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Difficult Approach Airports: Europe

Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:57 am

What are some of the difficult approach airports in Europe that are used for commercial, or not just private aircraft?

What comes off the top of my head are LUG, SMV, and maybe even TIV. SMV does not get scheduled traffic, but they do have occasional private B737 came in for landings.
 
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RE: Difficult Approach Airports: Europe

Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:06 am

most of eastern turkey


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RE: Difficult Approach Airports: Europe

Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:35 am

Actually I am not a pilot, but what is with INN

As far as I know it is located in a valley between two mountain rows...
 
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RE: Difficult Approach Airports: Europe

Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:59 am

Try Vagar (Faroe Islands).

Very dangerous and difficult approach.


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The airport is surrounded by mountains, and it's eusually very windy/rainy or foggy/hazy.

Last time I went there, the approach was down the fjord (opposit approach to the one shown on the picture).
Visibility was probably around 1000m and cloudbase was appx 300ft above runway.
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RE: Difficult Approach Airports: Europe

Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:19 am

I would imagine Courcheval, France, is right up there:


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RE: Difficult Approach Airports: Europe

Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:28 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
I would imagine Courcheval, France, is right up there:

Beautiful airport and scenery, but I don't think any scheduled service operates to there.

Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 3):
The airport is surrounded by mountains, and it's eusually very windy/rainy or foggy/hazy.

Only Atlantic Airways and Air Iceland fly out there?
 
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RE: Difficult Approach Airports: Europe

Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:40 am

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Beautiful airport and scenery, but I don't think any scheduled service operates to there.


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Well, this picture has a Tyrolean Airways DH-8...so it has had some charter service. Or maybe it is scheduled during winter skiing season?
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RE: Difficult Approach Airports: Europe

Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:13 am

Quoting Pred02 (Reply 5):
Only Atlantic Airways and Air Iceland fly out there?

Atlantic has about 5-7 scheduled flights a day with destinations in Denmark, Norway, Iceland and Scotland.

I dont know about Air Iceland.

Maersk Air used to fly there (even with 737-200s back in the 1970s & 80s) but they stopped some years ago.

The 737-200s had specially upgraded engines because of the short runway. As a suppliment to the dangerous terrain and at times voilent weather, the runway 13/31 is only 4101 x 98 feet (1250 x 30 meters). Not much room for errors.

In 1996 a Gulfstream III (F-330) of the RDAF crashed on a mountainside on approach to Vagar. The plane, which carried the Danish Commander in Chief, was brought down by violent mountain winds and crashed in inverted position .
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RE: Difficult Approach Airports: Europe

Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting Pred02 (Thread starter):
What are some of the difficult approach airports in Europe that are used for commercial, or not just private aircraft?

The 09 Approach to GIB is tricky due to airspace restrictions from Spain. However with the new "understanding" in place, that may have eased. They are (were) different for civil and military operations as you can see here:

virtualskies.net/cvars/download/LXGB.pdf

Also LJU has some interesting departure route to the North:

http://www.ivao-si.org/charts/LJLJ_4-1.pdf

Edit: I forgot CVU which is one of the Azores (and geologically speaking America so does it qualify?). It has a 400m runway and scheduled services:





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RE: Difficult Approach Airports: Europe

Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:24 am

Similar to Vagar, Longyearbyen (LYR) in Svalbard, Norway suffers from some amazing weather extremes, which coupled with the months of darkness during the winter make for some very difficult approaches. Still, SAS and Braathens maintain several weekly (possibly daily?) services year round.

LCY - London City is also fairly unusual when you consider the steep glide path and the size of jets which fly in there. PLH - Plymouth was the first UK airport certified with such a steep glide-slope, coupled with a very short runway (just over 1100m), high altitude; stuck right between the moors and the sea, this creates some pretty abysmal weather and very difficult approaches into it.

The Isles of Scilly (ISC) is also another difficult one (as are many of the Scottish Isle Airports), 570m long, stuck out in the Atlantic off the tip of Cornwall it's pretty open to the elements, SkyBus only fly Islanders and DHC6's in.


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RE: Difficult Approach Airports: Europe

Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 9):
LCY - London City is also fairly unusual when you consider the steep glide path and the size of jets which fly in there. PLH - Plymouth was the first UK airport certified with such a steep glide-slope, coupled with a very short runway (just over 1100m), high altitude; stuck right between the moors and the sea, this creates some pretty abysmal weather and very difficult approaches into it.

The Isles of Scilly (ISC) is also another difficult one (as are many of the Scottish Isle Airports), 570m long, stuck out in the Atlantic off the tip of Cornwall it's pretty open to the elements, SkyBus only fly Islanders and DHC6's in.

Given the short runway length and the steep approach, limits the type of aircraft allowed to land at LCY, much like LUG and other airports with steep approaches and runways.

It's funny to see so many airports being mentioned in the Balkans.

I am wondering if any pilot is certified to execute these approaches, I am sure in the case of Faroe Islands that those pilots are well trained to handle the conditions. Much like pilots that fly to very north providences of Canada.
 
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RE: Difficult Approach Airports: Europe

Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 1):
most of eastern turkey

Surely Eastern Turkey is Asia Minor.

Funchal is a "Captain's Only" approach for most airlines, captains having to have at least one jump seat ride into the airport prior to handling due to windshear, the runway being elevated on concrete pillars and an upward slope at the approach end.

Gibraltar used to be fum coming in over the dockyard on the Gibair Viscount.
 
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RE: Difficult Approach Airports: Europe

Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:14 am

Mosjoen

St. Tropez

Helgoland

Mannheim

Sion

Bolzano!!

Reggio di Calabria

Firenze

Skiathos
 
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RE: Difficult Approach Airports: Europe

Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:29 pm

Never been to the other airports Mozart is mentioning but Skiathos is certainly not a piece of cake !
 
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RE: Difficult Approach Airports: Europe

Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:31 pm

For a larger airport, how about Templehoff??
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