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Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:44 pm

I know it has been discussed many times, but can't reach through the "search" function.
So if you could help me with the usual;
-How to enter Havana and back to US with a US passport
-Cheap fares, what carriers (not looking into exotic Russian types), like to do one stop only from NYC area.

I might be travelling first week of December for a few days.
Thanks for all your tips.
 
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:31 am

From the NYC area go via NAS or Mexico, those countries provide the most frequencies to cuba, but you can also co via the Dominican Republic.

cheers,

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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:50 am

If you qualify for Cuba travel, American and Continental have charter service from Miami, but you have to qualify and meet certain criteria, such as being on philanthropy, being a journalist, being on official business, etc.

If you are a U.S. citizen and don't qualify, travel to Cuba is illegal but often circumvented by going through other countries. If you have citizenship elsewhere or dual citizenship somewhere, you can go via another country (Canada, Mexico, and caribbean nations usually) but don't use a US passport. But again it is illegal if you have a U.S. passport and I can't give you any recommendations in that case, other than visit Jamaica, the Domincan Republic, or Puerto Rico instead.
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:25 am

You'll need to go through Canada, Mexico, or the Caribbean. It is my understanding that Cuban authorities don't stamp US passports, but you might have to ask them not to just to be safe. Don't leave a paper trail, get your story straight ahead of time, and avoid bringing home lots of "made in Cuba" merchandise. As long as you don't come back from your weeklong January vacation in "Montreal" with all kinds of sunburns, you should probably be ok  Smile.
 
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:02 am

Well if you qualify, Family, Journalist, research etc.. Than as said before Gulfstream International, American, Continental, ATA all have Charter flights from MIA to Cuba. I pretty sure I read somewhere any flight between the US and Cuba most originate or land in MIA. Other than that, fly to Canada, Bahamas, Mexico. Here in Miami if you cant take the many charters available the popular thing to do is go to the Bahamas.
But never get your passport stamped. Make sure it is not stamped if it is you are going to have a problem.
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:23 am

TK787:
I really would hate to give illegal advice at this site.  Wink

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Cheap fares, what carriers (not looking into exotic Russian types),

Then why bother?
That is part of the fun. Also, Cubana is cheaper than any other carrier to Havana.
Find out which cities get the IL-62, Yak 42 or IL-96 that have direct service from your airport. I presume JFK, right?
The IL-62 and Yak-42D are classic Soviet jetliners and a thrill to fly on.
The IL-96 is a completely modern aircraft on par with the A340 and 777.


AlexPorter is telling you the right thing in terms of keeping you out of trouble.
RwSEA is also telling you how to avoid getting in to trouble.  Smile
I'd strongly advise against going through Canada. DON'T DO IT!
US Customs are at Canadian airports. You are much better off going through Mexico, Venezuela, Panama or Costa Rica.

Check your IM for more info.  Smile


Off topic;
seeing that you are a 'winemaker' in the state of New York, you may take special interest in this thread I started last week.  Smile
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:06 pm

This thread makes me wonder: For non-US citizens, is it possible to fly from the U.S. to Cuba all on one ticket? For example, can a French citizen (for example) fly SEA-MEX-HAV on Aeromexico on one ticket? Is Aeromexico allowed to issue tickets between the U.S. and Cuba? Or do they need to be two separate tickets, like pre-2007 DAL to non-Wright Amendment states travel on Southwest?
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:05 pm

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 7):
For non-US citizens, is it possible to fly from the U.S. to Cuba all on one ticket?

No, it isn't. To do that, you'd have to have the whole journey booked in the same PNR. US carriers run revenue integrity checks to ensure that their space is not booked in the same PNR as travel to Cuba, North Korea etc - if it is, the carrier is in breach of US law. US-based travel agents cannot even book such a journey via their GDS's, but agents outside the US can.
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:06 pm

Thanks a bunch folks,
Just the right info I was looking for.
 
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Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:53 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 8):
US carriers run revenue integrity checks to ensure that their space is not booked in the same PNR as travel to Cuba, North Korea etc - if it is, the carrier is in breach of US law.

