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Freedom Air Any Better Than Mesa?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:02 pm

Hi guys,

I'm flying on Freedom Air (DL Connection) tomorrow GSP-CVG on an ERJ and was just wondering if the overall service and quality of Freedom Air is any better than Mesa?

I understand that the two are owned by the same guy, but do they have different managements?

Thanks.
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EMBQA
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RE: Freedom Air Any Better Than Mesa?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:06 pm

Nope... they are one in the same.
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RE: Freedom Air Any Better Than Mesa?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:59 pm

At Freedom Air, they serve full hot meals, champaign and they have on board swimming pools... While at Mesa you will be put in a box in the cargo hold. Also Freedom Air never has inflight turbulence due to superior flying skills of their pilots   ... oh well from a passenger perspective, there can't be much difference from one DHC-8, ERJ or CRJ flight or the other, I imagine. Only when things go wrong or huge dalays you'll see the difference between bad service and good.

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RE: Freedom Air Any Better Than Mesa?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:17 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
Nope... they are one in the same.

OK, that's what I was expecting.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 2):
oh well from a passenger perspective, there can't be much difference from one DHC-8, ERJ or CRJ flight or the other, I imagine. Only when things go wrong or huge dalays you'll see the difference between bad service and good.

Hahaha, well, the flight is going out completely full tomorrow, so I hope there's no trouble.

Thanks for the replies.  Smile
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RE: Freedom Air Any Better Than Mesa?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:13 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 2):
At Freedom Air, they serve full hot meals, champaign and they have on board swimming pools... While at Mesa you will be put in a box in the cargo hold. Also Freedom Air never has inflight turbulence due to superior flying skills of their pilots ... oh well from a passenger perspective, there can't be much difference from one DHC-8, ERJ or CRJ flight or the other, I imagine. Only when things go wrong or huge dalays you'll see the difference between bad service and good.

LMAO!!! Great! I am booking a flight ASAP!
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RE: Freedom Air Any Better Than Mesa?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:17 am

As others have said, Freedom and Mesa are all the same. Though Mesa's quality can differ between the carriers they fly for.
 
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RE: Freedom Air Any Better Than Mesa?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:40 am

I've flown freedom several times... MCO-MIA, TLH-TPA, TPA-RDU etc. The service is no different than any other delta connection carrier. The ERJ's are in good shape on the inside, and you get the same snack selection as all other DL Connection carriers. (peanuts, cookies, crackers)
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RE: Freedom Air Any Better Than Mesa?

Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:58 am

I was an F/A for both, thankfully I've moved on to greener pastures. The company considers them two different entities, so if you are at Mesa and want to transfer to freedom, you have to go through a separate ground school. Freedom's management (base supervisors, IOE instructors) are MUCH higher quality then what we had over at mesa (in my opinion) they were a smaller group, and had the organizational skills mesa lacked! They did all their own tech ops publications, many things were shared however. They also have their own announcements...etc. Mesa was a lot bigger than freedom, so if you go to Mesa stations in ORD, IAD (where the average F/A seniority is 6-12months) its an absolute mess of inexperience. But if you fly mesa out of the "homeland" in PHX where a lot of the F/As and pilots, agents, have been around for years, the product is much better. MCO is that way for freedom. In fact, a lot of the freedom management (in-flight) are freedom "A listers" They were the original new hires when Mesa created freedom back in the day for the start of the 900 flying to get around the US Airways scope clause. Freedom died briefly as you know, and the 900s were brought back to mesa, however YV kept one B1900 on the freedom certificate, when it eventually signed the Delta contract, freedom was a very implemental part of that contract and was soley mesa's tool for a "delta connection" provider. Hope that helps.
 
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RE: Freedom Air Any Better Than Mesa?

Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:01 pm

Hahahahahahah Freedom. Wow, Mesa with jungle jets in Delta colors. Their MX department is deploreable, pilot pay right on scale and by that I mean Delta ticket agents make a good 2K a year more than them. They have terrible on time percentage and to top it off oh did I mention all of their pilots are what I like to call 500 hour wonders who went to RAA and think they know about flying. My best freind used to work almost all Freedom flights at MCO in the evening at Comair on the ramp. He tells me horror stories along with my experinces of the company to boot. Mesa has a leg up on these guys though not by much. All it really is is a certificate diffrence when it all boils down to it. They have low completion rates as well.
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