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Air Travel For Dummies. Habits We Hate Or Love

Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:23 pm

I know this has been posted before (i think twice) but the most recent one was I think three years old so let's bring it back!
We all love air travel I assume, but there is always that one person (or people or airline policies) that sets us off to a bad start to our flight experience. I have some that always makes me want to  banghead 

RUDE PASSENGERS- All those passengers that are true believers of "I hate the airline industry" campaigns and always go about the airport with a big  grumpy  beign rude to check-in agents and flight attendants during flights. Those jobs go too often unappreciated and they don't really need all that hate when it's not their fault they can't accomodate them in the next flight because they missed their original flight etc.

LINE CUTTERS- Surprisingly I've run into my share of these folks. When in line to check in, there is always that one group of "baseball players" or "church groups" or what not that have one or two people standing in line, and just before they reach the front, a whole horde of chaperones and kids cut in pushing the line back another thirty feet.

OUT-OF-CONTROL-CHILDREN- I understand an infant crying over hunger or discomfort and I'll even sympathise with the parents, but when the five-year-old throws a tantrum in the gate or at 35,000 ft and you know you are stuck with nowhere else to go, it really makes my blood boil.

IMPATIENT PASSENGERS- These guys are always attentive at the gate. As soon as they see small movements from the staff at the gate they mill over to the front of the gate to be the first to board. Surprisingly, I've seen this often even in assigned seating flights. People: you are about to be up there in the plane for a very long time, what is the hurry in being the first in there if you will be urging to get up and stretch five minutes into the flight!!! WHAT'S THE HURRY???

"CASUAL" FLYERS- This is my biggest peeve! I know you don't have to rent a tux for your flight to Las Vegas with your friends but those who go to the extremes of wearing athletic shorts, sleeveless shirts, and sandals with their hat backwards to go to the beach or wearing fleece sweats for overnight flights and tangled hair just make me MAAAD!!!  gnasher  I'm not asking for the MIlan fashion show up there, but whatever happened to "glamorous flying". I like to see the business suit, the professional skirt and what not on adults, and something casual but elegant for the non-business traveller. I always fly with an untucked stripped polo shirt, and my jeans with sneakers. I'm not asking for anything more or less. Let's bring beauty to flying back starting with attire!

So that's my rant on what I hate. I'll later on put what I love about flying. I want to know what YOU like and hate about your trip to the airport.

Cheers!

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Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:04 pm

Can't disagree with any of them...
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RE: Air Travel For Dummies. Habits We Hate Or Love

Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:07 pm

Quoting Ayubogg (Thread starter):
"CASUAL" FLYERS

i agree on all of your accounts, esp. this one i can't stand it when there is that guy that sits next to you who didn't shave, He's wearing that muscle shirt but really he doesn't have any muscle to show other then the hairy arm pit where he forgot to put on deodorant then he wears shorts with jandels and yes... the hat... even at school I dont get these kids that wear the big hats backwards or to the side, and i can't stand it even more on the airplane.
If Im packing light I'll wear a long sleeve shirt, nice jeans, and my Sketcher leather shoes, if im not as tight on what I can bring, or if Im traveling internationally (esp. when by myself) I wear a button-up shirt with slacks or dress pants, and depending on what the circumstances are a tie and a nice Line-7 jacket/sports coat.

I also can't stand people that cut in line. My flight from AKL-LAX was late arriving one time and then the business class carousel was broken so all the bags were coming out of one carousel which slowed it up for everyone, we were all late for connecting flights yet this one guys decides that he is special "My flight leaves in 20 minutes, I have to cut in front of you." the only problem is he still had to go through immigration and change terminals and such... no way he would make it. It also didn't help that on this occasion he had cut line in AKL as well. well luckily some joker in line piped up and said "bugger off, we're all in the same boat, you wont make your flight, get in the back of the line."

I think you covered the majour topics there. Although I must add that I hate it when airlines dont allow me into the lounge because Im under 21... long story, but to make it short when ever I try to get into the AS board room by myself they wont let me since Im under 21 and they have a bar. which is understandable, but my argument to that is any international airlines lounge I've tried to go into (both in America and outside) have always let me in regardless of my age and almost all of them have alcohol just sitting in a chiller for anyone to grab where as at AS there is an actual server behind a bar so I wouldnt' even be able to get any alcohol to start with. So I think when I walk in with a paid first class ticket, I hold an MVP card and I am dressed properly and over the age of 16 that it is fine.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:41 pm

Thanks for the lead post.....I do apx 100-130 legs a year. I also loath the Richard Simmons look in flip-flops.
Sitting next to or being in line next to some athletic dink in a tank-top, gym shorts and flip-flops is my pet peeve
on your topic. I feel someone should hand this guy some Right Guard in public and embarrass the hell of of him and
his traveling companions. Maybe he will get the message that shorts and a golf shirt with Reeboks can work better in public..
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Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:06 am

