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Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:01 pm

I'm going to fly to Cuba for a two-week vacation in october and on this occasion, I want to make one or two domestic flights on russian airliners. So here are my questions:

-What would be the cheapest option within Cuba? I'd like to try the AN24/26, IL62, IL18, Yak42 or Yak40.
-On which route is it most certain that there won't be a replacement by an ATR or something?
-Where should I book - at the airport, in a travel agency, on the web - for getting the best price?
-Can anyone recommend a route which ends at an interesting location that can hardly be reached by car which would be worth visiting, instead of returning right away?
-I've read somewhere about Aerotaxi operating flights on real old metal - do they still exist (couldn't find much on the web)?
-Is there a chance to book the IL62-flight LPA-HAV and how much would that cost?

Thanks for any info.

Regards

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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:41 pm

I've flown a HAV-GER-HAV half-daytrip on a CU AN4 and paid 58 Euro for the trip - booking was via wideroe.no.

Flights from HAV to HOG should be about 100 Euro return, and are usually operated by Aerocarribbean ATR's. You will get the YK2 on HAV-SCU-HAV for about 150 Euro return. Most other routings are not served twice daily, so they require an overnight stay.
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:20 pm

Thanks, TriStar500, for the info! The GER option sounds interesting. Also the Wideroe homepage is nice for bookings.
Any other infos, anybody?
 
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:28 pm

Make sure u book a daytrip to Cayo Largo from any touristic office in Havana its about $120 includes a full sighseeing daytour and a flight on AeroGaviota Antonov. Also u would depart from another airport in havana.. Playa baracoa or something like that
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:24 am

Hi Soups
I just looked up Cayo Largo on google and now we consider spending a week there instead of varadero. seems to be a nice island to relax for a while. and flying there with an AN26 makes it sound even better.
Thank you very much for the useful advice!
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:36 am

Quoting Ham (Thread starter):
-Is there a chance to book the IL62-flight LPA-HAV and how much would that cost?

Cubana left to operate this route in 2005 due to low demmand on it. Now, there are only one Spanish scheduled city, MAD, served with 763 and IL9.

Quoting Ham (Thread starter):
-I've read somewhere about Aerotaxi operating flights on real old metal - do they still exist (couldn't find much on the web)?

Rare old metal are Antonov An-2's??? Only used as a para and sprayer flights. The same with the DC-3 they have in fleet. If you want a very rare old metal plane, try Aerocaribbean IL-18's. More info:

www.aero-caribbean.com

Quoting Ham (Thread starter):
-Can anyone recommend a route which ends at an interesting location that can hardly be reached by car which would be worth visiting, instead of returning right away?

Santiago de Cuba, Nueva Gerona or Ciego de Avila are cities that has typical colonial buildings and very nice people.

Quoting Ham (Thread starter):
-What would be the cheapest option within Cuba? I'd like to try the AN24/26, IL62, IL18, Yak42 or Yak40.

My recommendation is to take car until Nueva Gerona, Santiago de Cuba or other city far away from HAV. The chances to fly in a AN4, AN6 or YK2 are very high. The IL-62 chance is on SDQ and MEX flights...

Regards and have a nice trip.

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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:42 am

Sounds exciting..be sure to post your experience for the rest of us..I plan on a visit to Cuba in the next couple of years
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:36 am

Hi there! I think Aerotaxi still fly their AN-2 out of Varadero's old airport (Kawama - MUKW) on sightseeing tours around the peninsula. The route between HAV-NAS gets pretty interesting, changing on a daily basis from the IL-62 to the Yak42, and even the old IL-18 at times. Cubana regularly flies to Santo Domingo, DR using their IL-62. If you want to try out the new IL-96 you can fly from Madrid down to the island in it.

Hope you have fun in Cuba!!
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:05 am

I was in Cuba in May and visited Aerocaribbean's office to try and get on their Il-18 but they insisted the last pax Il-18 was recently wfu and they now only have 1 or 2 cargo Il-18s left. They only fly ATR-72s now.
On domestic flights, the An-24/26 and Yak-42 are still common. I think the DC-3s are wfu or seized in the USA now.
Indeed the Il-62M is for now only doing regional flights like Nassau, Santo Domingo, Mexico City, Cancun and Caracas, but the first Tu-204 has arrived and might replace it.
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 5):
Quoting Ham (Thread starter):
-Is there a chance to book the IL62-flight LPA-HAV and how much would that cost?

