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Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:39 pm

I nearly every country around the world, each airline is considered to have a natonal flag carrier. For example:

Austraila - Qantas
Austria - Austrian Airlines
Bahrain - Gulf Air
Barbados/Trinidad/Tobago - BWIA
Canada - Air Canada
Chile - Lan Chilly
Cook Islands - Pacific Blue
Cyprus - Air Cyprus
Czech Republic - OK Airlines
Finland - Finnair
France - Air France
Germany - Lufthansa
Greece - Olympic
Holland - KLM
Hungary - Malev
India - Air India
Indonesia - Guarda
Ireland - Aer Lingus
Israel - Tell Al
Italy - Allitalia
Jamaica - Air Jamaica
Japan - Japan Airlines
Kenya - Kenyan Airways
Korea - Asiana
Lebanon - MEA
Malta - Air Malta
Mexico - Mexicana
Morocco - Royal Air Maroc
New Zealand - Air New Zealand
Norway/Denmark/Sweden - Scandanavian (SAS)
Poland - LOT
Portugal - TAP
Romania - Tarom
Russia - Aeroflot
Slovenia - Adria
South Africa - South Africa Airways
Spain - Iberia
Switzland - Swiss
Thailand - Thai
UAE - Emirates
UK - British Airways

Might me a bit controversal - but I would considered it as US Airways? They have a lot of things in their favour to claim that title... For example -
They have named themsleves after the country they decend from.
Thye have base in Washington DC (DCA) - so they serve the nations capital.
They carry the flag on their tails.
They have probably the most mixed international fleet in the US, to show off good international relations. Swedish, Brazillan, British, US, European and Canadian Aircraft.
Considered by many to offer the best service of any of the US carriers.
Have more bases accross the country than other carriers. (PHL, LGA, DCA, BOS, CLT, FLL, LAS, PHX, LAX, HNL)


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Edit Notes - Alaska Airlines removed as part of the US and not a seperate country. (Confirmed with Wikipedia is a state of the USA)

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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:50 pm

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

How about an airline that is proud to bear the name American.

The United States had a flag carrier, Pan Am, and a spare [Trans World] - two airlines that defined our presence in other countries.

American and United come the closest today.

USAirways?  rotfl   rotfl  They might lose the flag in PHL or reroute it to CLT and have it delayed by a week or two...
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:53 pm

I'm going to take this seriously....

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Considered by many to offer the best service of any of the US carriers.

That's debatable depending who you ask. US, like all US carriers, has some large issues. See this thread

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
They have named themsleves after the country they decend from.

I personally believe that AA is better named...

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Alaska - Alaska Airlines

Alaska is not a country.

US has served me well, but i do not believe that they should be considered the USA's flag carrier (no service to Asia, etc...).

Legally, every US airline that flies internationally is a US "flag carrier".

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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:08 pm

Somewhere between "No" and "Hell No"... IMO, the closest the US will ever have to a flag carrier was PanAm. In the case of most of the countries listed above the flag carrier either was a state-owned/controlled airline or had significant ties to the state; the United States has never had a state-owned airline (ok, some could argue JPATS meets this definition, but...)

Under the Federal Aviation Regulations (FARs) virtually any airline that conducts scheduled international operations is considered to be a US flag carrier; one of the identifiers of a flag carrier is the presence of the US Flag near the registation (note, however that some airlines who are not flag carriers also show the flag)

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Considered by many to offer the best service of any of the US carriers.

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Have more bases accross the country than other carriers. (PHL, LGA, DCA, BOS, CLT, FLL, LAS, PHX, LAX, HNL)

Just because they have an inefficient/diverse structure doesn't a flag carrier make.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Holland - KLM

To nitpick, I always thought that the name of the country was "Kingdom of the Netherlands"

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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:39 pm

Well since this is under POLLS . . . I am going to cast my vote for American Airlines hands-down. I always thought most people thought of US Airways as sort of a joke compared to the other legacies IMO.
 
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:56 pm

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 4):
Well since this is under POLLS . . . I am going to cast my vote for American Airlines hands-down. I always thought most people thought of US Airways as sort of a joke compared to the other legacies IMO.