One thing I don't get is when everyone rushes out of their seat when the plane pulls up to the gate only to find themselves crammed together standing in the aisles for a long time. This especially dumb when sitting in the rear of a single aisle aircraft. Often I'll just sit & wait until the line moves or when just about everyone gets off.
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Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:51 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):

Yes, people are very stupid. They don't realize that if they do that, they will get crammed together. I also stay until everyone is off. I do that: 1) to get my safety cards, and 2) to talk to the pilots and get them to fill out my missing info in my flightlog.

People that use their cell phones right until the plane leaves. It all annoys me, especially the ones that talk VERY LOUD so everyone else can hear them.

People that think they are better and more important than everyone else.

Crying and screaming kids. Well, the ones that have parents that don't do anything about it.

People that are just loud on flights.
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Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:56 am

People that unbuckle and stand up when the aircraft stops at an intersection after landing. I always get a good chuckle out of this.
 
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Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:21 am

People that pull your seat WAYYY back when getting up. (Happened on one of my last flights, Grrr)

People that don't understand a touch-screen PTV doesn't mean a punch-screen. (Happened on my last flight, really irked me)

Loud talkers. (Happened on my last flight, couldn't get to sleep)

I'd like to restate what the original poster has said. People that crowd around the gate when the gate agents just begin boarding... Alright, it's ok if your Zone 2. But when I am trying to figure out where the line starts when I am trying to board in Zone 4 and I see Zone 9 boarding passes all over the place, you just need to take a seat and come back up in 5 minutes when it's your turn.

Airlines should make a policy on this. ^ If I were a gate agent, I'd strictly enforce it.
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Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:36 am

These are what really peeve me off, both for being a passenger and from being a check in/gate agent:

CROWDED GATES: It really annoys me when I'm doing a pre-boarding announcement and 3/4s of the flight gets up and stands in a line at the gate! Sit back down! What's the rush? We aint gona leave without you, well unless your nowhere in sight!

DEMANDING PASSENGERS: I really hate it when (elite) passengers tell me to put a priority tag or they bag or a short connection sticker! I can quite clearly see from my set if your elite or require a short connection sticker, I don't need to be told otherwise!

PEOPLE STANDING UP BEFORE WE ARRIVE AT THE GATE: Yet more people rushing about, like I always say, never in history has a passenger beaten an aircraft to the gate, so don't try now! Sit down, chill out, enjoy the ride!

DUMB PASSENGERS: People that don't know where they are going, when they stood right under a big sign telling them exactly where to go! Can't people read signs anymore?! I know some airports may be big and daunting, but it aint that hard to read a sign now is it!

*RANT OVER FOR NOW* (until I can think of more!)

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RE: Air Travel For Dummies. Habits We Hate Or Love

Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:17 am

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 8):
PEOPLE STANDING UP BEFORE WE ARRIVE AT THE GATE: Yet more people rushing about, like I always say, never in history has a passenger beaten an aircraft to the gate, so don't try now! Sit down, chill out, enjoy the ride!

That is also another one for me! Especially when the flight attendants have to remind them not to get up until the plane has come to a complete stop AND the seatbelt light has been turned off.

Regarding the CASUAL FLYER, It's more notable than anywhere else I've been to here in the Pacific Northwest, USA. I fly out of PDX and EUG most of the time, and my last flight was LHR-EWR and everyone there was fine, some hours later, EWR-PDX and a good 60% of passengers were like this! What a shame really.

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Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:23 am

PEOPLE WHO GIVE GATE AGENTS A HARD TIME.
I've seen grown businessmen and women act like 4 year olds when they can't get an aisle seat or an upgrade.
Also people that get made at gate agents when the plane is delayed.
One time I was waiting for a flight out of JFK on United's P.S. flights. It was raining like crazy outside and our flight was delayed. A passenger asked the gate agent why there was a delay.   Wow!

Oh it gets worse. Another passenger that was flying standby told a gate agent that she had to get on the flight to LAX because she had to attend the Oscars that evening!  Wow!

[Edited 2007-08-24 22:27:01]
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Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:53 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
PEOPLE WHO GIVE GATE AGENTS A HARD TIME.
I've seen grown businessmen and women act like 4 year olds when they can't get an aisle seat or an upgrade

Another of my pet peeve's! I have a guy who is PE Flying Blue and the first things he says to me when he comes to the counter are "hi how are you? Is the flight full? Are you upgrading me today?"