Cubana left to operate this route in 2005 due to low demmand on it. Now, there are only one Spanish scheduled city, MAD, served with 763 and IL9.

Actually, I just saw the CU IL62M in LPA in June. Maybe it was a one-time charter flight then?

Thanks to all of you for the posts. I will write a trip report about the journey or at least about the domestic flight.
So far, I hope (=dad&brother have to agree) to fly HAV-Cayo Largo on the Aerogaviota AN26 and I might try to get on a scenic flight on an Aerotaxi AN2.

It seems to me that the AN26 is a real exotic bird at least in pax config - or where else would you be able to board one as a passenger? IIRC, the AN26 is the military version of the AN24, right?

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 5):
try Aerocaribbean IL-18's. More info:

www.aero-caribbean.com

I think I´ve read somewhere that the IL18s are a backup in case one of the ATRs goes tech.
 
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:31 am

AFAIK, Cubana only uses the An-24 (not the -26) on pax flights.

In case you want to get a first impression about a Cubana domestic flight, you might want to read my trip report from last April:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/99603
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting Ham (Thread starter):
-What would be the cheapest option within Cuba? I'd like to try the AN24/26, IL62, IL18, Yak42 or Yak40.

The best option for a flight on a CU Yak-42 would be taking the triangular HAV-GUA-SJO-GUA flight.  Wink It's seasonal and operates through the winter, so that route will restart sometime in December
 
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:13 am

Try Nassau-Habana

Nassau gets CU daily, and they use anything from mainline IL-62s to Aerocaribbean ATR-72s to Aerogaviota Antonovs.
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:33 am

When I was in Cayo Guillermo/Cayo Coco I found it to be very nice and if you can get on an Aerogaviota flight you are guaranteed a Russian plane, maybe even an AN-2. Aerocaribbean has flights from HAV to CCC but it might not be on a Russian plane.

Cuba is a nice place, so enjoy the trip wherever you stay!



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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:47 am

Quoting NEMA (Reply 6):
Santiago de Cuba, Nueva Gerona or Ciego de Avila are cities that has typical colonial buildings and very nice people

Nueva Gerona is on Isle of Pines (Isla de la Juventud) - Isle of Youth - as the communist renamed it. So you can't drive there from Havana lol. There used to be these fast soviet ferry boats from the mainland to there not sure if they still use these.

Funny when I lived there those loud AN-2s were painted yellow and only used for mosquito fumigation and that sort of stuff. Now they are tourist taxis!
 
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:58 am

We flew Santiago de Cuba-Hav on a Yak 42.

After hiring a car and driving the length of the country, I can confidently say that Santiago was my favourite place in Cuba. It is totally unlike any other part of Cuba. It has a lot more African heritage due to the slave industry that once existed. it is also where all of the wonderful music comes from. The humid but pleasant weather also gives the place a different feel. The Buena Vista Social Club are from there.
When walking around the beautiful city, you will hear different style of music wafting out of every building, not to mention beautiful singing. You will even find a small band sitting at the back of an old book shop or in each museum.
At night the place really comes to life at the Casa La Trova's, where you can watch experts Salsa, while sipping on a mojito.
I was not much of a music or dance lover until discovering Santiago and now I am converted! It is the true Cuban experience, which cannot be missed.

We then took the last flight of the night back to Havana, on a Yak 42. The whole thing was quite an experience!

You can book flights on cubana.cu They accept payment and even let you pick a seat. It will also tell you the aircraft that you will be flying on. Make sure you print out the e-ticket and take it to the ticketing office at the airport or a Cubana office. They will then turn it into a paper ticket. I know this is not normally what happens but we learnt the hard way when flying from MEX-HAV

Cubana also have a representative in both London and Canada. the contact details are on the website. You can always ring them if you have any questions. I rang the London office a few times regarding my international flights as I am in a wheelchair and have special requirements. They were very accommodating.