I'm agree with you ATLAaron.

If there are any chance to vote / choose any American flag carrier, my vote goes to American Airlines. After AA, my second vote will go to Delta Air Lines.
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:20 am

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 5):
After AA, my second vote will go to Delta Air Lines.

I would think United after AA, but at least we agree 50% . . . I'll take that!  Wink
 
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:27 am

There is no specific flag carrier for the US. Any carrier that flies internationally, as a US based carrier (scheduled or charter) is a flag carrier, as they "fly the flag" of the US as an operator overseas.

What can now be debated (ad nauseum) is which airline can be THE flag carrier (eventhough there will be no winner, except in the eyes of the poster). Big grin
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:42 am

When I think of "flag" carriers for the United Stated I automatically think of AA and UA.

Thats my thinking anyway!

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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:48 am

WHile a lot of peole would like to use this post to hate on US Airways I must agree with them by saying that US Airways would not be a true representation of the US. I say this because they are a relatively small airline.

Now Americans tend to do everything in a bigger way than the rest. Who better to reflect his than American Airlines. The largest airline in the US and the world. It also bears the name AMERICAN.
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:56 am

In the earlier times of aviation, Pan Am was considered the "flag carrier" of the United States in the eyes of the world. They were International only, and were not permitted to fly any domestic routes for a major part of its existence. To the world, Pan Am was really the only known and seen airline. Travel to the United States was either on the airline of the originating country, or on the flag carrier of the US, Pan Am. TWA came along to be probably a distant second for the title. As now many US airlines fly both domestic and International and are recognized around the world, there really isn't one that is recognized as a "flag carrier" in the way that Pan Am was.

That being said, if we were to try to identify a single airline for the title today, I think it'd be hard to name anyone other than American. Why?

1) The name
2) Size
3) Number of planes and pax carried around the globe annually
4) Number of years it has existed with the original name...one of the longest in the US, along with United
5) Route structure covering Europe, Asia, and South America

Based on these items, US Airways is a very poor pretender, especially with #4 above, length of time existing with that name.

United would be in second place, IMO. No other US airline at all would have even the smallest claim to any such title.
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:50 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
They have named themsleves after the country they decend from.

So does American, United, USAJet, USA3000...

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Thye have base in Washington DC (DCA) - so they serve the nations capital.

So does United and jetBlue at IAD. What's that got to do with anything?

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
They carry the flag on their tails.

They all do, just not as the logo.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
They have probably the most mixed international fleet in the US, to show off good international relations. Swedish, Brazillan, British, US, European and Canadian Aircraft.

See United and Northwest...

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Considered by many to offer the best service of any of the US carriers.

 rotfl 

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Have more bases accross the country than other carriers. (PHL, LGA, DCA, BOS, CLT, FLL, LAS, PHX, LAX, HNL)

So?
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:00 pm

In my experience..hell no! Lost, then soppping wet luggage, the zoo in Philadelphia, a reservation my wife made to get to her dying mother up north for which no record could be found 8 hours after it was made..either through credit card number, confirmation number, or name....no way!
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:25 pm

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Have more bases accross the country than other carriers. (PHL, LGA, DCA, BOS, CLT, FLL, LAS, PHX, LAX, HNL)

US has no crew base in HNL. They do fly there, though.
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:32 pm

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Barbados/Trinidad/Tobago - BWIA

Unless im wrong, i read that BWIA is gone. (maybe under a new name?)

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Israel - Tell Al

i think you mean El Al...

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Italy - Allitalia

Alitalia? .....

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Korea - Asiana

not Korean?

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
They have probably the most mixed international fleet in the US, to show off good international relations.

aaaaaah.....no. No fleet does it for good international relations, they do it for cost effectiveness. An E170 will perfor better than an A321 on back door routes. so its all about the operating costs.
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:32 pm

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 12):

I think the dude was talking about the combination of all these factors, not each one individually.
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:17 pm

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Korea - Asiana

I'm pretty sure it is Korean Air

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
UAE - Emirates

Emirates likes saying they're the flag carrier, but I believe Etihad are the 'real' flag carrier of the UAE.

