02hilliert
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"Must Fly" Canadian Aviation

Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:34 pm

I'm planning a 2-week trip to Canada in July, although can't decide where abouts to visit. Anyone got any suggestions for any "Must Fly" airlines or types flying over there? Avoiding the likes of AC and WS mainly.

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RE: "Must Fly" Canadian Aviation

Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:53 pm

Nice, hope you have a great trip. Vancouver, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Calgary are all worth visiting. Victoria & Quebec City are especially pretty places. The Maritimes are great in the summer. I hear lots of nice things about Newfoundland but haven't been there yet. Banff is suppose to be incredible.. perhaps best to visit it outside the tourist season by what I hear. The north shore of the St Lawrence up tp Lac St-Jean in Quebec is also pretty spectacular. I'd just pick a region (one or two provinces (eg: Quebc/Ontario, BC/Alberta, Maritimes) and concentrate there. There are also flights from Germany (LTU) to the Yukon meaning it's probably easier for you to get there then me from here... might be an interesting choice too.

For flying internally AC (& Jazz) and WJ pretty much are it for any widespread connections. Jazz is pretty good still. Westjet though is a great airline.. friendly staff and nice new 737s. Air Canada from my experience tends to be stressful and flight crews somewhat cold or unfriendly... but that;s only my expreience and I generally don't fly them because of it but lots of peolpe will tell you other things I'm sure.

Coming here from the UK.. BA whsn't all that great last time I flew them and AC is what I said above but at least overseas they offer some sort of cabin service instead of walking around trying to sell you something like they do domestically. Thomas Cook, Air Transat etc are the alternatives...trying to squeeze in on one of their flights might not be much better,, the other alternative of course is to connect through a US city. Continental has always been a good carrier to fly from my experience.

Bottom line, if you are from the UK (I'm presuming because of the flag but I didn't double check) I'd go to BC/Alberta.. it's very different from the UK.. lots of friendly people... spectacular scenery.. Whistler & Banff are at your doorsteps, Calgary is booming and Vancouver now has some of the best restaurants in the country.. go ferit !

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RE: "Must Fly" Canadian Aviation

Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:58 pm

Hi, hope I can help you out a bit. You didn't say which parts of the country you are visiting, so please excuse me if my suggestions are 2000 miles away from where you are planning to be  Smile

Only ones I could think of that are somewhat interesting, but they are sure to be very expensive, espescially the First Air ones:

Air Canada 777-200LR Toronto-Vancouver
Air North 737-200 Vancouver - Whitehorse
Air North BAe 748 Whitehorse - Dawson City
First Air 727-200C - Not sure which routes. They also fly 737-200s out of YEG and YUL mostly.

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RE: "Must Fly" Canadian Aviation

Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:03 pm

Thanks guys, you both made good suggestions. I will be flying with BA ex-LHR to Canada, but still making my mind up over destinations. The Air North BAe 748 flight was something i'd noticed, as was the Buffalo Airways DC3 flight from Whitehorse to Hay River. Any longer distance flights i'd probably choose WestJet over Air Canada.

I'll have to do some research into First Air B727 flights, as i've not flown on one before.

Any more suggestions are most welcome, as well as for places to visit; thanks Caribb for your interesting reply.
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RE: "Must Fly" Canadian Aviation

Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:14 pm

If you plan on visiting the eastern "triangle" (Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto) Porter can be worth a try, upclass service on the Q400 and of course flying into Toronto Island/City Center (YTZ) is a great way to see the Toronto skyline... also factor in Taxi costs and it tends to be cheaper than flying from YYZ... and from Montreal almost guarenteed to be 50% load or less.

Other "interesting" options in Canada has gotten rare alas. Theres a few 748 ops left but not many. True Regional (aka bush regional) flying is mostly B1900, Dash 8 or smaller types like King Air and PC-12s now... and flying to some of these places isn't what id call "tourist" type activities unless you are into that eco-tourism thing. Flights may be 2x weekly and accomidation is sparse if any exists at all.

True Bush Flying is still out there, fly-in fishing operations still exist with Beaver, Otters, Caravans and small types... though costly.

Another option to look at might be flying from Vancouver to Victoria or Nanaimo via Harbour Air, DHC-3T or similar service on West Coast air and DHC-6.

For big jets... well Westjet or Air Canada. I don't find much difference in them honestly except the lack of PTVs on the ever shrinking part of the AC fleet. Air Transat, Zoom or Skyservice might be an option to or from Canada, but within Canada they are very limited in service.
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RE: "Must Fly" Canadian Aviation

Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:20 pm

When in July are you planning to be in Canada in July? If it is around July 4-13 then you should fly right into YYC and take in the Calgary Stampede! www.calgarystampede.com

Then since you are in YYC you can jump off to Banff and the Rocky Mountains and Vancouver just a little farther west.

Calgary tends to get a reputation as a very cold, business city. But during the Stampede the whole city is one giant party, something you wouldn't regret taking in if you like to get out and socialize!
 
