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Flight Dispatch Training

Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:40 pm

Hello everybody,

I want to do a Flight Dispatch course abroad but as it requires certain expenses I am considering only those countries where it may possible for me to find a job upon successful completion of the course. As I will be an international participant I am likely to have troubles with further job placement in many countries, that is why I'd like to ask you if you could advise any country or a specific place regarding this matter. If you could also say a few words about which schools are considered the best ones for obtaining this type of knowledge and certification it'd be highly appreciated as well. I know that the USA, for example, has to offer a lot in terms of Flight Dispatch and ATC training and it is quite cheap in comparison to other countries but I am not sure about job prospectives there in my certain situation.


Thank you in advance!
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:58 pm

Hi Longitude,

I went to Sheffield School of Aeronautics in sunny Fort Lauderdale Florida USA.

www.sheffield.com

I found them to be very thourough. Upon completion you will receive a FAA Dispatch Certificate. The school will assist you in obtaining a visa for school. Not many airlines in the USA will sponsor you for a work visa though.

The UAE also has strict licensing requirements and Emirates or Ethiad might be an option to look into.

You can also look at
www.IFALDA.com

They have a link to EUFALDA (I can't remember if it is a .com or .org ... try google)
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:56 pm

Hi ADXMatt,

Thanks for the reply! As you said, not many airlines would sponsor international applicants and that is what I am afraid of.
UAE is a very specific country, however. I would think many times before going there Smile
And there isn't a shortage in Flight Dispatchers in the United States, is there?
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:13 pm

The main purpose of the schools are to get you licensed. And generally, despite affection for one school or another, they are all the same.

Quoting Longitude (Reply 2):
And there isn't a shortage in Flight Dispatchers in the United States, is there?

There is large shortage as dispatchers from the small cargo/regional airlines move up to the large cargo/major arilines. Some companies are hurting more than others due to the overall size of their departments, cost of living, or quality of life in the area they work.
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:48 pm

Are there any programmes in Canada?
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:55 pm



Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 1):
Not many airlines in the USA will sponsor you for a work visa though.

Actually, no airlines will sponsor for a work visa.

And as for a dispatcher shortage, I wouldnt say so. A lot of licenses floating around; its just the airlines that need to grab a pair and pay dispatchers what they are worth; not the lousy 12 bucks an hour for working 10 inbounds into ORD per hour.
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:58 pm



Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 1):
Sheffield School of Aeronautics in sunny Fort Lauderdale Florida USA.

They have a six week course..after taking the course and successfully completing an FAA test, you become a certified dispatcher..just like that? From their website, they make the whole process sound seem so easy!

Hell, on TV they have commercials to be a massage therapist in as little as seven months, training to be a FAA certified dispatcher should take longer, shouldn't it? It's a much more important job IMO
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:09 pm



Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 4):



Are there any programmes in Canada?




I'd like to know that as well Smile
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:11 pm



Quoting Dispatchguy (Reply 5):
Actually, no airlines will sponsor for a work visa

Bad news.. Are you trying to say there are no chances? Do they not hire people from abroad at all?
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:16 pm



Quoting National757 (Reply 6):
Hell, on TV they have commercials to be a massage therapist in as little as seven months, training to be a FAA certified dispatcher should take longer, shouldn't it? It's a much more important job IMO

Well, first I had such thoughts as well. But actually despite it is a 6-week course they learn 60 hours a week approximately. At least they write so. And it is 150% of a normal weekly work load.
In Russia they will teach you during 5 years towards the same profession but it's unlikely you will know more Smile
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:22 pm

Just out of curiosity what to flight dispatchers make in the US? Good job? Fun?
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:23 pm



Quoting National757 (Reply 6):
They have a six week course..after taking the course and successfully completing an FAA test, you become a certified dispatcher..just like that? From their website, they make the whole process sound seem so easy!

It's just the certification, like having your learner's permit for driving.

Once you get out in the real world, you get real-world experience and real-world workloads. For example, Winter is coming up, and Winter is probably the most thorough (and headache-inducing) OJT that a dispatcher can get. I'm talking about mass amounts of icing, snow storms, deicing delays, getting information from airport (not airline) ops about runway/taxiway conditions, braking reports, icing reports, plowing, etc., and then dealing with the inbound aircraft to those cities that could end up in flow control, holding, or diversions, and keeping track of what airports are the best options to divert to should they become necessary.
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:50 am



Quoting Longitude (Reply 8):
Do they not hire people from abroad at all?

Nope - US carriers don't do sponsorships for visas, for there is no real reason to - if you work for a US FAR 121 carrier, you have a legal right to work here already.
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:02 am



Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 4):
Are there any programmes in Canada?