Alternatively, if you are flexible with your dates you can wait until you are there and then book it at a Cubana office. We did this for the domestic flight only a few days beforehand.

If you have time, explore some towns and not just lie on a beach. I can recommend Sancti Spiritus, Trinidad, Camaguey and of course Santiago.

Have fun!
 
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:10 pm

My personal favorites were Sancti Spiritus and Cienfuegos - I found Santiago de Cuba to be much too moist and tropical for my liking, but I guess, everybody has his own favorites.  Wink

I would strongly recommend to avoid flying internationally, because you have to pay the arrival and departure tax of 25 CUC (about 22 Euro) per way each time you leave or enter Cuba. Thus, in order to save these unneccessary expenses, you should rather fly domestically.
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:41 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 11):
The best option for a flight on a CU Yak-42 would be taking the triangular HAV-GUA-SJO-GUA flight.

That was supposed to read HAV-GUA-SJO-HAV, or otherwise it wouldn't be a triangular route in and out of HAV. Pardon the typo.

Quoting Skyhigh (Reply 15):
We then took the last flight of the night back to Havana, on a Yak 42.

I usually see those Yak-42s taking off and flying very low over my workplace (when RW07 is active). Those things seem underpowered, but I've been told they're following an old Soviet procedure to takeoff and immediate accelerate to climb speed instead of holding v2+10 until a pre-determined acceleration height. I'd still be hesitant to fly on one of them. I'd rather try CU's IL-96s or IL-62s.  Wink
 
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:42 pm

Thanks for all the info! I'm getting more and more excited.

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 10):
In case you want to get a first impression about a Cubana domestic flight, you might want to read my trip report from last April:

I have read it (I think I already read it some time ago, too) and I liked it a lot.
 
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:39 pm

Schedules of Cubana and Aerocaribbean inside Cuba...

- Ciego de Avila (AVI) served with AT4 equipment.
- Baracoa (BCA) served with AT4 equipment.
- Bayamo (BYM) served with AT4 equipment.
- Cayo Coco (CCC) served with AT7 and IL9 equipment.
- Camaguey (CMW) served with AN4 and YK2 equipment.
- Cayo Largo (CYO) served with AT7 equipment.
- Guantanamo (GAO) served with AN4 and YK2 equipment.
- Nueva Gerona (GER) served with AN4 equipment.
- Holguin (HOG) served with AT7 and 767 equipment.
- Moa (MOA) served with AT4 equipment.
- Manzanillo (MZO) served with AT4 equipment.
- Santiago de Cuba (SCU) served with AN4, 737 and YK2 equipment.
- Santa Clara (SNU) served with 320 equipment.
- Varadero (VRA) served with IL9 equipment.
- Las Tunas (VTU) served with AT4 equipment.

Now choose your preferred route and aircraft.

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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:54 pm

And don't forget that many destinations are not served several times daily or even daily at all.
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:28 pm

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 19):
Varadero (VRA) served with IL9 equipment

IL9? Is that the IL96? HAV-VRA doesn't show up in any booking system and also not on CU's homepage.

[Edited 2007-08-28 13:29:20]
 
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:36 pm

Quoting HAM (Reply 21):
HAV-VRA doesn't show up in any booking system and also not on CU's homepage.

It is most likely a full charter (and not flown from FRA, I don't know of any CU charters from Germany).
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:38 pm

Why do you want to go to a country that is a dictatorship, jails people who criticise the government, is quickly becoming a 3rd world country just to have a chance to fly on 'Russian' aircraft. Where is your personal morality and ethics.
 
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:56 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 23):
Why do you want to go to a country that is a dictatorship, jails people who criticise the government, is quickly becoming a 3rd world country just to have a chance to fly on 'Russian' aircraft. Where is your personal morality and ethics.

Cuba is beautiful and the people are generally nice. Expand your horizons a bit....
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:59 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 23):
Where is your personal morality and ethics.

Traveling helps you to overcome ignorance and to broaden your horizont. You should try that out sometimes.

Even though I never was and never will be a sympathizer of a Socialist system, it was tremendously interesting to visit the country as an individual traveller away from the tourist resorts and to see and learn how the system works, how the people cope with the system and what its strengths and pitfalls are.

