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To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:01 pm

Hello, all. I am asking for help as I am planning a trip from SEA to NYC with my sister. If it was just me, I would jump on the cheapest fare, but as she gets really stressed when traveling, I want to make it a good experience for her. Aren't I a nice guy? Well, flying from SEA, we have several options for non-stops to NYC: CO and AS to EWR , AA, DL, and B6 to JFK. It has been awhile since I have flown a US transcon (the last time with CO), so I don't really know what to expect from these guys, besides the consistent good service with AS.

Looking at fares, it seems the best deal currently is with F9 to LGA, a new airline for me. Wanting to avoid switching aircraft due to the aforementioned stress factor, I have read several positive things about F9, which may compensate for the layover in DEN. How do they compare to the other guys? Seatguru has their pitch at 33", which beats everyone else. I know the terminal B6 uses at JFK leaves something to be desired, and everyone seems to be anti-AA lately.

For those with knowledge to share, I think it is great, as favoring business with superior service is great for competition and consumers. Any info/opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:06 pm

this sounds like its a job for the av polls and prefs gurus!

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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:15 pm

It's a long ride between Seattle and New York. If I were using my money, I'd look for IFE. I guess that would point me toward Jetblue. And you'll probably get a decdent fare with them.
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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:26 pm

Good point about the IFE, that is why I like F9. But with 4 segments, is sounds like that will set me back $20, so is it worth it?
 
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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:29 pm

I'd avoid connecting in DEN - it seems that I'm always delayed there, and with 5 nonstop options, I really wouldn't connect. Also not sure what your plans are in NYC, but EWR/JFK are much better served by public transport than is LGA.

I'd recommend CO or DL, simply because they have the best frequency. B6 doesn't have a very good schedule. AA is only once daily, AS only twice daily.

I'd go with DL, simply because they have better pitch in Y (33"), better IFE, and still pretty good frequency (3x daily). I've learned that frequency becomes more and more important when flights are cancelled or delayed.
 
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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:32 pm

Quoting Mason (Thread starter):
Looking at fares, it seems the best deal currently is with F9 to LGA

How much cheaper is it?

Depending on the time of day you fly, you will get some sort of food on CO, and IFE on drop-down screens. I think DL has their refurbished 757's on JFK-SEA, so you will have PTV's. B6 will be similar to DL, but with more legroom and XM radio.

Quoting Mason (Thread starter):
Seatguru has their pitch at 33", which beats everyone else.

B6 has 36" in the rows ahead of the overwing exits.

Depending on the difference between them, I would look at B6, DL, and CO.
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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:41 pm

Another factor you'll want to consider is flexibility if irregular operations occur.

If you fly B6, and flights cancel for whatever reason, you're stuck ... because B6 does not have any interline reroute agreements.

With the other carriers, if you wind up with a canceled flight or a misconnection ... the carrier will be able to much more easily reacommodate you if not on their own flights, on another airline.
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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:54 pm

Quoting Mason (Thread starter):
I know the terminal B6 uses at JFK leaves something to be desired

It's really not that bad - the only real problem apart from the fact that it is small and looks old is that it can take a while for baggage to arrive.

Connecting in Denver is a snap, so I wouldn't worry about that.

I'd recommend either B6 or F9 - the PTVs should help your sister with her stress, and the service is generally more friendly than the majors (not a criticism of the majors - they have a more businesslike product).

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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:08 pm

I'm a little biased I guess, but DL would be your best choice, depending on the price.

As others have said, B6 just doesn't have the frequency, and Delta's IFE is great. I love the HBO on their IFE. And the trivia game is pretty fun. The "new" 757s are great too! I'm not sure timing, but you'll probably be able to buy a nice meal on board... I think Delta is bringing that back in coach... and if you get first class, real service is back with metal cutlery, glass for the drinks, and a choice of meals.
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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:28 pm

I always have a nice experience with Continental. I have recently booked Delta for an upcoming trip, and already regret it for several reasons... but they don't relate to your question.
That said, JetBlue should also be a nice ride. But I'm a Boeing kind of guy.
Just cough up a tad extra dough and fly nonstop, especially if it puts her at ease.

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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:40 pm

Quoting Fanoftristars (Reply 8):
I'm a little biased I guess, but DL would be your best choice

Not if you're looking to avoid stress. Flying out of DL's terminal at JFK is as bad as it gets.

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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:35 pm

Call me biased if you must, but I say take AS.

