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Airline Pilot Salaries

Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:51 am

I might be crazy for asking these questions or having these dreams but at the age of 25 years old, i guess i just been crazy lately. I have even been called a nut, a crazyman and even a$$hole for learning to fly planes. I fly Cessna172SP G1000s out of Farmingdale Republic with Academy of Aviation as my flight school. I have 3 logged hours so far. Anyways I am going for my ATP and as some of you already know, going for a Bachelor's degree in Aircraft operations in Vaughn College of Aeronautics and Technology starting September 4th. I guess i am crazy, because i was wondering if any of you could tell me what does a average Airline pilot make annually? possibly monthly if u have that information as well. I would also love to own possibly my own plane one day. I guess i really am crazy, but one way to enjoy life is to try to achieve some of these dreams rather than dreaming them and not putting forth any effort to making them happen. Thats whats been happening to me lately. I have been dreaming of being a Pilot since i was 16 years old. Finally i put faith and dreams into action, allowing me to finally achieve these dreams. So anyone who can help, your help is greatly appreciated!
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:05 am

airlinepilotcentral.com (all the pay for most of the US Carriers and a few other carriers)

Your dream of owning your own plane isnt something that's farfetched, albeit its not gonna happen in the first years of you flying for an airline, youre gonna be ridden with debt and the pay usually isnt enormous. However, i met a skywest pilot who flies EMB 120's and he had his own aircraft.
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:59 am

Since there's a chance you're interested in JetBlue, I'm sure you'll love the hourly pay for the E190:

1st year FO: $47
2nd year FO: $50

I suppose it's better than the $35/hr at AS for first year right seaters on the 737. AS, however, goes up to $62 for the second year. Pay scales for the airlines are drastically different in some cases, so it's best to just look around. As aforementioned:
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines.html
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:27 am

www.airlinepilotcentral.ocm

Best payscale site out there.
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:35 pm

Uncle has been with AA for 29 yrs. He just turned 50. Was hired straight out of college in 1978.

Flew the 727 as FE, DC10 as FO, MD80 as FO, MD80 as Capt, 757 and 767 as Check Airman.

Made Capt in 9 yrs. Has been a Check Airman the last 11 yrs. DFW based for 12 yrs, MIA based for 8,
and ORD based for the past 9 yrs.

He's somewhere around 200/9,000+ active pilots on seniority, a Sr International Capt, Check Airman, and Federal Flight Deck Officer.

Last time he got a raise was circa 2002. He's pulling in 250k/yr.


Get your CFI and build those hours.

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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:42 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
He just turned 50. Was hired straight out of college in 1978.

Did he serve? What did he fly?

Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
Get your CFI and build those hours.

Yep, one of the best ways or start with a regional with minimal play

Hold on tight to your dreams!

Yes, but 250K is insane, F#$%. Sheesh.

Quoting Acey (Reply 2):
Since there's a chance you're interested in JetBlue, I'm sure you'll love the hourly pay for the E190:
1st year FO: $47
2nd year FO: $50

What are the minimums there? Would be nice if the regionals started there. Most Regional's start at a disgusting 20 bucks an hr. With Minimum hours (80hrs), i would be making equal amount of money working at McDonalds, LOL. Then again its flying and its a long term investment.
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:11 pm

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 5):
Would be nice if the regionals started there. Most Regional's start at a disgusting 20 bucks an hr.

Right you are:
ZW 1st year FO: $24
MQ 1st year FO: $24
XE 1st year FO: $23
OH 1st year FO: $22
OO 1st year FO: $19
They're all pretty much in the same boat...it's only the first year I suppose so things do improve from there. Like others have said, you better not get into aviation hoping to be rich. It's a tough road.
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:56 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
Has been a Check Airman the last 11 yrs.

Whats a Check Airman?
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:57 am

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 5):
Did he serve? What did he fly?

Negative.

Jim was giving lessons at the ripe age of 17. Seeing the look on many 30-40 year olds taking their first flight lesson from a 17 year old was priceless. Heck, seeing passengers get on a 727 or DC10 and being greeted by a pilot that looked under 20 was better (according to him).

