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If You Were In Charge Of An Airline?

Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:29 am

If you were In charge an airline and you merged with another airline
say you had no DC-9/MD-80/B717 model
and you merged with an airline with many B717"s
(no merger speculation here)  laughing 
would you keep the B717'S  Confused



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RE: If You Were In Charge Of An Airline?

Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:36 am

Yes

They are great airplanes and to my knowledge cost effective in there own way.
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RE: If You Were In Charge Of An Airline?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:18 pm

Depends on many things from a business POV if you had a large CRJ or EJet operation you'd be stupid to operate a second type. Not sure how many airframes you're talking about but you'd be extremely limited in future expansion and present 717 operators wouldn't want to part with their aircraft maybe keeping the aircraft and leasing them out to other operators.





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RE: If You Were In Charge Of An Airline?

Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:55 am

Thank You For Responding All

Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 2):
Depends on many things from a business POV if you had a large CRJ or EJet operation you'd be stupid to operate a second type.

Ok no CRJ or E-jet operation

Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 2):
Not sure how many airframes you're talking about

lets say 25...


Thanks again for your responses!

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RE: If You Were In Charge Of An Airline?

Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:02 am

I would lease them out to other airlines as I wouldnt want to have to many aircraft types in my fleet. For example if I had a large International airline (that also operates domestic) I would have say; 744's, 333's, 32S's and maybe some 787's. I wouldnt want to add a new type when I already have aircraft capable of operating those routes
 
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RE: If You Were In Charge Of An Airline?

Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:46 am

Whatever business decisions I made about routes, planes, staffing, fuel, and everything else, my highest priority would be CONTINGENCY PLANS!!

  • Snowstorms in winter - how am I going to deal with massive cancellations or re-routings?

  • Thunderstorms do happen - how am I going to get people where they're supposed to be?

  • Computer problems - am I going to shut down the airline and let one underpaid gate agent try and deal with a rioting mob?

    I don't have the answers, but if I'm in business for my life, I'm certainly going to face reality and try and deal with the situations that arise.
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    RE: If You Were In Charge Of An Airline?

    Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:57 am

    Yes i would, and would put them on

      AMA-LAX
      *AMA-EWR
      *AMA-MCO
      *AMA-ORD
      *AMA-DTW
      *AMA-CVG
      *AMA-AUS
      *AMA-ATL
      *AMA-BNA
      *AMA-SEA
      *AMA-SFO
      *AMA-PHX
      And the Flagship route
      *AMA-DFW  Wink


    This airline would cease operations 3 days after it started these routes Big grin
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    RE: If You Were In Charge Of An Airline?

    Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:39 am

    To answer the lead post, I would keep the 717s. Their drawback is range, only around 1600 miles or thereabouts.
    The 737 and scarebusses have better range, so I would complement the 717s with 737-800s. Here, I get range and capacity.
    Add a few RJ's namely EM-170-175's. If I needed a widebody, I would go with 787 or A330...not sure which at this time.
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    RE: If You Were In Charge Of An Airline?

    Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:28 pm

    Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 7):
    To answer the lead post, I would keep the 717s. Their drawback is range, only around 1600 miles or thereabouts.

    Since we were merging with an existing airline that has 25 717s I would assume they are assigned to specific routes within their own capabilities, and they don't routinely plop them in the ocean due to an inability to reach their intended destination. My airline however does not use the 717 because it does not fit our business model or because we have a competitors aircraft in our fleet. It might be worthwhile to sell the 717s while they still have some value in them and then over time order more of whatever aircraft we have so we can commonise the merged fleet.
    Or if their hub is far enough away and there is no duplication of routes then keep them as they are and run a larger aircraft between the two hubs.
    Or if they are getting in our way we could (TWA) them and just make them go away!
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    RE: If You Were In Charge Of An Airline?

    Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:22 am

    Quoting ERJ135 (Reply 8):
    User currently onlineERJ135

    Sorry, I dont understand your post with my quote as a lead.
    I do not know anything about YOUR airline. Is it fictitious like mine? I do not understand the ocean part.
    I dont think I in tented international....matter of fact, I did not.
    Sell the 717? Who the hell would buy em? AirTran? Say I compete with them on certain routes. They are the
    LAST airline I would sell planes to. They would use em against me....not a smart business move. In real life,airlines
    have done this and have paid dearly. Thats why it not done much anymore.
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    RE: If You Were In Charge Of An Airline?

    Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:25 pm

    isitsafenow. Very sorry, only quoted because you had an issue with the range of the 717, I was not having a go at you. The restricted range of the 717 does not seem to be a problem with any real world airline that operates them.

    You also asked a lot of other questions not related to the original quote.

    The original post said "if you were in charge of an Airline" So I am assuming that I have some fictitious airline, there were no details in the original post as to what My, yours or anyone elses airlines was like, so it's guess work.
    We are supposed to be merging with another carrier that has 25 717s in their fleet. Again I have to assume that these 717's were actually being used and therefore the "range" would not be an issue. An Airline like Hawaiian uses 717's on inter Island services (domestic) but couldn't fly them to LAX for example (Domestic) Because they wouldn't make the distance and they would end up?
    Since my airline is fictitious and the merging carrier that own 25 fictitcious 717's is also fictitcious, I would sell them to some other fictitious airline that wants them. That other airline could be on the other side of the planet so duplication wouldn't be an issue. This is not real life.
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    RE: If You Were In Charge Of An Airline?

    Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:38 pm

    717 I would keep, If there were markets that worked that we had little foothold in, we would deploy them there and hopefully open up new markets. However, if it dosn't work, it doesn't work. Which must have been why AA decided to sell them  Wink
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    RE: If You Were In Charge Of An Airline?

    Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:15 pm

    Yeah a whole lot newer than the DC-9. I wouldn't care but it might make the passengers feel a little more confortable.  Smile
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    RE: If You Were In Charge Of An Airline?

    Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:56 am

    Quoting ERJ135 (Reply 10):

    Hi and sorry I didn't answer sooner...been a little busy today....Yep, its all make believe at least my airline was.
    Thats why I named the equipment I would wish to have for my airline.........lets call it "Delayless" Airways..
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    Now there's a fictitious airline, for SURE.
    LOL
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    RE: If You Were In Charge Of An Airline?

    Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:39 am

    Quoting Curticool (Thread starter):
    would you keep the B717'S

    Yes! I am a BMW maniac and 717 have BMW engines! Big grin Big grin Big grin
     
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    RE: If You Were In Charge Of An Airline?

    Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:09 pm

    Yes, I would, if I had short routes where they could be used (e.g. shuttle services between DAL/DFW and IAH/HOU or likewise). I think, they are very economic for those short haul routes.

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