marksixel
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Commuter Airlines - Your Best Ideas

Mon May 28, 2007 1:15 am

I need help from the best minds on airliners.net. A lot of you, I suppose, work on the frontlines in the industry and probably have some great ideas on what works, doesn't work.

Let's say I wanted to start a U.S. based commuter airline. What are some of your best ideas as to how such an airline should be structured, from routes, to aircraft, to crew recruiting / retention / advancement, to pay scales, synergisitic businesses, etc.

What are your ideas on what a profitable, consumer and community driven commuter airline would look like.

You may see the best ideas incorporated into a regional commuter airline in the next few months.

Thanks for your help.
 
RJNUT
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RE: Commuter Airlines - Your Best Ideas

Mon May 28, 2007 1:27 am

I would start the conversation with Q400!!!

draw a 600 mile circle around a city such as Toledo and run 2/3 x daily to largest o/d markets not served by a legacy carrier and then also offer some limited thru- connections via your HUB! and make sure you are in the GDS systems!

I think incentive pay would be good for all employees and make it really substantial! make them have a real stake in matters!

ths formula could be duplicated in similar size communites, almost like a franchise and the comunity woudl invest!


AND get input and support from your travel agency community!!
 
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RE: Commuter Airlines - Your Best Ideas

Mon May 28, 2007 2:08 am

I would start with Jetstream aircrafts wet-leased from BAe.

There are many aircrafts available at a good price and to start and prove in many routes, in my opinion, is the ideal prop.

After it, and if numbers are really good, you can try the Q400 (very expensive) or Fokker 100's where there are, too, many availables.

Regards,

Gerard
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srbmod
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RE: Commuter Airlines - Your Best Ideas

Tue May 29, 2007 9:10 am

Would definitely focus on using turboprop a/c, as for true regional flights, the lower operating costs of a turboprop offset the speed advantage that regional jets have.

I think an operation using primarily EMB-120ERs (Can hold more bags than a standard version without having to leave folks behind. Brasilias built after 1994 are primarily the ER standard, airlines like ASA did convert a number of their RTs to the ER version as none of their Brasilias were delivered after 1994.) is the ideal way to go. SkyWest has had them as their turboprop mainstay for years and still operate the type even after other Brasilia operators have retired the type in favor of RJs (Comair, ASA [They still have a turboprop in their fleet though, the ATR-72], and Continental Express [although the type reappeared under CO Connection service]) and don't even look like they'll be retiring them soon (especially since there isn't a replacement for the type). Not sure how many EMB-120s are stored around the US, but there's probably more than enough to put together a decent fleet.
 
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RE: Commuter Airlines - Your Best Ideas

Wed May 30, 2007 4:13 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 3):
Not sure how many EMB-120s are stored around the US, but there's probably more than enough to put together a decent fleet.

Where are they stored (are there any on/close to the East Coast?), and how much do they cost?

[Edited 2007-05-29 21:14:02]
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srbmod
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RE: Commuter Airlines - Your Best Ideas

Wed May 30, 2007 7:47 am

Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 4):
Where are they stored (are there any on/close to the East Coast?), and how much do they cost?

I know that quite a few ex-EV ones were parked @ Hot Spring, AR, but not sure how many remain there. There's a company based there that has them for sale, but I'm not sure how up to date their website is.

http://www.diamondlakesaviation.com/pages/sales.html
 
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RE: Commuter Airlines - Your Best Ideas

Wed May 30, 2007 7:43 pm

I have had a wild idea in my mind for some time. I would suggest starting a commuter airline to serve small underserved communities. All employees would be retired people from the airline industry, who have pensions. Their pay from the president to ramp worker would receive minimum wage. They would work for love of the industry.

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