I will F%&*ing call your name if you have been upgraded, ok! Regarding not getting a prefered seat, I do seem to remember that my airline has internet check-in available -30 hours to departure, use it and get the seat you want! Dont moan to me when I have to re-open the flight to check you in when you've turned up late and got a middle seat!

ELITE PASSENGERS WHO THINK THEY CAN CHECK IN ON THEIR ELITE CARDS: Really winds me up when I ask for a passport and I get (insert airline) elite card instead, and when I ask for their passport again, they look at me and say "oh yeh!" You'd think these people would be sorted and know they score, but sometimes they make just as stupid mistake as a one-off traveller!
 
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Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:02 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
One thing I don't get is when everyone rushes out of their seat when the plane pulls up to the gate only to find themselves crammed together standing in the aisles for a long time. This especially dumb when sitting in the rear of a single aisle aircraft. Often I'll just sit & wait until the line moves or when just about everyone gets off.

I've tried the "sit and wait" thing, and actually had a woman stand in the aisle behind my row and hold up the line waiting for me to get up. Instead of just following the herd out of the plane she held everyone up and got huffy when I waved her on. She insisted I get off the plane before her, and as a result everyone else behind her got mad at me too. I guess she figured if I wasn't going to participate in the traffic jam, she would create enough traffic jam for both of us.

My pet peeve: when the FA announces during taxi to the gate that "due to our late arrival there are a couple of passengers in the back of the plane with very quick connections, so please let them come to the front before you get up." How many aisle pax do you think stayed seated so the couple in the back could make their connection? If you guessed "zero", you are correct. And before you say "the whole plane had tight connections", it was a DL flight landing at ABQ, not a DL hub and they usually don't connect passengers there.
 
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RE: Air Travel For Dummies. Habits We Hate Or Love

Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:21 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
One thing I don't get is when everyone rushes out of their seat when the plane pulls up to the gate only to find themselves crammed together standing in the aisles for a long time. This especially dumb when sitting in the rear of a single aisle aircraft. Often I'll just sit & wait until the line moves or when just about everyone gets off.

Same here. This way I can get a couple of words with the CSD or the pilots...

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 11):
ELITE PASSENGERS WHO THINK THEY CAN CHECK IN ON THEIR ELITE CARDS:

Hey, what's your beef? We actually check in on our elite cards (at least for flights within Canada)
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Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:35 am

It's not really a pet peeve persay, but my favorite passengers to watch are the people who are in such a hurry to get off the plane as soon as it arrives at the gate by standing up immediately and even trying to move forward a few rows before others get up and get in their way. This is especially enjoyable at non-hub airports where nobody needs to make a connecting flight. Then, you invariably arrive at baggage claim to find that these people have staked out their spot right at the place where the bags emerge on the conveyor belt...and by the time you have your bags and are on your way out of the terminal, they are still standing there waiting looking like their head is about to explode due to the horrific experience of standing and waiting for a few extra minutes.

Biggest pet peeve is probably the people who stand right at the front of the boarding line, then spend several minutes taking their sweet time to stow their various pieces of carry-on all around their seating area while totally holding up the boarding process behind them.
 
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Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:58 pm

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 11):
ELITE PASSENGERS WHO THINK THEY CAN CHECK IN ON THEIR ELITE CARDS: Really winds me up when I ask for a passport and I get (insert airline) elite card instead, and when I ask for their passport again, they look at me and say "oh yeh!" You'd think these people would be sorted and know they score, but sometimes they make just as stupid mistake as a one-off traveller!

A great many airlines can and do identify pax with their FQTV cards - it is an acceptible FOID by which to index and retrieve the electronic ticket. Maybe the system you use doesn't allow this, but most do.

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 8):
CROWDED GATES: It really annoys me when I'm doing a pre-boarding announcement and 3/4s of the flight gets up and stands in a line at the gate! Sit back down! What's the rush? We aint gona leave without you, well unless your nowhere in sight!

It really annoys me that airlines think that zone or row-by-row boarding speeds things up. It also annoys me that airlines blatantly lie about boarding times, flag a flight as "boarding" when it isn't even close, and make people hang about the gate for 20 minutes while they fanny about doing apparently unnecessary and pointless things. GET PEOPLE ON THE PLANE !!! IN ANY ORDER !!! IF YOU BOARDED EARLIER YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO THINK OF STUPID SYSTEMS TO GET PEOPLE ON THE PLANE QUICKER.

Quoting Ayubogg (Thread starter):
"CASUAL" FLYERS-

Who cares what anyone wears on the flight. If you fly a lot, you recognise that an aircraft is a fundamentally uncomfortable environment, and dressing as comfortably as possible makes perfect sense.