But is it possible on a foreign carrier? Like is PHX-MEX-HAV on Aeromexico legal for non-US citizens & nationals?
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
If you have citizenship elsewhere or dual citizenship somewhere, you can go via another country (Canada, Mexico, and caribbean nations usually) but don't use a US passport.

I know it is illegal for US citizens to go to Cuba (unless certain circumstances apply) but what about US permanent residents with European passports? If I get a Cuba entry stamp into my German passport and then return (via another country) to the US with my US green card would I have problems?

I am just curious - I don't have any plans to go to Cuba (or other 'forbidden' countries such as N. Korea).

Does anybody know?

Thanks
 
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Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:48 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 10):
But is it possible on a foreign carrier? Like is PHX-MEX-HAV on Aeromexico legal for non-US citizens & nationals?

Yes, I believe so - although I'm not sure what the rules are about ticketing such a journey in the US. Maybe an AM office can do it, but a US travel agent can't.
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:14 pm

Quoting LDIkaros (Reply 11):
If I get a Cuba entry stamp into my German passport and then return (via another country) to the US with my US green card would I have problems?

No problems for you at all.
Technically, you are a German national and the restriction does not apply to you.
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:56 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 8):
US carriers run revenue integrity checks to ensure that their space is not booked in the same PNR as travel to Cuba, North Korea etc - if it is, the carrier is in breach of US law.

Actually, it's not illegal for Americans to go to North Korea - you can't bring goods back with you, but it's perfectly legal to travel there and spend money for hotels, food, etc.

Here's the consular info sheet.

It's not highly recommended, especially as there's no US embassy there - representation is by Sweden - and if you get sick you can't be evacuated to South Korea.

As far as I know, Cuba is the only country we have such a harsh travel ban against. I can even legally buy a ticket to Burma, although the US financial transaction restrictions are so tight now that I couldn't use my credit cards or traveler's checks there. There are other countries which I couldn't bring merchandise back from, but as far as I know Cuba is the only country in the world that I have to have advance permission from my government to legally travel to. It strikes me as a little strange.
 
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:16 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
I'd strongly advise against going through Canada. DON'T DO IT!

This is golden advice. As established, it's illegal in most circumstances for you to go and spend US dollars in Cuba, but if you're going to do it, Canada is the worst option. I will tell you, however, that I have seen many Cubans living in the US at PTY.

Despite all their shortcoming, US Immigration has a good idea as to who is using a third country to illegally visit Cuba. Why risk it when you can visit Puerto Rico, Jamaica, etc., etc. and wait for travel to be legal (my guess that it won't be too far off in the future).
 
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:07 pm

Advice? Easy, DON'T GO!!!!! It's illegal for a reason. Don't spend our American dollars to support Castro and his communist regime. Pretty simple eh?
 
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:58 am

Quoting Lobster (Reply 16):
It's illegal for a reason.

Oh please. The reason being everyone needs the votes of the Cuban exile community in Florida - otherwise the sanctions serve no useful purpose. If it was about being Communist, how come there's no ban on travel to China ?
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:18 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 17):

Agreed.

As far as travel to Cuba... I know 2 people that went there different ways. One from Seattle and the other from Los Angeles.

My friend from Seattle drive to YVR and flew YVR - YYZ return on Harmony (when it was still operating) and YYZ - HAV return on AC. He had no problems.... but he did book his flights seperately - NOT on one ticket as someone mentioned earlier.

Then my other friend & his fiancee' travelled LAX - GCM (via MIA) on AA... and then GCM - HAV on KX.

They also had no problems... and said that Cubans treat American tourists VERY well.

While I haven't travelled to Cuba myself - I hope the info. regarding my friends Cuban trips has helped a bit!
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:17 am



Quoting LeftCoaster (Reply 18):
They also had no problems... and said that Cubans treat American tourists VERY well.

While I haven't travelled to Cuba myself - I hope the info. regarding my friends Cuban trips has helped a bit!

