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Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Service

Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:03 am

Hi all,

I'd like to raise this question here on Civil Aviation.

Looking for some markets,i realize that CNF , Belo Horizonte, Brazil with almost 3.5 million people, should be the biggest city without any international non-stop service.

Any other major city without such kind of service ?

Am i right ?


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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:36 pm

Quite a few Chinese and Indian cities with over 1 million inhabitants and no intl. service I think.
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:47 pm

What about Baghdad with close to 7M people and yet no airservice.

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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:28 pm

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 2):
What about Baghdad with close to 7M people and yet no airservice.

Well, we got that stupid war going on now. If it wasn't for that, I believe they would have intl flights.
 
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:33 pm

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 3):
Well, we got that stupid war going on now. If it wasn't for that, I believe they would have intl flights.

I think there is to Jordan or Syria, but i dont think its scheduled. As mentioned cities in China and India with more than 1 million people which dont have intl service, there are over a 100 cities in china with over a million population.
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:26 pm

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 2):
What about Baghdad with close to 7M people and yet no airservice.

Well there's plenty of air service just not a lot of it is commercial
 
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:36 pm

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 3):
Well, we got that stupid war going on now. If it wasn't for that, I believe they would have intl flights.

Since 1991 there have been no international flights to Iraq...so your contention is wrong, unless the sanction were lifted.
 
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:03 pm

Royal Jordanian does indeed have scheduled flights to Baghdad:

RJ 812 dp AMM 10:15 AM ar BGW 11:45 AM Fokker 100
RJ 810 dp AMM 10:30 AM ar BGW 12:00 PM Fokker 100

RJ 813 dp BGW 12:45 PM ar AMM 2:25 PM Fokker 100
RJ 811 dp BGW 1:00 PM ar AMM 2:40 PM Fokker 100

That's for Saturday, October 6th. Other days have more flights.
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:50 pm

Are these the only two flights of the day? I love how they leave within 15 minutes of each other
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:47 pm

Ciudad Juarez (CJS) has over 1 million inhabitants and no international service. Should AM ever drop the TIJ-NRT flight, Tijuana would be in the >1M cities without international service club. Not surprising given that this are border cities.
 
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:22 pm

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 6):
Since 1991 there have been no international flights to Iraq...so your contention is wrong, unless the sanction were lifted.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security...ction/iraq1/civflight/cvflyidx.htm
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:34 pm

Bursa, 4th largest city in Turkey, population close to 2mil. has no international service, I don't even know the extend of domestic service. 3 hours away from Istanbul, people usually drive to IST.
 
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:07 pm

I don't know about the world, but the largest metro area in the U.S. without intercontinental service is the Riverside/San Bernardino/Ontario, CA metro area (AKA the Inland Empire), as ONT's only international flights are to Mexico. Of course, intercontinental flights are available an hour or so (traffic makes it much worse of course) at LAX. It is the 13th-largest metro area in the U.S. with 3.3 million people.

The largest U.S. metro area without any scheduled international passenger service (including Canada and Mexico) is the Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Newport News, VA metro area (AKA Hampton Roads), since neither ORF or PHF have any such service, not even flights to Cancun or Toronto. It is the 33nd-largest metro area in the U.S. with 1.6 million people.
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:39 am

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 1):
Quite a few Chinese and Indian cities with over 1 million inhabitants and no intl. service I think.

I think BuyantUkhaa is on the right track. Which of these cities, if any, do not have int'l service? There are probably many cities in the world with populations of 1 million or more that have no international service. This list only goes down to 3 million.

Wuhan-China 7.1 million
Tianjin-China 7.0 million
Chongging-China 6.4 million
Hyderabad-India 6.1 million
Shenyang-China 4.7 million
Dongguan-China 4.3 million
Bandung-Indonesia 4.1 million
Haerbin-China 3.7 million
Surat-India 3.6 million
Busan-South Korea 3.6 million
Recife-Brasil 3.5 million
Guiyang-China 3.5 million
Fortaleza-Brasil 3.2 million
Dalian-China 3.0 million
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:11 am

Quoting Reality (Reply 13):
Which of these cities, if any, do not have int'l service? There are probably many cities in the world with populations of 1 million or more that have no international service. This list only goes down to 3 million.

Wuhan-China 7.1 million
Tianjin-China 7.0 million
Chongging-China 6.4 million
Hyderabad-India 6.1 million
Shenyang-China 4.7 million
Dongguan-China 4.3 million
Bandung-Indonesia 4.1 million
Haerbin-China 3.7 million
Surat-India 3.6 million
Busan-South Korea 3.6 million
Recife-Brasil 3.5 million
Guiyang-China 3.5 million
Fortaleza-Brasil 3.2 million
Dalian-China 3.0 million

According to OAG, all cities above have at least a few international flights except Wuhan, Bandung, Surat which only have domestic service, and Dongguan which doesn't have an airport (it's adjacent to Guangzhou/CAN).