I agree that stinky people are a problem, I was sitting in front of one MUC-ARN the other day, peee-uuuwwwwww - I had to point all my air vents backwards on full blast to keep his pong from flowing forward (that seems to work by the way, creating an air shield  Smile )

Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 5):
1) to get my safety cards,

How about this for a peeve - people who steal safety equipment from the plane.
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Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:41 pm

Quoting Ayubogg (Thread starter):

"CASUAL" FLYERS- This is my biggest peeve! I know you don't have to rent a tux for your flight to Las Vegas with your friends but those who go to the extremes of wearing athletic shorts, sleeveless shirts, and sandals with their hat backwards to go to the beach or wearing fleece sweats for overnight flights and tangled hair just make me MAAAD!!! gnasher I'm not asking for the MIlan fashion show up there, but whatever happened to "glamorous flying". I like to see the business suit, the professional skirt and what not on adults, and something casual but elegant for the non-business traveller. I always fly with an untucked stripped polo shirt, and my jeans with sneakers. I'm not asking for anything more or less. Let's bring beauty to flying back starting with attire!

I disagree. It's no business what other people wear on flights. If i want to wear flip flops, ripped jeans, an old t-shirt and a baseball cap when i'm flying First, i will (unlikely, but i'm talking hypothetically) because I've paid the same as you for the seat.

Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 5):

People that use their cell phones right until the plane leaves. It all annoys me, especially the ones that talk VERY LOUD so everyone else can hear them.

I didn't think this one would be annoying, but i experienced it on a American Express (or whatever it is...) flight between IND and ORD. My family (3 of us) had seats assigned, but they were all window seats in row 4, 5 and 6. I had row 5, and i sit down and just read my book i had. Then, some fancy lawyer type saw me sat there and must've thought "....oh shit, a KID". He sits down, doesn't even introduce himself (Both my brother's seat mate and my dad's both introduced themselves. My brother's seatmate wouldn't stop talking (not in a bad way, my brother enjoyed it). My brother is 12, this guy was probably mid 50's. Pretty cool guy... anyway, Mr. Joe Lawyer ignores me for the whole flight, doing some stuff on his notepad and a big binder thing (If you've flown a EMB145, you'll know the tray tables aren't the biggest).

We land, he whips out his phone, starts saying "blah blah, i'm in Chicago, what's for dinner" type of crap. Then, he asks me: "Ok, where did we land?" I just sat there thinking "WTF". He didn't know if he was in Midway, or O'Hare. IT SAYS ON THE TICKET!!!!
 
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Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:01 am

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 16):

I didn't think this one would be annoying, but i experienced it on a American Express (or whatever it is...) flight between IND and ORD. My family (3 of us) had seats assigned, but they were all window seats in row 4, 5 and 6. I had row 5, and i sit down and just read my book i had. Then, some fancy lawyer type saw me sat there and must've thought "....oh shit, a KID". He sits down, doesn't even introduce himself (Both my brother's seat mate and my dad's both introduced themselves. My brother's seatmate wouldn't stop talking (not in a bad way, my brother enjoyed it). My brother is 12, this guy was probably mid 50's. Pretty cool guy... anyway, Mr. Joe Lawyer ignores me for the whole flight, doing some stuff on his notepad and a big binder thing (If you've flown a EMB145, you'll know the tray tables aren't the biggest).

No offense, but it's not usually the norm in the U.S. to introduce yourself to your seatmate, though it is very appropriate..
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Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:38 am

I hate:
Neighbors who don't say a word (LGW-IAH and not one word!)
Talkative neighbors  Smile

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 2):
i can't stand it when there is that guy that sits next to you who didn't shave,

Come on, who really cares? What's more important is when people offend the senses that cannot be disabled (hearing, smell, touch).

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 7):

Loud talkers. (Happened on my last flight, couldn't get to sleep)

Agreed. That and people who blast their headphones so loud that I can hear it.

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 8):
I really hate it when (elite) passengers tell me to put a priority tag or they bag or a short connection sticker! I can quite clearly see from my set if your elite or require a short connection sticker, I don't need to be told otherwise!

Agents sometimes forget the priority tags. What's wrong with a friendly request for one?
 
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Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:29 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 15):
Who cares what anyone wears on the flight. If you fly a lot, you recognise that an aircraft is a fundamentally uncomfortable environment, and dressing as comfortably as possible makes perfect sense.

Right, I have to agree. I don't understand everyone's beef with people who dress the same way they would in any other normal or non-formal situation. I'm all about wearing shorts or jeans and a t-shirt when I fly, and although I don't own a pair of flip-flops, they seem to be the norm these days. Unless you're wearing something completely inappropriate for being out in public, I don't see anything wrong with dressing casually when you fly. Like said above, it makes perfect sense.
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Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:54 pm

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 17):
No offense, but it's not usually the norm in the U.S. to introduce yourself to your seatmate, though it is very appropriate..

