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A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:27 am

When I read the trip reports or some other thread listed, I often come across posts that say newer aircraft are nicer to fly on. I recently took trip on WN on one of the 737-700, and I couldn't wait to be back on board one of DL old 767. So my question is this, How important is having a newer aircraft to you and why? Don't say IFE on Jetblue, as it as to be comparable.

EX. MD80 vs. 737NG, 767 vs. 777......
 
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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:32 am

Quoting Sacamojus (Thread starter):
Don't say IFE on Jetblue, as it as to be comparable.

It's precisely because of things like this that many people prefer newer aircraft! That's the point - they're not comparable. Newer aircraft aren't any faster than 15-20 year old ones, so the differentiators are all in the product available - more comfortable seas, better IFE, etc. Especially for long-haul flights (forget domestic US, which is really just a bus ride) this makes all the difference.

- Edited to add: this should be in Polls & preferences.

[Edited 2007-01-21 03:33:30]
 
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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:38 am

Quoting Sacamojus (Thread starter):
I recently took trip on WN on one of the 737-700, and I couldn't wait to be back on board one of DL old 767

It's like comparing riding/driving in a 1959 Cadillac with fins vs. riding/driving in a 2007 bargain basement stripped down Daewoo. The 737-700 WN is newer but, that 767 DL being a wide body. The question or thread could actually be:
Why do passengers prefer a wide body vs. a single asile airliner? Both are comperable speed wise. And, if the wide body bird is configured for maximum single class yield you actually may be more comfortable in your run of the mill
737-700 or A-320!
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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:41 am

IFE and cabins can be rebuilt (DL's current transcon plans). So then does it still matter?
 
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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:42 am

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 2):
Why do passengers prefer a wide body vs. a single asile airliner?

Why do you think they do? 99% of the public won't notice anything beyond it being "a bit bigger" or "a bit smaller" than usual - it's an a.net phenomenon to be obsessed with wide / narrow bodies  Smile

On my last CO 757 transatlantic flight the woman I was sitting next to commented on how it was great to fly on such a big airplane, much bigger than when she usually flies to Europe!! Unless she has a private jet I think she was confused.
 
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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:44 am

When planning a trip specifically to fly aircraft then it has quite the opposite affect, I try to select the oldest possible aircraft (even if it means going right out of my way) because I know many will soon be retired and I want to fly on as many possible types before they are withdrawn.

On other flights I take a lot the age has nothing to do with my choice, the price though does as I'm a student - money matters. If there is no difference then I'll select the 'most fun' such as a B757/B767 over the Bus320 family so I at least get a interesting take off!

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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:50 am

Quoting Sacamojus (Thread starter):
So my question is this, How important is having a newer aircraft to you and why?

You have the newschool fans which want to fly on the latest, up to date, fbw modern designs with as much IFE as possible, which is fine, especially on long flights. Think old AA 762 vs. new CO 764. And then you have those of us who love the classic jets and try to enjoy them while we still can. Just think of all the a.netters that miss the 727! Most of the time I fall into the latter category. These days, I'll take a Mad Dog any day over a 737NG.
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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:36 pm

Still prefer a 767 over just about any other. That is, in economy, because that is how I mostly fly. I have yet to try the 777, maybe I will like the AC ones, the seat width is an inch wider than on any of their other aircraft. The IFE really makes little difference to me, I got an MP3 player with lots of memory and a pair of noise-cancelling headphones, so I can listen to my jazz for hours! As long as they get me safely from point A to B, and decent service I'm pretty happy. Long live the 767, especially for those of us who ride mostly in Y.
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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:21 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 5):
I try to select the oldest possible aircraft (even if it means going right out of my way) because I know many will soon be retired and I want to fly on as many possible types before they are withdrawn.



Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 2):
It's like comparing riding/driving in a 1959 Cadillac with fins vs. riding/driving in a 2007 bargain basement stripped down Daewoo.

 checkmark   yes 

Give me the older and/or bigger aircraft.
I remember booking a trip to Hawaii back in summer 2000. (SFO-HNL).
It was one of those package deals and the travel agent couldn't understand why I was willing to pay more to fly on United instead of Aloha out of Oakland.
United was still using the 747-200 on this leg and Aloha was already using those little 737-700s.
I already know what the 737NG is all about and they'll be around in service for another 30 years to come. The 747-200 is gone from most fleets.
The UA 747-200 flight was excellent and it's a shame those planes were scrapped just 2 months after that flight.