[Edited 2007-10-05 18:45:25]
 
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:16 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 12):
I don't know about the world, but the largest metro area in the U.S. without intercontinental service is the Riverside/San Bernardino/Ontario, CA metro area (AKA the Inland Empire), as ONT's only international flights are to Mexico. Of course, intercontinental flights are available an hour or so (traffic makes it much worse of course) at LAX. It is the 13th-largest metro area in the U.S. with 3.3 million people.

It shouldn't really count as a metro area, as it is really an extension of the Los Angeles metro.
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:22 am

Quoting Reality (Reply 13):
Fortaleza-Brasil 3.2 million

Not true. TACV flies there using 757s.

Quoting Reality (Reply 13):
Haerbin-China

Kidding, right? They get Korean Air, Asiana, SAT, and CZ service to ICN and KIJ. Heck, not too long ago they had a flight to LAX (made a stop there IIRC).

Quoting Reality (Reply 13):
Wuhan-China 7.1 million
Tianjin-China 7.0 million

Wrong again.

Quoting Reality (Reply 13):
Shenyang

Wrong again.

Quoting Reality (Reply 13):
Busan-South Korea

Wrong again.

Quoting Reality (Reply 13):
Dalian-China

Wrong! JAL and ANA even fly 767s there.
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:38 am

From Wikipedia
Wuhan: Korean Air WUH-ICN

Tianjin: Korean, Asiana and Air China to Seoul, ANA and Japan Airlines to Nagoya, Vladivostok Air to Abakan & Ekaterinburg (seasonal?), S7 Airlines (Bangkok, Novosibirsk) (starting Oct 18 2007)

Chongqing: Asiana Airlines (Seoul-Incheon), Philippine Airlines (Manila), SilkAir (Singapore)

Hyderabad: Too many to list, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begumpet_Airport

Shenyang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_Taoxian_International_Airport (including Asiana to Busan - further down the list so we can cross that one off too)

Dongguan - As far as I could find they don't have an airport, even though there is mention that they do if you do a google search, there is not an airport in google earth at the coordinate given here - http://www.flightstats.com/go/Airpor.../airportDetails.do?airportCode=DGM -for example, not really a candidate?

Bandung-Indonesia: BDO-KUL, AirAsia and Merpati
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husein_Sastranegara_International_Airport

Harbin-China: Seoul and Vladivostok
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbin_Taiping_International_Airport

Surat-India 3.6 million: Appear only to have a service to Dehli, so it is a candidate
http://www.suratairport.com/flight_schedule.html

Busan-South Korea: Lots of international services
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busan_Airport

Recife-Brasil: Paris, Lisbon and Milan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guararapes_International_Airport

Guiyang-China 3.5 million - A candidate in my view (although Macau and Hong Kong are claimed as international destinations)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longbaodong

Fortaleza-Brasil: Lisbon (TAP) and Milan and Warsaw (may be charters?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinto_Martins_International_Airport

Dalian-China: Osaka, Tokyo, Seoul, Vladivostok and a few others in Russia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalian_Airport
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:44 am

How about PIT, with over 2.4 million people and the 20th largest MSA in the USA. Of course it's the only big metro that is losing population, but I hope this trend ceases very soon!
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:07 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 16):
Wrong again.

He wasn't wrong. If you read his post he was asking a question -- Which of those cities have no international service?

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 16):
Quoting Reality (Reply 13):
Fortaleza-Brasil 3.2 million

TACV flies there using 757s.

Also TP daily nonstop A330-200 to/from LIS.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 18):
How about PIT, with over 2.4 million people and the 20th largest MSA in the USA.

AC PIT-YYZ, CO PIT-YUL and USA3000 PIT-Cancun.

STL is another large US metro area (approx. 3 million) with almost no international service since the demise of TWA. Just a few seasonal flights to Mexico I believe, and AC to YYZ.
 
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:50 am

JAX?

I mean they are home to BA's America call center and don't have any international flights. Use to, with AC service to YYZ but thats over with.
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:54 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
AC PIT-YYZ, CO PIT-YUL and USA3000 PIT-Cancun.

and soon-to-be MBJ. And I misread the thread. I thought it read intercontinental, but as I went back to read it again, I was mistaken, and I apologize.
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:13 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
Any other major city without such kind of service ?

Too lazy to check, but the following might qualify (looking at world map, cities > 1m):

Mexico:
Puebla

Venezuela:
Valencia
Maracaibo(?)

Brazil:
Goiania
Curitiba
Belo Horizonte

Nigeria:
Ibadan

Egypt:
Gizeh (debatable, I know)
Alexandria?

Iran:
Mashhad
Esfahan

India:
Jaipur
Lucknow
Bhopal
Indore
Vadodara
Ahmadabad
Surat
Pune
Nagpur

China:
Qiqihar
Changchun
Fushun
Anshan
Baotou
Datong
Taiyuan
Shijiazuang
Handan
Jibo
Zibo
Qingdao
Luoyang
Zhengzhou
Langzhou
Huainan
Chongoing
Hangzhou
Ningbo
Nanchang
Fuzhou
Changsa
Xi'an
Nanning

Korea:
Taejon
Taegu
Kwangju

Japan:
Yokohama
Kyoto
Hiroshima
Kobe
Fukuoka

Vietnam:
Hai Phong

Indonesia:
Bandung
Semarang
Surabaya

Philipines:
Quezon City

Again, these cities may have international service, it's just that I'm not aware of any.