True, but it's always courteous to at least say hello or something like that. I ALWAYS do that, because you never know who you'll ending up sitting next to. And of course, if it's an attractive woman, then introducing yourself goes without saying. Big grin
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Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:33 pm

Quoting Analog (Reply 18):
I hate:
Neighbors who don't say a word (LGW-IAH and not one word!)

Why ? What is there to say ? The only thing you have in common is your row number - I prefer to to restrict the conversation to polite requests to please let me pass into the aisle, if required.

Quoting Analog (Reply 18):
That and people who blast their headphones so loud that I can hear it.

That is annoying, yes. Or worse, people who take their earphones off but leave them plugged in, so you can hear them Ngngngng !!  irked 

Quoting Analog (Reply 18):
Agents sometimes forget the priority tags. What's wrong with a friendly request for one?

In my experience, priority tags are very seldom a guarantee of anything - it depends on the airline, the airport, whether you have a connection, whether the connection is online or interline, there are endless variables - generally they seem to work about 50% of the time (i.e. priority bags coming off the belt first).
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Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:19 pm

Quoting Ayubogg (Thread starter):
I'm not asking for the MIlan fashion show up there, but whatever happened to "glamorous flying". I like to see the business suit, the professional skirt and what not on adults, and something casual but elegant for the non-business traveller. I always fly with an untucked stripped polo shirt, and my jeans with sneakers. I'm not asking for anything more or less. Let's bring beauty to flying back starting with attire!

I don't think you can really ask people to be "presentable" when flying as it is up to them what they wear, but I do agree with that air travel used to be a lot more "classy" then it is now days.

The thing I hate the most is the type of passenger that just goes on and on at the check-in staff blaming them for traffic on their way to the airport, for example, and then just doesn't listen to the staff and makes un-resonable demands on them!! Grrrrr!!

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 7):
People that don't understand a touch-screen PTV doesn't mean a punch-screen.

 Big grin  Big grin
 
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Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:10 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 21):
In my experience, priority tags are very seldom a guarantee of anything

Same here. But they make me feel important.
 
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Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:28 am

Quoting Analog (Reply 23):
Same here. But they make me feel important

Whatever floats your boat  Smile
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Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:17 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 20):
True, but it's always courteous to at least say hello or something like that. I ALWAYS do that, because you never know who you'll ending up sitting next to. And of course, if it's an attractive woman, then introducing yourself goes without saying.



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 21):

Why ? What is there to say ? The only thing you have in common is your row number - I prefer to to restrict the conversation to polite requests to please let me pass into the aisle, if required.

Too many bad experiences being seated next to freaks or perverts who wouldn't leave me alone. One drunk wouldn't stop hitting on me and actually made pirate noises "yarg", tried to get me to do the cosmopolitan sex quiz with him out loud(really loud!), and when I wouldn't participate would read the particularly nasty bits of the 100 things guys like in bed out loud then howl like a wolf when he saw something he liked "OWWWWW men are dogs we like that allright" I prefer to sit down and be left alone rather than expose myself to misery like that again. In exchange I'll do my best not to infringe on your comfort either.
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Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:03 am

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 26):
tried to get me to do the cosmopolitan sex quiz with him out loud(really loud!), and when I wouldn't participate would read the particularly nasty bits of the 100 things guys like in bed out loud then howl like a wolf when he saw something he liked

Question - what was he doing reading Cosmo ?
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RE: Air Travel For Dummies. Habits We Hate Or Love

Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:08 am

Quoting Ayubogg (Thread starter):

"CASUAL" FLYERS- This is my biggest peeve! I know you don't have to rent a tux for your flight to Las Vegas with your friends but those who go to the extremes of wearing athletic shorts, sleeveless shirts, and sandals with their hat backwards to go to the beach or wearing fleece sweats for overnight flights and tangled hair just make me MAAAD!!! gnasher I'm not asking for the MIlan fashion show up there, but whatever happened to "glamorous flying". I like to see the business suit, the professional skirt and what not on adults, and something casual but elegant for the non-business traveller. I always fly with an untucked stripped polo shirt, and my jeans with sneakers. I'm not asking for anything more or less. Let's bring beauty to flying back starting with attire!

I have to say I hate seeing passengers that look like they should be riding a bus instead of flying on a plane. I can understand wanting to be comfortable on a flight, but looking like you came to the airport straight from mowing the lawn makes you look like a walking, talking, Jeff Foxworthy "You Might Be A Redneck" joke.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 7):
I'd like to restate what the original poster has said. People that crowd around the gate when the gate agents just begin boarding... Alright, it's ok if your Zone 2. But when I am trying to figure out where the line starts when I am trying to board in Zone 4 and I see Zone 9 boarding passes all over the place, you just need to take a seat and come back up in 5 minutes when it's your turn.