2X daily nonstops to EWR, brand new 738s with personal IFE onboard, a great FF program and simply the best service.
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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:53 pm

Well I live in Seattle and used to live in NYC, I still go to NYC about 6-7 times a year, so I figured I should share some experiences. Actually all the comments here are pretty much covered already. I will only talk about nonstop flight.

AA:
I happened to fly AA there the most just because I have miles with AA the most and sometimes to connect to international flight to Europe. One reason to choose AA is that you can show off your friend the brand new terminal 8/9 of AA at JFK upon arrival. (I believe on the way back JFK-SEA, they still use the old terminal 8) If you go on B6 or DL, those terminal 2/3 or 6 are among the oldest and always give the visitors bad impression about JFK airport.
DL:
I flew DL often as well, not every flights to/from JFK are featured with PTV. It's pretty random, hard to tell which flight has it. I think the service is a bit better thatn AA with free snack box. I believe they still fly 3 times a day that give you more choices of time to choose.
B6:
They only have red-eye which can be a preference to some people. As they say, pretty much the same as DL on their red-eye one but a bit bigger pitch. The tix are not usually the cheapest.
CO:
I only flew on their red-eye, the tix is usually more expensive than others. They serve meals on the day-flight. Terminal C at EWR is just among the average but I think it's better than other terminals at EWR. CO also offers 3 flights a day just like DL.
AS:
I've never flown AS on the route.

The fare:
It varies, but from my experience, for nonstop, AA and DL always are the cheapest, or you can try with connections.

Service:
I think CO is slightly better, DL,B6 are not bad, well it depends on the F/A, any airlines can be good or bad. After all these are all American carrier, you cant expect much.

Day flight VS Red-eye on SEA-NYC leg:
My personal opinion is:
1)Red-eye (CO,B6,DL) is good only that you can take the day off from work the least (work all day in Seattle and go to the airport at 10PM). It's a lot less crowded at night in Sea-Tac, no line in anywhere. The actual flying time of 4.40 hrs will give you only 3.30-4 hrs to sleep and arrive at JFK in the morning. The night is over but you will feel tired all day and have to take a few hours nap which to me, I think it kinda ruins my vacation time.
2)Morning flight (AA,CO,DL,AS) I think is the best. You might have to wake up a bit early to go to the airport but you get to nap over the flight. When you get to NYC at 4-5PM get to the city at 6PM, you can still have dinner, do something else and get a full night sleep. I think it's the best way to adjust the time. The only negative thing is that once you get to NYC airspace, it would take longer to get you to the ground, especially to JFK.
3)Noon/afternoon flight (CO,DL,AS) is Ok for adjusting time but you really lose the whole day on traveling. You get to NYC around 11PM-midnight. The air traffic is also bad at JFK at the time too.

Morning VS evening on NYC-SEA leg:
My personal opinion is:
1)Morning (AS,CO,DL) is good that at least you can get back to work in Seattle at 11AM if you need to work on at day. You get up early in NYC but nap over the flight is OK.
2)Evening (AA,AS,DL,CO) DL and CO have 2 (early/later) evening flights. You can hang in NYC until 3PM which is not bad.

Getting to/from airports:
JFK: lots of people complain but my suggestion is to take airtrain to Jamaica and take E-train or LIRR to penn station. Taking LIRR will be the fastest way, the train comes very often (my record is from the plane to Manhattan is only 30 mins without waiting for a luggage of course). Taxi can take more time to the city in most cases. Take airtrain to Howard Beach and connect to A train only if you live in Brooklyn.
EWR: take airtrain and connect to NJ transit to Penn Station (from the plane to Manhattan can be 45-65 mins) Taxi can take longer.
To me, both airports are OK as far as getting to Manhattan.

My last tip is:
The most impressive way to go from Seattle to New York City:
Drive or take a bus to YVR airport and take CX to JFK. You will get to fly 747-400 on Rolls-Royce engines with a full meal service from the top asian carrier plus a dessert before landing at JFK. It's just a crazy idea LOL.

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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:51 am

No offense but if you are worried about saving 20 bucks.. maybe you shouldnt be going on this trip....

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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:37 am

Thanks for all the help.

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 13):
No offense but if you are worried about saving 20 bucks.. maybe you shouldnt be going on this trip....

True, but as a student, if my travel budget is $X dollars, by saving $20 on my flight, I can afford to eat out more, or at a nicer place. It's like an entire free meal, plus if I don't give up anything on F9 (and possibly gain much over they other guys), why not? Wasting money makes no sense, no matter how much you have.