Anyway, this is off-topic. If you want to discuss this, you are free to start a thread in the non-av forum.

Edit: typo

[Edited 2007-08-28 14:01:20]
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:11 pm

Last year, I rented a house in the Miramar district of Havana for two weeks and rented a car to see the sights. It was an incredible vacation in a beautiful and friendly place.

As far as vacations go, it was a nice as anywhere in the sun. The house had its own swimming pool, beach and staff. Adding that to renting an Audi A4, and it was still cheaper than a "package" tour for the four of us.

But my main intent was aviation. I flew a few day trips on Russian aircraft, and ... if you are in Havana, visit the Aviation Museum, its worth the effort. The locals are friendly, proud of their island and history, and very accommodating. Also, with police on almost every other corner, it is safe, and if you get lost ... (and you will) ... they will assist you.

It is also amazing to see Havana before the Americans are allowed in, and place a McDonald's and Holiday Inn on every beach.
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:01 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 23):
Why do you want to go to a country that is a dictatorship, jails people who criticise the government, is quickly becoming a 3rd world country just to have a chance to fly on 'Russian' aircraft. Where is your personal morality and ethics.

I´m going there because I´ve heard that the island is nice, because I have the chance to learn something about different cultures and political systems, because I want to understand and see with my own eyes what I normally only read in the media, because I get the unique chance to fly on Russian airliners (which is why I posted this thread), and because I can be sure that I won´t meet people like you there.

Thanks to all the others for their very useful contributions and advice.

I hope that none of my planned flights will be operated by those ATRs which I like over here but which seem too boring over there...
 
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:42 am

I hope you will have a good trip. I can definitely recommend to try the Il-62 (as long as they're still around), the An-24 and Yak-42. Would do it anytime again.

I did LPA-HAV on the Il-62, HAV-CUN and GUA-SJO-HAV on the Yak-42 and HAV-GER-HAV on the An-24. If interested, you can read the trip report here:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/74530/
 
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:54 am

I tried for the IL-62 on CCS-HAV but this was equipment swapped for an IL-96. I've actually just posted a trip report in the last few minutes: Cubana Ilyushin IL-96-300 CCS-HAV [+pics/vids] (by UK_Dispatcher Aug 28 2007 in Trip Reports)

I got my IL-62 the next day on the HAV-SDQ route and it was superb - a real joy to fly aboard. A trip report for this flight will follow in a few days' time.
 
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:29 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 17):
I usually see those Yak-42s taking off and flying very low over my workplace (when RW07 is active). Those things seem underpowered, but I've been told they're following an old Soviet procedure to takeoff and immediate accelerate to climb speed instead of holding v2+10 until a pre-determined acceleration height. I'd still be hesitant to fly on one of them. I'd rather try CU's IL-96s or IL-62s.

Is this the usual equipment on SJO?

Quoting HAM (Reply 27):
It is also amazing to see Havana before the Americans are allowed in, and place a McDonald's and Holiday Inn on every beach.

I hope and pray Cuba's oceanfront land doesn't turn into another Miami Beach full of mega-expensive high-rises because unlike with Miami Beach where nobody is buying those, anything like this would quickly sell out down there in Cuba, but benefit only a few. Everything in Miami Beach and florida in general is PRIVATE PROPERTY, NO TRESPASSING, DON"T DO THIS, DON"T DO THAT, etc etc. On the positive side, Cubans will have much more common sense not to make everything prohibitive like over here in the good 'ol US.
 
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:50 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 23):
Why do you want to go to a country that is a dictatorship, jails people who criticise the government, is quickly becoming a 3rd world country just to have a chance to fly on 'Russian' aircraft. Where is your personal morality and ethics.

Sometimes people visit a country and don't look at the asociated politics.  Wink

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 30):
Is this the usual equipment on SJO?

Yes, the Yak-42D is standard equipment to SJO.
 
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:42 am

Cayo largo is much better than Varadero.
when we went there we stayed in Havana and had day trips to varadero, cayo largo, cayo coco, Holguin and Guantanamo
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RE: Advice Wanted On Trip To Cuba

Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:30 am

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