Quoting MANmatt (Reply 8):

CROWDED GATES: It really annoys me when I'm doing a pre-boarding announcement and 3/4s of the flight gets up and stands in a line at the gate! Sit back down! What's the rush? We aint gona leave without you, well unless your nowhere in sight!

It doesn't matter what boarding process is used, folks will still do it. They think that they'll get on the plane faster. Yeah, if your one of the early boarding groups. By the time the third or fourth boarding group is called on a widebody, the jetway is backed up because some genius in an earlier boarding group is holding up the line trying to shove their carry on into the overhead bin.

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 8):

DUMB PASSENGERS: People that don't know where they are going, when they stood right under a big sign telling them exactly where to go! Can't people read signs anymore?! I know some airports may be big and daunting, but it aint that hard to read a sign now is it!


My last job @ ATL was for a book and magazine distributor stocking newsstands and bookstores and we'd get all sorts of dumb questions from passengers. At times, it seems as though they packed their brain in the bag they checked. I've had folks being on the wrong concourse looking for an airlines' gate, which in some cases is hard to do if you're originating in ATL. It's not just the regular Joe Q. Public that this affects as well. When I was working for AirTran some years back, one of my gate agent friends was telling me how earlier in the day Katie Holmes came to her gate looking for the gate the ASA flight to ILM was operating out of.


I hate folks that as soon as you land, immediately turn on their cell and start calling folks. What, you can't wait the 10-15 minutes until you get off of the plane. This is why I hope cell phone use in flight never happens.

Then there's the folks that literally plow over folks in order to get off the plane and hit the nearest smoking area.

The folks that stake out a spot at the baggage claim annoy me as well. You see your bag coming around and miss it because folks won't let you through to claim it. Or you do get your bag but nobody will move back a foot so you can actually get it off of the belt.

Coach passengers that come up into First Class during boarding and swipe blankets. I saw this happen on my last flight. I didn't need a blanket, but considering how much I paid for that seat in that cabin (Or in the case of those who paid with miles, how many trips it took), it irked me that someone who honestly had no business being up there swiping what wasn't for their use.
 
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RE: Air Travel For Dummies. Habits We Hate Or Love

Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:13 am

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 13):

Hey, what's your beef? We actually check in on our elite cards (at least for flights within Canada)

Not a beef, but it's a DfT requirement for us as check in agents to identify the passenger against the passport they present to us.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 15):

It really annoys me that airlines think that zone or row-by-row boarding speeds things up. It also annoys me that airlines blatantly lie about boarding times, flag a flight as "boarding" when it isn't even close, and make people hang about the gate for 20 minutes while they fanny about doing apparently unnecessary and pointless things. GET PEOPLE ON THE PLANE !!! IN ANY ORDER !!! IF YOU BOARDED EARLIER YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO THINK OF STUPID SYSTEMS TO GET PEOPLE ON THE PLANE QUICKER.

Tbh, I ain't really bothered about boarding by row or zones, although I do tend to stick to boarding business and elites 1st if they wish, what gets me is why many people get up and block the gate area during the pre-boarding announcement!

Quoting Analog (Reply 18):

Agents sometimes forget the priority tags. What's wrong with a friendly request for one?

Nothing wrong with a "friendly" request for one, but in my experience its been more of a demand than a request! Here's one for any Flying Blue elite members, did you know that you're not entitled to priority tags on klm cityhopper flights as the airline doesn't recognise them, as in most cases they usually on have one cart full of bags per flight?!

Rgrds, Matt

[Edited 2007-08-27 01:16:36]
 
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RE: Air Travel For Dummies. Habits We Hate Or Love

Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:37 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 17):
it's not usually the norm in the U.S. to introduce yourself to your seatmate, though it is very appropriate.



Quoting San747 (Reply 20):
True, but it's always courteous to at least say hello or something like that. I ALWAYS do that, because you never know who you'll ending up sitting next to.

Exactly!
I've met all sorts of people, from the former head of the Nevada State Troopers to a grandmother and her grandson on their first flight to the Mexican interior components rep for Hyundai of Alabama. They were all interesting, friendly people, and my life experience would be much less rich if I hadn't spoken to them on an airplane.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 21):
Why? What is there to say? The only thing you have in common is your row number - I prefer to to restrict the conversation to polite requests to please let me pass into the aisle, if required.

