxxxx together, then you can watch tv show xxxxxx" would be out the window, and you'd have 10-11 hours of grumpy child on your hands!

Personally, I don't by any means RELY on the IFE if travelling alone, but for sure it is a great thing to have. I would be annoyed if it went down, as I was in October on VS250, when it jumped throughout the flight.

Having said that (told you I was on the fence) I agree that there is nothing to bind an airline to IFE, or it's functionality, other than Customer Satisfaction.

Imagine alcohol was an extra on VS - If I couldn't sleep on a flight so wanted to watch some movies, but the IFE was down, what would happen? Well, if Virgin would give me a couple of beers for free (in turn putting me to sleep!!) then would that have been an acceptable substitute? Of course.

So I think it's really case by case, person by person.

Gosh I'm rambling.
 
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RE: What Is The Price For Inconvenience?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:28 pm

I think any kind of compensation for such is totally unnecessary, but great PR on their part. Of course, being an "old timer", I have been on flights to Europe, for example on a Britannia, which took 22 hours including refuelling stops. So, my views are a little different than say, a generation that has been used to all these conveniences and entertainments for their entire lives. Having said that, one becomes accustomed to these things and takes for granted that they will work, and it's a bit of a letdown when they don't. I think Cathay Pacific did an extremely great job in the circumstances. I actually have yet to be on any aircraft with PTV, and am quite looking forward to it! I may be "old", but I still love to experience and learn new things.
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RE: What Is The Price For Inconvenience?

Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting BCAL (Reply 1):
If the IFE broke down, can you not read a book, newspaper or magazine, perhaps talk to your travelling companion or play cards, or even have a short sleep? How do you think people survived flights in the days before IFE (when the journeys were considerably longer)?

Well, if the airline advertises the IFE, a lot of people just don't bring books, etc, presuming the IFE will be there and taking advantage of it to save on carry-on weight. And then if it breaks down, they have nothing to do...not a big deal on a short flight, but if you're looking at 8-12+ hours, that's a long time.

And while it may not be in the Contract of Carriage, if an airline advertises IFE and then doesn't deliver it, you're not getting what you paid for, and a modest recognition of that is not unreasonable. Cathay Pacific performed commendably here.

I always carry at least one book, a magazine or two, and my iPod even if IFE is advertised, but that's 'cause I usually don't find anything on the IFE I like. Most of my travelling is alone (and I have the WORST luck when it comes to seatmates), so cards or conversation are usually not an option.
 
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RE: What Is The Price For Inconvenience?

Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:06 am

I wouldn't consider a broken IFE an "inconveinience". A missed cnx, delayed, cancelled flight or landing at an alternate aiport due to wx or mx problems are inconveineinces.

As other members have replied about, a $25 voucher for a broken IFE is exceptional and great PR, but not required and should not be expected.
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RE: What Is The Price For Inconvenience?

Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:39 am

Some people would say a broken IFE is a blessing.
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RE: What Is The Price For Inconvenience?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:52 pm

The IFE broke down in First Class on SQ's brand new 777-300ER in a trip report. See NewSQFC HKG-SIN, SQ BC SIN-CPT, SAA FC CPT-LHR (by Xtra1 Jan 13 2007 in Trip Reports)

The airline compensated him US$150 and that was for a 3hr+ flight between Hong Kong and Singapore!
 
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RE: What Is The Price For Inconvenience?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:11 pm

Well, I have another perspective on this one. I flew AF CDG-HKG last summer, and the IFE on the 777-300ER didn't work at all. The flight was even 2-3 hours delayed, apparently because they tried to fix the IFE. No compensation given.

Would people really wait two hours more (especially in CDG Big grin), to get a working IFE during the flight? Personally I wouldn't, although the PTV's are indeed nice to have.

Like Airpearl who read a 325 page novel on his flight, I managed to sleep for almost 10 hours! That has never happened before (not even 2 hours), and will probably never happen again  Smile

btw, my inbound flight for that trip CPH-CDG was delayed 45 minutes, and AF handed on 10$ meal vouchers (it was even announced in speakers throughout the airport) in CPH. Quite a nice gesture.
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