Duh ... I wonder why they "treat the American tourists VERY well" ??

Perhaps they need those dollars ?

Hey, IMO, if it's illegal (and I assume it would be in this case), then we shouldn't be giving advice on how best to do it... whether we agree with the sanctions or not.

Personally, I don't agree on the 35mph speed limit on my street ... but I feel it's very irresponsible to tell my neighbours it's OK to go 60mph down it.

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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:24 pm



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 19):
Hey, IMO, if it's illegal (and I assume it would be in this case), then we shouldn't be giving advice on how best to do it... whether we agree with the sanctions or not.

Personally, I don't agree on the 35mph speed limit on my street ... but I feel it's very irresponsible to tell my neighbours it's OK to go 60mph down it.

Feeling irresponsible about it... and it actually being "illegal" are 2 different things.

Stores legally sell radar detectors - don't they? And they're for helping Joe Public speed without getting caught.

Jimbo, If you don't feel the need to give advice, that's fine. But if I - or anyone else - DOES... then that's our right.

It's not illegal to give an American advice on how to travel to Cuba, which is what we're doing. An American actually travelling to Cuba ~ that's another story.

Good thing I'm Canadian!  Wink
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:20 pm



Quoting LeftCoaster (Reply 20):
Feeling irresponsible about it... and it actually being "illegal" are 2 different things.

Yes, I understand, thanks!

I said it was probably illegal what he was wanting to do, and IMO we shouldn't be giving advice on how to do illegal things.

Are you sure you are Canadian?? It's usually the Americans shouting for their rights, while forgetting about everybody elses  Wink

Yes, it's irresponsible to tell my neighbors to drive twice the speed limit, just because I think it's a 'stupid' law ... so what if it's my 'right' to do so.

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Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:37 pm



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 21):
I said it was probably illegal what he was wanting to do, and IMO we shouldn't be giving advice on how to do illegal things.

Are you sure you are Canadian?? It's usually the Americans shouting for their rights, while forgetting about everybody elses

If you don't want to give him advice - fine.

My opinion is that - illegal or not - this is a discussion forum where discussions take place. Unless you can show me the badge that shows that you're the morality police, I don't see why you'd make your original comment?!

And yes... I AM Canadian. Proudly.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:09 pm



Quoting LeftCoaster (Reply 22):
My opinion is that - illegal or not - this is a discussion forum where discussions take place.

Yes, and I entered into it with MY opinion also  Yeah sure

Quoting LeftCoaster (Reply 22):
I don't see why you'd make your original comment?

Because that was my advice ... the original post requested tips on travelling from the US to Cuba ... and I gave him mine.


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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:21 pm

I am Cuban and I will NEVER travel to Cuba until that Dictator Fidel Castro dies and goes to hell!!!!!
It can't be soon enough.
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:15 pm



Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 15):
Why risk it when you can visit Puerto Rico, Jamaica,

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
Why not include Disneyland on your list?
I've been to Puerto Rico, Jamaica and Cuba.
I liked Cuba by far more than Puerto Rico and Jamaica. That is like saying; why fly to Paris, France when you can visit Paris, Texas? Why visit New York, NY when you can visit the New York, New York Casino in Las Vegas?
I mean are you really serious?  Wow!

Quoting Lobster (Reply 16):
Don't spend our American dollars to support Castro and his communist regime. Pretty simple eh?

Yep. Spend your money in China instead.
Cuba is a MUCH bigger threat than China.  Yeah sure

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 19):
Duh ... I wonder why they "treat the American tourists VERY well" ??

Perhaps they need those dollars ?

Just like in Jamaica, Cancun, St. Thomas or just about any other 'resort'.

Quoting LeftCoaster (Reply 20):
Stores legally sell radar detectors - don't they? And they're for helping Joe Public speed without getting caught.

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...and every car sold in America can go well above the legal speed limit in all 50 states.

Quoting LeftCoaster (Reply 20):
An American actually travelling to Cuba ~ that's another story.