Because the movie is almost always something I wouldn't watch on a bet, and the view out the window isn't always breathtaking. For me, "in-flight entertainment" is usually asking a few open-ended questions and getting my seatmate to tell me their story. It may not be a thriller, but it's never a rerun, either. Big grin

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 25):
Too many bad experiences being seated next to freaks or perverts who wouldn't leave me alone. I prefer to sit down and be left alone rather than expose myself to misery like that again. In exchange I'll do my best not to infringe on your comfort either.

I suspect I may have sat next to you on your first flight after your bad experience with the drunk.  Smile
On one flight, a reasonably attractive woman sat down next to me and immediately raised the "Cone Of Silence": For the entire flight she did not once glance in my direction or acknowledge my presence in any way except to keep her back turned to me as much as her seatbelt would allow, which isn't a lot in the Y-class seats of an MD-80. I thought it was rather rude of her to automatically treat me as if I were Jack the Ripper with halitosis, particularly since I'm both gay AND taken and her virtue was in less danger from me than perhaps anyone else on that flight.
Maybe she just had an aversion to guys with beards and ponytails.

Quoting San747 (Reply 20):
And of course, if it's an attractive woman, then introducing yourself goes without saying.

Uh-uh, no way. I won't get up and move if an attractive woman sits next to me, but after the experience I've just described I can think of a whole bunch of people I'd rather sit next to than an attractive woman. Give me someone's grandmother as a seatmate any time!
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RE: Air Travel For Dummies. Habits We Hate Or Love

Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:00 pm

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 28):
did you know that you're not entitled to priority tags on klm cityhopper flights as the airline doesn't recognise them, as in most cases they usually on have one cart full of bags per flight?!

You're right, however if this "mega-platinum- I-am-so-important-$25,000-a-month-salary-Frequent-Flyer" is happy with a $0,000002 yellow priority tag, he can get it.
 
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RE: Air Travel For Dummies. Habits We Hate Or Love

Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:21 am

Quoting Ayubogg (Thread starter):
wearing fleece sweats for overnight flights

Every other week I fly between JFK and LHR. However, my travel budget isn't huge so that means economy (plus my flights are spread over multiple airlines and I've yet to become an elite on any of them). So you better believe that I'm wearing sweatpants on the plane if it means I get an extra hour of sleep. I still run to the hotel and shower and put a suit on before work, but if I'm flying overnight and the goal is sleep, I'll wear something I can sleep in, thanks.
 
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RE: Air Travel For Dummies. Habits We Hate Or Love

Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:02 am

Passengers who assign blame to the airlines where its not due.

People who put hteir seats all the way back...I was on CO EWR-HNL we weren't through 10,000 feet yet and the guy in front of me let the momentum of the plane climbing put his seat back as far as it would go. It didn't move the entire time.

Screaming kids. I understand kids will be kids, but leaning over the back of their seat yelling in my face for 5 hours is not pleasant.

Stupid passengers who get up whle on active taxiways, or who are just so misinformed about aviation its sad (ie, a pilot barely does anything, they just monitor the computer. A monkey could do it.)

People rushing up to board before they are called.

Passengers using overhead real estate that doesn't belong to them (ie in first or the mother who happened to stowe her huge rolling suitcase above my dad's head, only to need to access it in the middle of the night on the way to TLV. Fortunately my dad can fall asleep on demand.

Bad seatmates...I was flying with a friend who woke me up to ask permission to move my armrest. That was somewhere over the mid pacific flying on the return leg of the HNL trip I mentioned earlier. I didn't fall back asleep until Nebraska.
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RE: Air Travel For Dummies. Habits We Hate Or Love

Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:12 pm

Quoting Ayubogg (Thread starter):
RUDE PASSENGERS- All those passengers that are true believers of "I hate the airline industry" campaigns and always go about the airport with a big beign rude to check-in agents and flight attendants during flights. Those jobs go too often unappreciated and they don't really need all that hate when it's not their fault they can't accomodate them in the next flight because they missed their original flight etc.

These People dont understand that This is going to get them nowhere. Its just gonna' pis off the gate agent.

Quoting Ayubogg (Thread starter):
OUT-OF-CONTROL-CHILDREN- I understand an infant crying over hunger or discomfort and I'll even sympathise with the parents, but when the five-year-old throws a tantrum in the gate or at 35,000 ft and you know you are stuck with nowhere else to go, it really makes my blood boil.

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RE: Air Travel For Dummies. Habits We Hate Or Love

Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:09 pm

LEAVING GARBAGE EVERYWHERE! As a groomer I see it every day. Step onboard after everyone has gotten off, only to see the floor covered and the seatpockets stuffed with garbage. The flight attendants come around multiple times to collect garbage, PLEASE use that! A dropped cup here and a wrapper from after the garbage pick up over there is perfectly acceptable, but having a handfull of crap in every seatpocket isn't. Do you leave your trash all over your friends living room? So why leave it in the seats of a plane?