I'll check some Russian ones later if I have time.
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:22 am

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 22):
Valencia
Maracaibo(?)

Both of those have n/s service to Miami, and soon Marcaibo will have Aeropostal service to FLL, IIRC MAR also has some flights to Colombia.
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:55 am

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 22):
Japan:
Yokohama
Kyoto
Hiroshima
Kobe
Fukuoka

Yokohama is part of the Tokyo Metropolitan area, so it's served by HND and NRT. Kyoto and Kobe are part of the Kansai area, and even though Kobe has its own airport, international services are done through KIX. Fukuoka is served by many international airlines, a few of which are CX, CI, and PR.

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 22):
Philippines:
Quezon City

QC is part of Metro Manila, so it's served by the airports of MNL and CRK.
 
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:45 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 18):
Of course it's the only big metro that is losing population

...where on Earth do you get that from??
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:51 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 25):
...where on Earth do you get that from??

I was referring to the top 20 MSAs in the USA. According to many posts on here in the past that contained cited census information, PIT is the only MSA that lost population from 1990-2000. I hope this clears up the ambiguity. My apologies.
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:21 am

Quoting Reality (Reply 13):
Tianjin-China 7.0 million

Dongguan-China 4.3 million

I guess you don't need too many international airports around. Tianjin is about an hour from Beijing and Dongguan isn't too far from Guangzhou, Shenzhen and Hong Kong either for that matter.
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:26 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
It shouldn't really count as a metro area, as it is really an extension of the Los Angeles metro.

You'd think so, but technically the census bureau has counted it as a separate metro since the 2000 census. Before that it was part of the L.A. metro. But if you link them together, then the largest metro without intercontinental service is San Diego.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 26):
I was referring to the top 20 MSAs in the USA. According to many posts on here in the past that contained cited census information, PIT is the only MSA that lost population from 1990-2000. I hope this clears up the ambiguity. My apologies.

This is true - of the top 20 metros, Pittsburgh was the only one to lose population during the 1990s, losing 1.5% over the decade. Buffalo is the second largest metro to do so, ranking 42nd in 2000 and losing people at 1.6% over the decade. Also on the list in the top 100 are Syracuse (#72, -1.5%), Youngstown Ohio (#78, -1.7%), and Scranton PA (#83, -2.5%). All of them are within 140 miles of each other, in the extended Allegheny Plateau area.
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:24 pm

Hiroshima?

Didn't SQ fly into Hiroshima at one time? What happened to that service?
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:05 pm

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 22):
Indonesia:
Bandung
Semarang
Surabaya

Bandung (BDO):
to KUL by AK

Semarang (SRG):
to SIN by GA

Surabaya:
to SIN by GA, MI, Valuair
to KUL by MZ, MH, AK
to HKG by CX
to TPE by BR
to BWN by BI

I may have missed some others.
 
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:52 am

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 29):
Hiroshima?

HIJ has a few international flights currently:

CI to TPE
OZ to ICN
CA and CZ to DLC
MU to PVG
 
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:09 am

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 22):
Alexandria?

I know EK fly there from DXB (Can't be bothered to check for more)

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 22):
Ahmadabad

As I was flying EK yesterday, I saw that in there magazine they were advertising their new service to Ahmadabad.

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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:42 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 32):
Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 22):
Alexandria?

I know EK fly there from DXB (Can't be bothered to check for more)

ALY has 8 or 9 international services to various points in Europe and the Middle East, for example LH to FRA, OA to ATH, BMED to LHR.
 
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:46 am

How about CBR Canberra 'International' Airport and serving Australia's capital city of 330,000 people. Not a single international flight.

http://www.canberraairport.com.au/fl_ma.htm

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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:18 am

In Brazil from major cities, just Belo Horizonte does not hold an international non-stop. CWB, POA, SSA, REC, FOR, BEL and MAO holds services.

VIX and GYN are smaller, closer to 1 Million people.

So considering Brazil, and also Latin America, Belo Horizonte is by far the biggest, closer to 3.6 million nowadays (projected)
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RE: Biggest City W/o International Non-stop Servic

Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:09 pm

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 22):
Yokohama



Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 22):
Kyoto



Quoting LurveBus (Reply 24):
Yokohama is part of the Tokyo Metropolitan area, so it's served by HND and NRT. Kyoto and Kobe are part of the Kansai area, and even though Kobe has its own airport, international services are done through KIX. Fukuoka is served by many international airlines, a few of which are CX, CI, and PR.

Yokohama is a city on its own and the 2nd largest of Japan. NRT and HND are both in Tokyo. Like Kyoto it doesn't have it's own international Airport.

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 29):
Hiroshima?
Didn't SQ fly into Hiroshima at one time? What happened to that service?

I don't know if SQ did but PG does right now with direct services from BKK to HIJ and vv.
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