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Shortest UK-International Route?

Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:05 pm

What is the shortest commercial route from the U.K to a International destination?

Liverpool - Dublin perhaps?

Or Isle Of Man - Dublin? (is the Isle Of Man part of the UK? Showing my ignorance here!).

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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:14 pm

The Isle of Man and the Bailiwicks of Jersey and Guernsey are not part of Great Britain, they are not part of the United Kingdom and neither are they part of the European Union. They are self-governing British Crown dependencies.

Therefore I would think the shortest UK-International route would be between Blackpool and IOM at 99.01 miles, just a little shorter than IOM-Belfast.
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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:29 pm

EGKA - LFAT (Shoreham - Le Touquet) : 87 miles on SkySouth
 
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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:50 pm



Quoting BlooBirdie (Reply 2):

Which aircraft flys that though, forgive my ignorance.

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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:52 pm



Quoting BlooBirdie (Reply 2):
EGKA - LFAT (Shoreham - Le Touquet) : 87 miles on SkySouth

Lydd - le Touqet on Lydd Air would be shorter at around 40 miles
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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:53 pm



Quoting BA787 (Reply 3):
Which aircraft flys that though, forgive my ignorance.

They use PA-31 Piper Chieftain
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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:54 pm



Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):

Thanks

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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:57 pm



Quoting BA787 (Reply 6):
Thanks

You are welcome.
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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:09 pm

If one looks at shortest jet routes, I believe LHR-BRU is the shortest at 190 nautical miles.

I went to the Great Circle Mapper at http://gc.kls2.com and did LHR-BRU (190 nm). Then I had a circle drawn around LHR at 190 nm, and found that only the northernmost part of France, much of Belgium, and a tiny portion of Holland are encompassed by that circle. Ireland lies beyond that range from LHR.

Unless there are airports in the extreme north of France with service to London, I think Brussells is the closest international city with mainline service to London.
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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:09 pm

Lydd to Le Touquet:

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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:49 pm



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 8):
If one looks at shortest jet routes, I believe LHR-BRU is the shortest at 190 nautical miles.

DUB-BLK at 136m, DUB-LPL at 142m and NWI-AMS on KLM at 149m are all jet routes.

Not sure what aircraft they use, but and EXT-BES on Flybe is 164m. Short international routes, but on a prop are LDY-DUB at 118m, GWY-BHD is 149m.
 
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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:08 am



Quoting BCAL (Reply 1):
The Isle of Man and the Bailiwicks of Jersey and Guernsey are not part of Great Britain, they are not part of the United Kingdom and neither are they part of the European Union. They are self-governing British Crown dependencies.

Just curious, do you have to clear immigration and customs on flights between the UK and the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands? I always thought they were basically considered domestic flights although I recognize their different status. For that matter, aren't flights from LHR to BDA or GCM also legally considered domestic? Foreign carriers can't serve those routes as it's considered cabotage.
 
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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:25 am



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
do you have to clear immigration and customs on flights between the UK and the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands?

Not normally provided that you have a UK passport.
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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:34 pm



Quoting BCAL (Reply 12):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
do you have to clear immigration and customs on flights between the UK and the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands?

Not normally provided that you have a UK passport.

No immigration is cleared from the UK, however you do clear customs, albeit in a very cursory manner.
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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:50 pm

PanAm747 said:

"Unless there are airports in the extreme north of France with service to London, I think Brussells is the closest international city with mainline service to London."

... which is probably true. However, LCY-BRU is shorter than LHR-BRU by 21 miles... LCY is further east.
 
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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:08 pm



Quoting Mcr (Reply 14):
PanAm747 said:

"Unless there are airports in the extreme north of France with service to London, I think Brussells is the closest international city with mainline service to London."

... which is probably true. However, LCY-BRU is shorter than LHR-BRU by 21 miles... LCY is further east.

Rotterdam is slightly shorter than Brussels, and I would consider KLM as "mainline" in the case of LHR-RTM although they only use the Fokker 50 on that route. I believe KL's LHR-RTM and LHR-EIN Fokker 50s are the only scheduled turboprop flights at LHR now. I expect those KL slots at LHR are likely to be used for longhaul USA flights when Open Skies arrives in March.

LHR-BRU 190 nm
LHR-RTM 185 nm

LCY-BRU 171 nm
LCY-RTM 166 nm
 
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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:09 pm

How about Londonderry (or Derry) to Dublin 102 nm
 
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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:27 pm

Other short flights from Britain;

SOU-JER 126 mi
PLH-JER 120 mi
EXT-JER 119 mi
SOU-GCI 118 mi
BOH-JER 110 mi
EXT-GCI 97 mi

BOH-JER doesn't seem to exist any more, but it certainly used to operate.


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RE: Shortest UK-International Route?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:38 pm

Do British colonies count? Because maybe there are shorter routes in the caribbean?
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