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Worst LCC In The USA

Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:42 am

In your opinion, who is your least favorite LCC in the USA?

I'd say NK.
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:56 am

not a big fan of America Worst...
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:31 am

SOUTHWEST!!!!!!!

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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:35 am

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 1):
not a big fan of America Worst...

You mean US Scareways. (Their operating certificate hasn't been combined yet, but still.)
 
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:46 pm

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 1):
America Worst



Quoting Analog (Reply 3):
US Scareways

Neither of these are LCC.

B6 has been taking it from behind lately...
 
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:52 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
Neither of these are LCC.

They would like you to think they are. After all, the new US stock code is LCC.

I don't have high regards for US either. They want to be an LCC, but their in-flight service compares to UA and AA, not WN, B6, F9, FL, etc.
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:57 pm

I think this topic is far to blunt to get any specific answer. Anything said in here will be based on personal opinion or bad experiences.

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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:35 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
ither of these are LCC.

Hmmm, I would agree based on some ticket prices I've seen, but the quality of the service sure is Low Cost.

My vote - unfortunately - is US. They have a LONG way to go . . . .

Quoting WestJetYQQ (Reply 6):
I think this topic is far to blunt to get any specific answer. Anything said in here will be based on personal opinion or bad experiences

No kidding? Polls and PREFERENCES is a clue. Should be fairly elementary after that.  sarcastic 
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:59 am

I opened this thread to vote US Airways and found that most of you already have. Check out my recent post to the thread I started 10 days ago regarding their F class product. The reality is they showed absolutely no class.
 
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:41 am

And the winner is..........

The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
 
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:54 pm

US is still a stodgy legacy to me (but then again, I live in CLT)

And thus, I vote for FL
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:21 pm

US Airways isn't a LCC. They consistently have the highest fares of all airlines flying out of MSP.

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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:34 pm

Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 8):
I opened this thread to vote US Airways and found that most of you already have.

My "US Scareways" wasn't a vote for US. US has been pretty good to me, with the exception of those awful CRJ900s. I really dislike WN. Nothing is worse than customer service agents that blatantly lie to you.
 
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 5):
They would like you to think they are. After all, the new US stock code is LCC.

One of the video advertisements shown throughout my flight extolled USAirways as 'the full-service, low cost carrier', so I'll count them in with the LCCs.
 
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:03 am

I hate WN! It's just a horrible trans-con product. (Can't say NK is better but at least they have Spirit Plus.
 
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:50 am

SOUTHWEST!!!!

I dont count US in the LCC's yet. To me, theyre still a legacy carrier. Well see what Parker does in the future, but in the mean time, my vote goes for Southwest. Ive always hated their product and always will. Sorry to all the WN fans, but they just arent my kind of airline.
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:32 am

If you base this poll on quality of carrier service to mean a "low cost carrier" you mine as well add AA in there too. Today's service compared to what it was ten years ago is - disgusting.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 11):
US Airways isn't a LCC.

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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:47 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 16):
If you base this poll on quality of carrier service to mean a "low cost carrier" you mine as well add AA in there too.

No... I think he is talking about actual LCCs in which case US would be one.
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:16 am

Southwest Airlines hands down. Southwest has a boring fleet, dirty aircraft, annoying Crew Members, ugly paint scheme, and lack of destinations. I know a lot of people love them but they aint my kind of airline.

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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:13 am

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 18):
lack of destinations

More than B6, F9, FL, and NK.
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:32 am

Isn't it getting difficult to distinguish Low COST Carriers? During bankruptcy, most of the legacies have dramatically reduced their costs and now can offer competitive fares with the likes of WN, JetBlue, AirTran, etc. As many have noted, sometimes legacies have lower fares between point A and B.

I think we should throw the terms LCC and Legacy out the window and just use the term "airline."
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:06 am

While I don't hate any of them I'd rank WN last out of LCC's I have significant experience on. Favorite would have to be F9 followed by B6 and Airtran.
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:49 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 11):
US Airways isn't a LCC. They consistently have the highest fares of all airlines flying out of MSP.

Yes, they are. LCC = Low Cost Carrier....not Low Fare Carrier. I rarely find WN or F9 or any other LCC to be cheaper than most legacy airlines out of IND/ORD/MDW (sometimes WN takes it there...) but their whole idea is keeping the cost of their business down, not the airfares. Often times lower air fares result from the LCC model, but not always. Actually operating as an LCC is another story, but US/HP seems to be working towards that goal. It will take time, however....I should imagine there is more than a kink or two they have to work out.

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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:05 am

WN is actually an excellent LCC when flying short hops such as LAX-OAK.
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:33 am

Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 22):
Yes, they are.

Are you daft? They're a legacy. There's nothing low cost about them.

They're still one of the highest priced carriers in any Kayak.com or other discount search. I've given up on US's website because their quoted fares are so ridiculously and unreasonably expensive.