You'd be surprised the number of guys making it with military time has been rapidly decreasing. It's not out of the question to do 500 TT, get hired at a regional, get 1500 and your ATP, and be on your way to flying for a major.

The fighter jocks are still trolling the friendly skies though. Jim did ORD-DUB last Friday with a A10 pilot, and Monday ferried a 752 from DFW-ATL with a F15 guy. They took the St. Louis Cardinals baseball team home. He met Puljos!  rotfl 


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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 7):
Whats a Check Airman?

FAA site


Basically, he's an instructor for the carrier/operator. He's held to higher standards in every level of proficiency of the aircraft he's teaching on (757/767). He gives instruction during flight. It could be a F/O getting promoted to Captain or just a check ride for a Captain on Atlantic or South American qualifications.

Last Friday, he took a Captain on ORD-DUB and rechecked him for Atlantic flying.

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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:33 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 8):
Heck, seeing passengers get on a 727 or DC10 and being greeted by a pilot that looked under 20 was better (according to him).

haha, would have liked to see some people's faces when they met a 20yr old Pilot

Quoting Acey (Reply 6):
you better not get into aviation hoping to be rich

True, its a long journey like you said.
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 10):
20yr old Pilot

He was 21 turning 22 when hired, but you get the gist of it.  yes 

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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
Last time he got a raise was circa 2002. He's pulling in 250k/yr.

Not any more. all the airlines have taken pay cuts no one is making that now except maybe FedEx


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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:06 am

There is a thread of PPRUNE at the moment regarding this where a number of pilots have stated what they earn.

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=271434

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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:21 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
Uncle has been with AA for 29 yrs. He just turned 50. Was hired straight out of college in 1978.

Sounds alot like a friend of mine who just retired a few years back from UA as a 747 Capt. He went from truck driving to the right seat at UAL very quickly. At the time, UAL was desperate for new pilots-putting employment ads in the Denver paper. He had less than 500 hours total time and a minimum twin rating but no IFR rating. UAL told him that if he got his IFR ticket by the date the next class started, he would be hired as a FO. He got the rating and got hired. Just goes to show that coming along at the right place and time can make a difference.
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:33 pm

A major consideration must be do you only see flying as fun or do you understand that a professional pilot will have to fly when it's safe but perhaps not fun. There is a difference between a hobby and a vocation. Of course, it's best to enjoy the activity of your trade. This is important because making flying a career choice involves patience, sacrifice, perhaps not getting compensated well considering the training involved, expense, responsibility and many other factors.

If you are only seeking top pay for a perception of easy and pleasurable work, you should talk to many professional pilots and other airline or corporate employees and consider the facts in comparison with other career paths. But, if you fully understand what is involved and are dedicated to being a professional aviator, then welcome aboard.
 
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:54 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
He's pulling in 250k/yr.

Nice! Almost makes me want to reconcider my carrer dream of IT.
 
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:50 am

Quoting Mdodd (Reply 16):
Nice! Almost makes me want to reconcider my carrer dream of IT.

he is not pulling in 250K a year, that is incorrect, maybe 160K, still better than IT these days (unless you're established)
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:06 am

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 17):

Unless he moved to a 777 as captain, 250K seems close to the real thing. More passenger capacity and the left seat make plenty of difference.
 
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:53 pm

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 17):
still better than IT these days

Yeah starting salary is about 60K..which is not bad, really, coming streight out of college.
 
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting Rlorenzo24 (Reply 18):
Unless he moved to a 777 as captain, 250K seems close to the real thing. More passenger capacity and the left seat make plenty of difference.

not even 777 guys make 250 K at AA anymore. like I said, 170ish is around the max. Still very good pay yet these guys still whine!
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:05 pm

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 20):
ot even 777 guys make 250 K at AA anymore. like I said, 170ish is around the max. Still very good pay yet these guys still whine!