Quoting NewYorkCityBoi (Reply 12):
The most impressive way to go from Seattle to New York City:
Drive or take a bus to YVR airport and take CX to JFK. You will get to fly 747-400 on Rolls-Royce engines with a full meal service from the top asian carrier plus a dessert before landing at JFK. It's just a crazy idea LOL

A great idea, but clearing customs twice, just to end up in the same country where I started just adds stress, which as I have mentioned, is undesirable. If it was just me, yeah, a great idea.

Having never flown into LGA, how is getting to MIdtown?
 
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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:59 am

Quoting NewYorkCityBoi (Reply 12):
Terminal C at EWR is just among the average but I think it's better than other terminals at EWR

I've flown into Terminal C at EWR on multiple occasions, and I though it was quite nice, especially in regard to its food options. Terminal C probalby exceeds the vast majority of terminals in the US when it comes to dining options; my favorite there (although definitely not the cheapest) is Gallagher's Steakhouse. EWR Terminal C is much better than any of the JFK terminals in terms of this, although I don't know what JFK T9 is like. I will say that the terminal is starting to show a few signs of significant use as I believe its nearly 20 years old, but CO has done a great job with it, especially the newish international concourse.
 
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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:00 am

Quoting JBo (Reply 6):

If you fly B6, and flights cancel for whatever reason, you're stuck ... because B6 does not have any interline reroute agreements.

They're not a useful as one might think. Most delays are because of weather (70-something percent) and not many airlines will reroute weather-delayed pax on another airline.

As far as what to choose: go for non-stops. B6 for legroom (if you're tall), otherwise any other non-stop based on price & schedule.

Quoting NewYorkCityBoi (Reply 12):
You will get to fly 747-400 on Rolls-Royce engines

Some people here might care, but is the OP's sister really going to care about "Rolls-Royce engines"? That option will probably be more costly and less impressive than taking US Helicopter from EWR (CO) or JFK (DL).
 
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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:03 am

Quoting Analog (Reply 16):
Some people here might care

Us a.netters sure love our domestic (or lets just say "short-haul" in the case of YVR-JFK) flights on 747's! Big grin
You know which airline I'd take from SEA to NYC; I'd make the drive up to YVR and take CX's RR-powered 744 (actually, some have PW's). She might care since she'd be on a "big plane," have wonderful service, great meal, etc.
 
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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:27 am

Quoting 747fan (Reply 17):
You know which airline I'd take from SEA to NYC; I'd make the drive up to YVR and take CX's RR-powered 744 (actually, some have PW's). She might care since she'd be on a "big plane," have wonderful service, great meal, etc.

Ha, ha. Can you count the number of times she would ask me "Why are we doing this instead of flying from Seattle?" as we wait in line at the border? I used to feel that way about getting "cool" flights, but now, I look for price, comfort, and convenience. A sign of maturity? Perhaps. As we are not planning on going until sometime early next year, I will wait and see how fares pan out.

Still, how is getting from LGA into Midtown? I've never done this. Thanks.
 
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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:55 am

Quoting Mason (Reply 18):
Still, how is getting from LGA into Midtown? I've never done this. Thanks.

Go by cab - more expensive than the bus (estimate about $20-30) but far less hassle.

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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:46 pm

Quoting Mason (Reply 18):
Still, how is getting from LGA into Midtown? I've never done this. Thanks.

The only way to get into Midtown from LGA is by cab or bus, as there's no subway stops within proximity to LGA or no rail connectors like AirTrain. I've only flown into EWR and JFK, so I don't know about the cost of a cab ride into Midtown from LaGuardia; its probably not too expensive as LGA is about 8-10 miles from Midtown.
 
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RE: To NYC: F9 Vs. B6, AA, AS, CO, DL

Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:33 pm

Quoting NewYorkCityBoi (Reply 12):
I believe on the way back JFK-SEA, they still use the old terminal 8)

Nope. AA's brand new Terminal 9 is now called Terminal 8, and every single flight in/out of JFK operates from it.

Quoting NewYorkCityBoi (Reply 12):
not every flights to/from JFK are featured with PTV. It's pretty random, hard to tell which flight has it.

While some may find it difficult to tell which flights have the upgraded interior, it's actually easy. Any 757 with 7 rows of F seats has TVs. By the way, every DL non-stop from JFK to SEA has these birds scheduled. It's possible that you got a last minute equipment change.

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