Over 100,000 do it every year.
No big deal.
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:33 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 25):
That is like saying; why fly to Paris, France when you can visit Paris, Texas? Why visit New York, NY when you can visit the New York, New York Casino in Las Vegas?



Quoting Superfly (Reply 25):
Yep. Spend your money in China instead.
Cuba is a MUCH bigger threat than China.



Quoting Superfly (Reply 25):
Just like in Jamaica, Cancun, St. Thomas or just about any other 'resort'.

You really have no clue  Yeah sure

Quoting Superfly (Reply 25):
...and every car sold in America can go well above the legal speed limit in all 50 states.

... and your point ..???

Quoting Superfly (Reply 25):
Over 100,000 do it every year.

Umm.. over 80% do it legally ... your point again???

There are also 100,000 rapes a year in the USA .... no big deal eh?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 25):
No big deal.

You really have no clue  Yeah sure ... oh, I already said that!


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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:03 pm

[quote=Superfly,reply=25]I liked Cuba by far more than Puerto Rico and Jamaica. That is like saying; why fly to Paris, France when you can visit Paris, Texas? Why visit New York, NY when you can visit the New York, New York Casino in Las Vegas?
I mean are you really serious? [/quot

You liked Cuba the best because you don't have any family living there. If you had family living there your opinion would be totally different. Any Cuban that reads this thread would agree with me.
You don't get it do you? Fidel Castro fixed up all the tourist attractions, resorts, etc. so the foreign tourist could bring big bucks into Cuba. Meanwhile the Cuban people are starving to death and depending on all their relatives who live in the USA for support. Don't give me the bull that other countries are going through the same thing because those other countries are NOT communist.
And by the way going to Cuba from the USA is ILLEGAL yet people still do it and I hope some day they get caught doing it.
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:28 pm



Quoting Faustino927 (Reply 27):
Fidel Castro fixed up all the tourist attractions

I wouldn't know. I didn't stay at any tourist attractions. In fact, I made sure to stay out of crappy 'tourist attractions' such as Veradero. If native Cubans weren't allowed, then I didn't go there. That was the main thing I didn't like about Cuba.

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 26):
You really have no clue

Hmmm well I've been to all the places you listed, so I guess I have a clue.  wave 

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 26):
There are also 100,000 rapes a year in the USA .... no big deal eh?

Poor analogy. Visiting Cuba is as bad as rape? Dude you're funny. Big grin

Fidel Castro will die just as all of us will eventually die. Fidel's death will be very soon and those down in Miami will use that as an excuss to riot AGAIN and tear things up as they have done before when ever Fidel Castro is in the news.




These Cuba threads always turn out controversial.



TK787:
If you do go, have a great time and nevermind the usually suspects that will always have a bone to pick or an axe to grind.
To them it will always be sour grapes.


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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:35 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
Poor analogy. Visiting Cuba is as bad as rape? Dude you're funny.

No, not funny. The poor analogy was:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 25):
Over 100,000 do it every year.
No big deal.

OK.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
Fidel Castro will die just as all of us will eventually die.

Very educated comment ... thanks for the input.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
that will always have a bone to pick or an axe to grind.
To them it will always be sour grapes.

No bones or axes ...and certainly no sour grapes. Just an understanding of the situation instead of obvious ignorance .. that's all  Smile


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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:46 pm

Fidel Castro will die just as all of us will eventually die. Fidel's death will be very soon and those down in Miami will use that as an excuss to riot AGAIN and tear things up as they have done before when ever Fidel Castro is in the news.

Obviously you are not from Miami. We don't "riot" we "celebrate" and we don't tear things up. And yes, we have reason to celebrate the death of that inhuman monster named Fidel Castro. He has had Cuba in chains for over 40 years.
So get your facts right and don't say anything you don't know.
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RE: Need Tips On Travel From US To Havana, Cuba

Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:01 am



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 17):
Oh please. The reason being everyone needs the votes of the Cuban exile community in Florida - otherwise the sanctions serve no useful purpose. If it was about being Communist, how come there's no ban on travel to China ?

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