As for the United States, I don't think they have a real flag carrier. The United States are so large, and have a huge number of airports, so they can't all be serviced by one carrier, while QF in Australia, BA in the UK, LH in Germany, etc. do serve almost all of their airports (except a few mini-regional ones).

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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:42 pm

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Considered by many to offer the best service of any of the US carriers.

hehehehheHEHAHAHAHAHA

I have flown with US once, and never again shall that happen.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Edit Notes - Alaska Airlines removed as part of the US and not a separate country. (Confirmed with Wikipedia is a state of the USA)

hahaha I live in both Alaska and new Zealand, you wouldn't believe how many people think that AK is a separate country... but its sad when someone FROM the "US and A" says that Alaska isn't apart of America. (I realise Gilesdavies is english and Im not getting at him, but there are americans who don't know that we are part of their country)

America doesn't have one flag Airline, we are different from most other places, for better or for worst.
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:21 pm

I think that these airlines are better equipped to be considered "flag carriers," although it should be noted that the US airline industry is relatively deregulated compared to many other nations, and so there isn't just one national carrier as seen in many other countries.

American - Has the name of course, has widebodies, largest airline in the United States, many flights to Europe, Latin America, and some Asia flights.
United - Second biggest airline in the country, name comes from "United States," has widebodies, biggest US airline to fly the 747, many flights to Asia and some flights to Europe and other destinations, hub at Washington (Dulles). Only U.S. airline to serve Australia, as far as I know (except Hawaiian, possibly, but I may be thinking of New Zealand)
Continental - The standard-bearer for international service standards. Hub at New York (Newark). Has widebodies. Has the most international destinations of any U.S. airline (or so their napkins claim).
Delta - Hub at New York (JFK). Has widebodies. Many European flights. Hub at Atlanta, world's busiest airport. Only U.S. airline to serve Africa. Only airline to serve all 50 U.S. states.

Other airlines in the U.S. that serve international destinations, but not as much as the airlines above are:
Northwest (many Asia flights but overshadowed by United, except in Japan)
US Airways (some international flights, has widebodies, but smaller than the others)
Sun Country (Mexico & Caribbean, no widebodies)
Frontier (Mexico & Canada, no widebodies)
Alaska (Decent Mexico presence, no widebodies)
jetBlue (Some Mexico & Caribbean, no widebodies)
Hawaiian (Serves either Australia or New Zealand, or possibly both.
ATA (Flies troops overseas)
Spirit (some Caribbean)

Then, some U.S. airlines are not international at all:
Southwest
Aloha
Allegiant, as far as I know
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:52 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 7):
There is no specific flag carrier for the US. Any carrier that flies internationally, as a US based carrier (scheduled or charter) is a flag carrier, as they "fly the flag" of the US as an operator overseas.

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The United States is huge. Most of the countries listed in the thread starter are small and can't support more than one international airline. We have no flag carrier. It's an anachronistic term used in the glory days of flying. As EWRCabincrew said, any airline registered in the United States is a US flag carrier.

Of course we have Virgin America whose nationality is, well, being clarified......
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:08 pm

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 19):
United - Second biggest airline in the country, name comes from "United States,"

Pretty sure US Airways does too... Though I support American for flag carrier.

[Edited 2007-04-03 15:09:11]
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:38 pm

US Airways the U.S.A flag carrier?????? I think serious drugs are required here!  Smile
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Literally: Yes.
In the sense of being the modern day PA or an equivalent of AF, LH, BA: No.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 17):
Emirates likes saying they're the flag carrier, but I believe Etihad are the 'real' flag carrier of the UAE.

EK is the flag carrier of the Emirate of Dubai, while EY is the flag carrier of Abu Dhabi. However, since I believe Abu Dhabi is the capital of the UAE, I'd guess the title of UAE national carrier would go to EY because they're based in AUH.
 
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:53 am

The term "flag carrier" has no official status. Any airline operating international services can consider itself a flag carrier on the routes it operates. For example, JL and NH are both flag carriers of Japan. AM and MX are both flag carriers of Mexico. EK and EY are both flag carriers of the UAE, etc etc.