I did his taxes for him. He's making that much. 249*88*12 = $248,004

Guaranteed 83 hrs of 777 Captain pay at 30 yrs seniority. He gets a premium for international pay, check airman, and is on A and B fund for retirement. He's #198/8,959 on the food chain.

BTW, you've added nothing to this thread.
 
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:45 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 21):
I did his taxes for him. He's making that much. 249*88*12 = $248,004

I have friends at AA who are on the 777, I can assure you he's not making what you claim. The longevity pay tops out at 12 years, so that's not a factor.

If you're going to post, please post accurate information. Right now UPS and FEDEX are the two highest paying carriers in the US. (Now you can't accuse me of not adding anything!)
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:49 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 21):
I did his taxes for him. He's making that much. 249*88*12 = $248,004

Why is a ramper doing complicated taxes LOL.


Check airmen can make more for sure.

You are implying that 250K is normal for airline pilots, it's not, the Mean for majors these days for a normal person is 80K or so (F/O included)

Telling JetBlue he will make 250K is not correct.
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:57 am

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 22):

Human lives are worth more than a bunch of boxes. I don't think cargo airlines pay more than passenger ones. It simply doesn't make literal sense.

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 20):

Not only do they whine, but they take the toilet paper from hotel rooms because they don't want to pay for them. A lot of them give the word frugal a whole new meaning.
 
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:59 am

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 12):
no one is making that now except maybe FedEx

And UPS, as mentioned.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 21):
Guaranteed 83 hrs of 777 Captain pay at 30 yrs seniority.

After 12 years it makes no world of difference, as mentioned.

Quoting Rlorenzo24 (Reply 24):
I don't think cargo airlines pay more than passenger ones. It simply doesn't make literal sense.

Don't make statements like that if you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. See for yourself.

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/

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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:31 am

Quoting Acey (Reply 25):
Don't make statements like that if you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. See for yourself.

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/

That's laughable your using that site for your information. It's full of misleading information.
 
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:34 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 26):
That's laughable your using that site for your information. It's full of misleading information.

You claim to work for FedEx but can't confirm that your pilots make more than all the passenger airlines? All the payscales on the site are accurate. No airline is obliged to pay their pilots more because "a box is worth more than a human life". That's the only thing that's laughable here.
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:50 am

Quoting Rlorenzo24 (Reply 24):
Human lives are worth more than a bunch of boxes. I don't think cargo airlines pay more than passenger ones. It simply doesn't make literal sense.



Quoting FXramper (Reply 26):
That's laughable your using that site for your information. It's full of misleading information.

Um no it's well regarded FedEx and UPS are the best paid, AA is not. something smells fishy, and it's not coming from my kitchen.
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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:03 am

Quoting Acey (Reply 27):
You claim to work for FedEx but can't confirm that your pilots make more than all the passenger airlines?

Where in my replies did I state FedEx pilots aren't well paid? What does a Operations Manager have to do with paying pilots? I'll start polling our pilots that jumpseat to MEM and report back to you.

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 28):
Um no it's well regarded FedEx and UPS are the best paid

Give me a break...every airline has pilots making really good money and every airline has pilots that are bottom feeders. I bet those FX pilots flying reserve on the 727 and A310 are all rolling in cash.

 Yeah sure

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 28):
are the best paid, AA is not

Where did anyone in this thread state AA pilots are the highest paid?

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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:58 am

It used to be said that pilots earned too much money for what they were doing on an everyday basis. But once in a while (in the 1930s it used to be once a year) he would face a situation that made him wish that he could just hand back every penny he had earned since the last crisis if it would let him be somewhere else.
Why the interval between these major crises was so short as one year in the early versions of the saying, was because most of the incidents that made the pilot earn his last years pay in 30 seconds had to do with flying through thunderstorms.

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RE: Airline Pilot Salaries

Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:53 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 29):
I bet those FX pilots flying reserve on the 727 and A310 are all rolling in cash.

They are, compared to the guys flying reserve on B6's E190's.
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