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RE: Air Travel For Dummies. Habits We Hate Or Love

Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:17 pm

Quoting Ayubogg (Thread starter):
"CASUAL" FLYERS- This is my biggest peeve! I know you don't have to rent a tux for your flight to Las Vegas with your friends but those who go to the extremes of wearing athletic shorts, sleeveless shirts, and sandals with their hat backwards to go to the beach or wearing fleece sweats for overnight flights and tangled hair just make me MAAAD!!! I'm not asking for the MIlan fashion show up there, but whatever happened to "glamorous flying". I like to see the business suit, the professional skirt and what not on adults, and something casual but elegant for the non-business traveller. I always fly with an untucked stripped polo shirt, and my jeans with sneakers. I'm not asking for anything more or less. Let's bring beauty to flying back starting with attire!

I hate that too. I always wear jeans and a polo shirt with normal shoes when I fly, first or coach it does not matter. But when I fly commuter between South Florida and the Bahamas or even with American Eagle than I will wear the shorts, but not athletic shorts I talking about golf shorts. But I still wear my nice shirt. But I hate seeing people dress poorly on airplanes.
There are alot of things that people do on airplanes and airports that annoy but I try not to care to much and just enjoy the flight.
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RE: Air Travel For Dummies. Habits We Hate Or Love

Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:03 pm

What still bugs me the most, are those pax that - after boarding or getting ready to deplane - think, it's just them wanting to get into their seat (or out of the a/c) and will take hours to arrange their carry-on into or out of the overhead-bins, meanwhile blocking everyone behind them. Especially when deplaning, they've been standing next to that bin for at least 5 minutes anyhow... Sometimes, I just reallz want to kick their butt and get 'em moving  Angry
 
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RE: Air Travel For Dummies. Habits We Hate Or Love

Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 15):
It really annoys me that airlines think that zone or row-by-row boarding speeds things up. It also annoys me that airlines blatantly lie about boarding times, flag a flight as "boarding" when it isn't even close, and make people hang about the gate for 20 minutes while they fanny about doing apparently unnecessary and pointless things. GET PEOPLE ON THE PLANE !!! IN ANY ORDER !!! IF YOU BOARDED EARLIER YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO THINK OF STUPID SYSTEMS TO GET PEOPLE ON THE PLANE QUICKER.

Thats a very weak statement. The boarding systems are very logical: The rear of the plane goes on first, and it fill up from the back. Hence, there is less congestion on the plane. Granted, many people do not adhere to the boarding groups, which often eliminates the purpose of the group boarding.

Also, what do you know about th airline industry? Have you worked at the gates? How do you know that they are doing "unnecessary and pointless things" just to delay your boarding? You cant just board everyone 2 hour in advance just to make you happy. Sure in a ideal-world that would be the case, but aircraft cleaning, restocking, unexpeced events etc prevents the airlines just to board them 2 hours prior to departure. Not to mention, people would still be checking in at this time.

30 minutes prior to departure is just fine from most flights, some are ok within 15 minutes, depending on aircraft size.

[Edited 2007-08-31 23:41:37]
 
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RE: Air Travel For Dummies. Habits We Hate Or Love

Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:29 pm

Quoting 44k (Reply 37):
Also, what do you know about th airline industry?

23 years working in the airline industry, thanks for asking. One picks up a thing or two. I know exactly what is required to get an aircraft ready to board, and it does not involve half the things you see them doing.

Quoting 44k (Reply 37):
30 minutes prior to departure is just fine from most flights

Wouldn't that be nice ? Actually in the US airlines do tend to board on time much better than European ones - mostly I'm thinking of the absolutely appalling and lackadaisical ground handling we have at NCE - almost all airlines are outsourced, and the ground handling agents just couldn't give a toss, as a general rule. They'll chat with their friends while you swelter on a bus, the ramp agents are up in the cabin trying to cop off with the FA's, they close and lock the hold before they realise they've got pax with Deliver At Aircraft bags still on the bus - it's just rubbish.
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RE: Air Travel For Dummies. Habits We Hate Or Love

Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:49 pm

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 8):
DEMANDING PASSENGERS: I really hate it when (elite) passengers tell me to put a priority tag or they bag or a short connection sticker! I can quite clearly see from my set if your elite or require a short connection sticker, I don't need to be told otherwise!

Sometimes, one has to do this, especially from regional airports, when the check-in agents aren't used to priority passengers (especially if there is no first class or business class flights from that airport). Countless times, I've had check-in agents not put the star alliance priorty sticker on, or the short connection sticker, even thouth the connection is under an hour.

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