York University

Bow Valley College

AeroCourse (not currently offering classes)

IIRC, Transport Canada does not grant Flight Dispatch licenses - they are airline specific (ie. Air Canada issues your dispatch license, but if you move to WestJet, you have to obtain another dispatch license) - unlike the US where, I believe, the FAA issues the license and it's good at any airline.
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:45 am



Quoting National757 (Reply 6):
Hell, on TV they have commercials to be a massage therapist in as little as seven months, training to be a FAA certified dispatcher should take longer, shouldn't it? It's a much more important job IMO

It should but it doesn't. It took me a hell of a lot longer to get my A@P and years of experience but a brand new dispatcher out of a 6 week school could get a cockpit jumpseat at my former airline and I would get the finger from the pilots if I needed it to get home even though had a dispatch ticket in addition to my A@P. Really made my mind up about the pilot group.
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:43 am



Quoting Stratosphere (Reply 14):
It should but it doesn't.

The thing with dispatching is that, like maintenance, you can't learn it in the classroom. Getting the certification mainly lets an airline know that you could pass the testing (which isn't all that easy to those with zero experience.) All the real training comes after getting hired, and much like maintenance, the learning never ends; it's just in a different subject.

Am I saying that maintenance people aren't important? Hell no. Without them, the planes won't/can't fly safely. With dispatching, it's all about legalities and safety.

As far as mechanics jumpseating, I know that while several airlines put both dispatchers and maintenance workers in the same jumpseat priority, they will only let maintenance workers do it if they are on a duty assignment, which makes sense, since mechanics don't have to jumpseat to keep qualified for their position. But the mechanics DO get to jump on maintenance test and ferry flights. :P
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:09 pm

Hi Longitude,

In Europe at the moment you don't need to have a license to be a Dispatcher but it will most likely be required in the (near) future. The company I work for arranges work visas for non-EU nationals... apparently it is not very easy but certainly possible.

I did the Jeppesen dispatch course in Frankfurt. One of the students was an Egyptian working in Sudan...
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:32 pm



Quoting Dispatchguy (Reply 12):
Nope - US carriers don't do sponsorships for visas, for there is no real reason to - if you work for a US FAR 121 carrier, you have a legal right to work here already.

Hi, I actually meant the situation when you come form abroad (like me) to do your training at some school or academy. After that the problem is to find a place to start working. Your example illustrates the situation when a person is already working for US FAR 121 carrier (who is that please, by the way? Smile).
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:36 pm



Quoting MattRB (Reply 13):
IIRC, Transport Canada does not grant Flight Dispatch licenses - they are airline specific (ie. Air Canada issues your dispatch license, but if you move to WestJet, you have to obtain another dispatch license)

Do you really?? I was sure that Transport Canada provides ATC training as well as Flight Dispatch training but the problem there is that you have to be a permanent resident or a citizen of Canada in order to be allowed to sit the entrance tests for studying...I have never met any announcements on airlines websites about the Dispatcher course offered...Are you sure?
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:43 pm



Quoting Levent (Reply 16):
In Europe at the moment you don't need to have a license to be a Dispatcher but it will most likely be required in the (near) future. The company I work for arranges work visas for non-EU nationals... apparently it is not very easy but certainly possible.

I did the Jeppesen dispatch course in Frankfurt. One of the students was an Egyptian working in Sudan...

Hi Levent,

What you said is very interesting for me. How does your company employ foreigners? You said it wasn't necessary to get a licence yet, how does it happen then? I'd like to get some more information from you if possible, please! You can send a message or reply right here, that'd be highly appreciated!
Egypt and Sudan both are African countries so this situation must be easier anyway.
I am thinking of doing Jeppesen course as well but I didnt know they are offering it in Europe.. You obviously also have to speak German if you wish to work in Austria, I spoke German around 10 years ago, now I only remember basic things but still I can refresh it and improve..

I am looking forward to getting your reply!
Thanks!
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:50 pm

Correct, the Sheffield school will assist you in getting the visa for attending class, however, since you would be from overseas and would be a foreign citizen, my assumption is that it is assumed that you return home and exercise your license back home.

There is no connection between the school and the airlines. FAR 121 is the US regulation for commercial airlines.

You might want to email the school directly about within-the-US placement for a non-US-national, however, no US carrier will do the visa since there are sufficient numbers of US citizens with an aircraft dispatcher certificate.
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:00 pm



Quoting Dispatchguy (Reply 20):
Correct, the Sheffield school will assist you in getting the visa for attending class, however, since you would be from overseas and would be a foreign citizen, my assumption is that it is assumed that you return home and exercise your license back home.

 Wow!

Quote:
There is no connection between the school and the airlines. FAR 121 is the US regulation for commercial airlines..

Thanks for that! Will know.

Quote:
You might want to email the school directly about within-the-US placement for a non-US-national, however, no US carrier will do the visa since there are sufficient numbers of US citizens with an aircraft dispatcher certificate.

That is what I am worried about. And that is why I liked Levent's reply Smile
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:02 pm

However, if you see the certificate as a gateway to get a job here in the states with a US carrier, thats not going to happen, at least until you become a US citizen, or can get a work visa (and to be honest, that I know nothing about, being a US citizen - however, there isnt a need for a US carrier to import a non-US citizen who just happens to have a certificate.