Even when Pan Am existed, while they liked to think of themselves as the US flag carrier, it had no official status and TWA was just as much a US flag carrier to Europe as Pan Am, as was Northwest to Japan and Asia, and Braniff to South America.

Obviously if a country only has one airline operating international services, by default it becomes the flag carrier.
 
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:19 am

As stated before, UA and AA are definitely considered the replacement flag carriers for Pan Am and TWA respectively, each inheriting many of these two airlines' route authorities. Examples include UA in Asia, AA in Latin America, both of them at LHR etc. Around the world, I think most people are familiar with United and American, followed by Continental and Delta. Northwest to some extent in Asia but while potentially larger due to the bigger use of the NRT hub, still overshadowed by United and the Star Alliance there.
 
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:51 am

AA has as much a diverse fleet as US. LOL

A300 - Europe
MD80 - US
B7X7 - US
ERJ - Brazil
CRJ -Canada

I would say DL, UA, and AA are the major players when it comes to the US "flag."
 
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Israel - Tell Al

UMMM no ! How about ELעל ALאל !!!!

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
UAE - Emirates

No Etihad was named by the UAE government as the natioanl carrier. Emirates is the carrier of the emirate of Dubai



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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:28 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Chile - Lan Chilly

Lan Chile

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Czech Republic - OK Airlines

CSA Czech Airlines

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Israel - Tell Al

El Al

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Italy - Allitalia

Alitalia

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Korea - Asiana

Korean Air

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
South Africa - South Africa Airways

South African Airways

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
UAE - Emirates

Etihad

American is obviously the national airline. They are the biggest in the country.
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:01 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
UK - British Airways

Not any more!! They lost that when they changed there scheme to the world colours and gave it to Virgin and loss a lot of customers!!
Even Lady Thatcher said when they revieled there World Colour Schemes "WE fly the flag!!"

Thats why VA aircraft now have the lady with the Union Flag flying behind her rather than a red skirt

They then changed it to the new colours which has a quarter of the union flag now on the tails but still not the flag carrier of the UK
 
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:58 am

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 24):
As stated before, UA and AA are definitely considered the replacement flag carriers for Pan Am and TWA respectively, each inheriting many of these two airlines' route authorities. Examples include UA in Asia, AA in Latin America, both of them at LHR etc.

UA and AA didn't "inherit" route authorities from Pan Am and TWA. They bought them when PA/TW were looking for ways to generate cash.

And DL wound up with almost all former PA routes to Europe except the UK.

And AA didn't take over take over Pan Am route authorities to Latin America, they took over Eastern's which had bought, or technically leased, Braniff's routes to South America shortly before Braniff shut down. UA acquired Pan Am's former routes to South America.
 
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:26 pm

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 4):
I always thought most people thought of US Airways as sort of a joke compared to the other legacies IMO.


Agreed. When there is so many unions involved at one airline, nothing works for the common good.
Turn your eyes toward:
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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:57 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Edit Notes - Alaska Airlines removed as part of the US and not a seperate country. (Confirmed with Wikipedia is a state of the USA)

Thanks for the confirmation.

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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:37 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Israel - Tell Al

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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Sun May 06, 2007 1:12 pm

Quoting Spartanmjf (Reply 1):
American and United come the closest today.

Delta is right up there with them!

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 18):
Delta - Hub at New York (JFK). Has widebodies. Many European flights. Hub at Atlanta, world's busiest airport. Only U.S. airline to serve Africa. Only airline to serve all 50 U.S. states.

Many European flights? THE MOST European flights!! The only US Carrier to serve 5 continents NONSTOP from JFK!


AFAIK, any US airline displaying the US Flag is a 'US Flag Carrier' , to wit...

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RE: Is US Airways The USA's Flag Carrier Airline?

Mon May 07, 2007 4:18 pm

It's kind of dumb to correct my own post, but at least I'll do it before someone else does:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 18):
Then, some U.S. airlines are not international at all:
...
Midwest

I remembered that Midwest (as Midwest Connect) serves Toronto.
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