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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:55 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 5):
but their in-flight service compares to UA and AA

Uhh, no. Economy class maybe, but the premium First classes do not compare in anyway. If you ask me, US Airways should not be a part of the Star Alliance. They don't compare to the others. Just my 2 cents.
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:45 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 24):
Are you daft? They're a legacy. There's nothing low cost about them.

No, they are working to be the nation's largest full service, low cost carrier. In a sense, I think we are both correct,they are still a legacy because they operate under the US banner etc., but are operating as an LCC, as best they can. Of course, they are still in transition, which as I'm sure you know, takes a lot of time in this industry. Besides, why would people in this forum vote for them as the worst LCC if they were not, in fact, an LCC?

Just because an airline has higher fares, does not mean it is not an LCC. LCC means Low Cost Carrier, i.e they work to keep their operating costs down. That does not automatically imply that they will always have low fares. I consistently see both WN, and B6 among the highest priced airlines when I look to travel, but they are both bona fide LCCs.

Taken from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2005/05/19/AR2005051901972.html

"US Airways Group Inc. and America West Holdings Corp. said yesterday that they would merge in a $1.5 billion deal that would create the nation's largest budget airline with service throughout the United States and overseas."

Taken from http://www.washingtontimes.com/business/20050519-105204-1337r.htm
"Mr. Parker said the union of America West and US Airways would create a full-service, low-cost carrier. "

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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:46 am

WIthout a doubt - US. Bad service, can't make up their mind if they are a legacy or LCC.

Now, that said of the true LCC's - WN! Why, I am not cattle. Line up in chutes A, B or C and chase down a seat. If they don't win for the worst LCC they sure do win for the ugliest livery.

Next up - NK - if they go to the service that has been described here on A.net (like Ryanair's) then I think they will doom themselves. I just don't think the nicke and dime fare will fly here in the states like in Europe. Just my .02.

The best though is F9, I find them to be friendliest, best IFE ( I know it is actually B6's) and decent food.

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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:28 am

US Airways. Though, my carrier of choice (United) might join rank with their recent cuts in services.

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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:20 am

Another vote for US here...
 
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:49 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 11):
US Airways isn't a LCC. They consistently have the highest fares of all airlines flying out of MSP.

Ditto for Phoenix. For instance PHX-FLL in March, US = $329 DL=$235. Service to IAD from PHX sometimes has been $500 more than another airline 1-stop service.
 
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:45 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 30):
Ditto for Phoenix. For instance PHX-FLL in March, US = $329 DL=$235. Service to IAD from PHX sometimes has been $500 more than another airline 1-stop service.

LCC does not necessarily mean low fares.
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:26 am

US to cities they compete with with WN are always the same price thankfully.
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:26 pm

in my experience the award would go to


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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:21 pm

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 27):
WIthout a doubt - US. Bad service, can't make up their mind if they are a legacy or LCC.

Isn't that the truth..They have their employees pay rate down lower than most if not all LCC at least the pilot group anyway...Funny thing is that SWA an LCC by some standards is heavily unionized have lower fares and they have the top pay in the industry for most if not all the employee groups. I know there are factors that make that happen i.e. same fleet etc... better and more efficient work rules. But they also do not have one VP for every employee like NWA and others seem to have. UAL and NWA always seemed very top heavy to me. But all the A netters will blame the high paid union employees are the root of all evil but SWA trumps that notion..Funny how no one blames management for anything and condones how they line their pockets doesn't matter if they do a good job or not they get paid well anyway.
 
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:41 am

Even though I fly them because i have to to DAY to see my family I would definetly say FL. I say this because I have worked for them in MCO and I flew them before I worked for them. Working for them from Day 1 till the day I threw my badge at them it was a nightmare. There customer service in the small midwest cities is descent but ATL, BWI and MCO is horrible. MCO is a diffrent story and its not there fault because most of them dont speak english there but my vote goes to Aitran....
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:09 pm

As a coach traveler, I find service on LCCs and Legacy carriers to be just about the same-a seat and a soft drink. I fly alot to California from Tucson, so service frequency and fares are important. WN is my airline of choice. US has frequent service through PHX but I dislike the Mesa connection becuase of Rjs, poor ground service and often lateness.
 
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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:06 am

My vote goes to Southwest... Sorry guys had to say it...



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RE: Worst LCC In The USA

Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:12 am

Quoting United319 (Reply 15):
SOUTHWEST!!!!

I dont count US in the LCC's yet. To me, theyre still a legacy carrier. Well see what Parker does in the future, but in the mean time, my vote goes for Southwest. Ive always hated their product and always will. Sorry to all the WN fans, but they just arent my kind of airline.



Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 18):
Southwest Airlines hands down. Southwest has a boring fleet, dirty aircraft, annoying Crew Members, ugly paint scheme, and lack of destinations. I know a lot of people love them but they aint my kind of airline.

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Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 37):
My vote goes to Southwest... Sorry guys had to say it...



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