There are non-US carriers (operating under FAR 129) who have a dispatch facility here in the states, primarily to flight follow their operations in this part of the world; that could be an option, but since its FAR 129 (Foreign Air Carriers), I haven't researched it at all.
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:41 pm

Dispatchguy,

Thanks a lot for the information! I appreciate that. I will search for information on foreign carriers but I think that there are not many chances to find anything suitable for my purposes...
If anyone knows anything regarding this topis, please don't hesitate to participate in the discussion.
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:44 pm

If you attend an accredited college degree program in the US you might - and I stress might - be eligible for the F-1 OPT program which allows one (1) year of degree-related employment in the US after graduation. That would require you to find a 2-year associates degree program, whose tuition you could afford, that has a placement program, and which places graduates into employers willing to take a person for 1 year. So you would need to research this in detail with the US State Dept and the college's admissions and placement offices. And also to be aware that the US is quite strict about sending people back to the country of origin at the end of the year (a few of my friends managed to convert to H1 status but they were in high-demand 4-year engineering fields).

That is a lot of ifs and conditions but I have seen it done by people who were determined (although not in aviation programs).

Please consult a lawyer licensed in the US who practices immigration law for complete details.

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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:12 pm

Sphealey,

Thanks a lot! I have heard of such programs but, as you said, there are certain requirements to studying and I doubt that the training of 2 months can lead to such a job placement provided that there is no extreme shortage. I thought of doing such a thing in New Zealand. There you can get a post-grad job permit for approximately 2 years, as I remember, but you also have to hold a degree which is given points under the General Skilled Migration Scheme and ATCs and FDs were not on the list though some aviation degrees were. I also agree with you that in spite of quite cheap education in the USA it is very strict and that is why I think I may search for some opportunities in Europe. Though I guess the situation is the same as with ATC training which I tried to find all around the globe. None of the countries provides any prospectives for international applicants. In general I know that the aviation shere has strict regulations in recruiting due to the security reasons.
Pity, I've got all the necessary qualities for trying to become an ATC, for example, I've got outstanding analytical abilities, excellent memory, I can do several things at the same time and very quickly, I possess good reaction and am able to make right decisions in stressful situations. I got very good results in Navigation Canada online extracts from the tests used to determine who is eligible for studying ATC. When I was in Australia I tried to search for information there but they said that despite the fact I sounded like a suitable candidate to try they were unable to do it as I wasnt an Australian resident Sad. I dont want to get this education here, in Russia, and work here as the salaries and conditions here are so bad in aviation that ATCs are forced to go on strike, if you only knew...
But I still hope to find some ways.
By the way, I've got some logical tasks for those who are interested Smile Will provide them later.
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:55 pm

Longitude,
If you are looking for a university-based aviation program in the US this response from the Director of the SIUC Aviation Program seemed straighforward and honest. He recommended the University Aviation Association's Collegiate Aviation Guide (available under their Publications link) for research into available programs.

sPh
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:36 pm

Funny about York University offering a flight dispatch course. I'm currently attending York :P. I'll be investigating for after my degree is done this year. Looked at Westjet, and it looks like they want a radio license as well. I'll have to nag Industry Canada about that.
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:50 pm



Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 27):
looks like they want a radio license as well. I'll have to nag Industry Canada about that.

The test is a breeze. You could probably do it via self-study and pass with no problems.
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:54 pm

is there an online version of the study guide?
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:08 am



Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 29):
is there an online version of the study guide?

Direct from Industry Canada (not in PDF that I can find, which is weird):
http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/smt-gst.nsf/en/sf01397e.html
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:56 am

Hello guys,

Here is a task for those interested in logical math  Smile :

There are two people A and B and two numbers x and y.
A is told the product of the two numbers and B is told the sum.
They each know what the other has been told.
They have the following conversation
A: I do not know the numbers
B: I knew you did not know them.
A: In that case, I now know them.
B:Then so do I.


What are the two numbers?
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:02 pm

By the way, who knows about FD and ATC system in UAE? Do I have to enquir from airlines or from a state body?
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:53 am

I don't believe nobody knows it...
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:01 am

I am sure there are people familiar with that sort of things on this forum. It is a very important matter for me.
If anybody knows anything else regarding international candidates job placement - you're welcome to post you comment.
 
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RE: Flight Dispatch Training

Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:17 am



Quoting MattRB (Reply 13):
IIRC, Transport Canada does not grant Flight Dispatch licenses - they are airline specific (ie. Air Canada issues your dispatch license, but if you move to WestJet, you have to obtain another dispatch license) - unlike the US where, I believe, the FAA issues the license and it's good at any airline.

Air Canada advised me that you still have to hold a licence to be employed there. They just provide company specific training but the fact you do have to be already certified before it.

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