I also chose Cubana's IL-62 over Mexicana 757 to Havana several years ago.
Come on, if your flying to Cuba or Russia, its a MUST to fly there on Russian/Soviet aircraft.  yes 
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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:41 am

Well it makes me feel alot safer that im flying a 777 than an old 767. I cant stand the way they rattle when your sitting at the back, they feel liek they are goign to fall apart and flying a 777 or 747 actually makes you fel like your going on holiday =)
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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:08 am

Quoting Hoppe777 (Reply 9):
I cant stand the way they rattle when your sitting at the back, they feel liek they are goign to fall apart

 confused 
Wouldn't that be the carrier's fault and not he aircraft itself?
My 767 experiences have almost all been good.

Those most comfortable flights I've been on were
747-200s, DC-10, IL-62 and TU-154. This is just within the last 5 years too.

The aircraft I try to avoid the most is the A320. I'd rather fly on a turbo-prop or RJ if I have the choice.
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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:58 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
United was still using the 747-200 on this leg and Aloha was already using those little 737-700s.
I already know what the 737NG is all about and they'll be around in service for another 30 years to come. The 747-200 is gone from most fleets.

Good call. I'm glad I got in some 727 and F100 flights before they diseappeared from scheduled service in th US. I kick myself for not routing flights to fly on the DL L-1011 or NW DC-10. It doesn't present itself, coming from ORD.

Getting on some rare birds is always a thrill. Like you said, 737NG will be everywhere for years to come. Two airliners I'd like to fly on before they're gone are the AY MD-11 and DL MD-90.
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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:44 pm

I can't really understand the affection for the Mad Dog here...

so the 2+3 seating is good, if you're on the 2 side: and the cabin noise is virtually non-existent ahead of the wings, so far so good,

but,

terrible air-conditioning on the ground - the worst - when I was a CO top Elite and an AA Plat travelling x3 weekly out of SAT/AUS on their respective MD-80s to DFW, IAH, LAX etc the priority boarding just meant that you sat and sweat for 10 minutes more than the rest of the pax: a change of shirt guaranteed on every trip!

and have you ever tried to put any kind of carry-on in those overheads - some lap-tops don't even fit!

plus - this is probably just me - you always seem to be miles from a decent-sized exit (only 2 in total that I can count) that won't get hopelessly jammed by tripping pax in an evacuation

now a 73G will give you decent a/c, decent overhead space, 'full'-sized exits x4 - but at the 'cost' of 3+3 and louder cabin. Another point: the 73G cabin panels and lighting are a minor but quite significant improvement over the 1980s Boeing standard.

But, that said, I'll always take a widebody over a narrowbody - and a rare bird over a common bird...
 
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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:46 pm

Quoting LHRBFSTrident (Reply 12):
I can't really understand the affection for the Mad Dog here...



Quoting LHRBFSTrident (Reply 12):
terrible air-conditioning on the ground - the worst - when I was a CO top Elite and an AA Plat travelling x3 weekly out of SAT/AUS on their respective MD-80s

To each their own. The overhead bins are a bit small, but I've always managed to get my carry on in them. The exits are not a big deal to me, and the quiet cabin is very nice. The 2/3 cabin format of course is a plus. And on top of that its a beatufil bird.

For the record though, not all MD-80s are the same. CO had many second hand MD-81's, which I'm sure were a lot more rundown than DL MD-88's. Take the MD-90 into account, and the difference in the cabin is even greater. Better interior, LCD drop down screens, etc. It has more in common with an A320 (including engines) than an old CO MD-81.
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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:34 pm

If given a choice, everytime and all things being equal, I will choose to travel on the 744 over the 777.
 
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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:11 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 14):
If given a choice, everytime and all things being equal, I will choose to travel on the 744 over the 777.

Same here!  yes 
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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:13 am

If it ain't Boeing, I'm not going!

Newer any day, hate blue water, give me vacuum lavs any day, have yet to see anybody come out of the lav during turbulence on a new plane with blue stains all over them!  laughing 

Newer any day, more amenities onboard, better ventilation systems, quiet motors, and fly higher to avoid storms.

Yes, still love the B727 though and wish they were in airline fleets.
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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:24 am

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 16):
Yes, still love the B727 though and wish they were in airline fleets.

...but then you'd get blue stains all over you while you're in the lavatory during turbulence.  Silly
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RE: A.netter Opinions On Newer Aircraft

Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:52 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
...but then you'd get blue stains all over you while you're in the lavatory during turbulence.

In a 72 ya never go to the lav, might miss something fun!  Smile
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