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RE: "Must Fly" Canadian Aviation

Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:07 pm

For all I know, FirstAir currently operates 727s only on charter services! 737-200s seem to do all the work on FirstAir's jetroutes.
 
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RE: "Must Fly" Canadian Aviation

Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:07 pm

Greeting from Calgary, Alberta, CANADA!

If you are looking to ride on vintage equipment, flying NORTH from YYC is definitely recommended. A fun time to fly into Calgary, is during the Calgary Stampede... with a side trip to Banff, Jasper, the Columbia Icefields, and Kananaskis Country (all west of Calgary in the Rocky Mountains) is definitely recommended. Also, flying out of YVR to Vancouver Island can offer you some incredible flights! With Canada being so big, this is just the tip of the iceberg for suggestions for JUST the "west side" of the country... As has been mentioned, there are many fine cities to visit all across Canada... and incredible distinct scenery in every corner of the country, no matter where you go!

using YYC as a gateway, here are a few suggestions:

http://www.westjet.com

Obviously, you already know this airline, which is based in Calgary. WJ can take you to all the major destinations in Canada. Try for a flight on the 737-600...it's a lil' rocket!

http://www.airnorth.com

flights from Calgary to Whitehorse, Yukon Territory, using 737-200 (!!!) aircraft...


http://canadiannorth.com

flights from Calgary to the Yukon, Northwest, and Nunavut territories. I do believe they may still have a Fokker F28 in service. They also use F100 and Boeing 737-200 equipment.



A suggestion for some interesting flying in British Columbia:

-Harbour Air: http://www.harbour-air.com ...an all seaplane airline! They use a lot of vintage DeHavilland Canada equipment (Beaver and Turbo Otter, IIRC). A flight from Vancouver to Victoria definitely recommended!!

-West Coast Air: http://westcoastair.com ... also uses DHC, with the Twin Otter...damn fun to watch that "big" aircraft takeoff and land in the harbours!

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If $$$ is NOT a concern, a great (non-aviation) way to see the "Rockies" from YYC to YVR is:

http://www.rockymountaineer.com
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From the province of Manitoba (Winnipeg as a base) to Nunavut Territory:

_Calm Air: http://www.calmair.com ...a regional central Canada airline (maybe not close to your travel plans), using some vintage HS748's. .... could be some interesting flights to the real "Great White North", definitely have to check availability of the HS flights.


There are also many fine smaller airlines across the country, depending on your budget and destinations...

check for smaller regional airlines in Ontario: Bearskin, NAC air, First Air, Porter, Wasaya

and Quebec: Air Creebec, Nolinor (CV580!!!)

for some interesting flights and equipment....

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RE: "Must Fly" Canadian Aviation

Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:34 pm



Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 7):
using YYC as a gateway, here are a few suggestions:

http://www.westjet.com

Obviously, you already know this airline, which is based in Calgary. WJ can take you to all the major destinations in Canada. Try for a flight on the 737-600...it's a lil' rocket!

http://www.airnorth.com

flights from Calgary to Whitehorse, Yukon Territory, using 737-200 (!!!) aircraft...


http://canadiannorth.com

flights from Calgary to the Yukon, Northwest, and Nunavut territories. I do believe they may still have a Fokker F28 in service. They also use F100 and Boeing 737-200 equipment.

If you use YEG as your northern gateway, then you can also add First Air as an alternative. They fly 737-200 combi's up north, daily from YEG (along with Air North, Canadian North, etc. etc.) If you really want to have some fun, book a fly-in fishing trip to Plummer's Great Slave Lodge - you will fly up from Edmonton on a 737-200, and land on a gravel strip!!

If you're really interested in some serious bush flying, then I highly recommend a fly-in fishing trip. I've been on numerous of these trips, and I've experienced flying on quite a few bush planes from Beavers to Norsemans and just about every kind of Cessna with floats.

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RE: "Must Fly" Canadian Aviation

Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:44 pm

You can now fly direct from LHR to YYC, with BA. I just flew that route last week and I really liked it. If you want to fly throughout Canada, Westjet an Air Canada are pretty much it. You don't have much choice out there. Personally, I don't know why you'd avoid the two.

I assume you're here to see the country, not our airlines. Both Air Canada and Westjet offer service just like any other European Airlines. I've flown on a lot of European airlines, the last two being British Airways (ARN-LHR) and Aer Lingus (LHR-DUB), and honestly, I think it's very comparable to what we have to offer.

So, concentrate on seeing some of the places here and not so much on the airlines you fly. Besides, I bet you will like them. WS has live sat. tv on almost all their airplanes, and Air Canada's new interior design (if you're lucky to get it) is also cool. Try booking a flight operated by Jazz (the new CRJs). I love flying them.

If I were you, I'd fly into YYC with BA, rent a car from Calgary and drive from Calgary to Vancouver. It's an awesome 10 hour drive (which you can split in half) and you'll enjoy the scenery. It's spectacular.... Remember, petrol is very INEXPENSIVE here.

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RE: "Must Fly" Canadian Aviation

Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:19 pm



Quoting Vio (Reply 9):
Try booking a flight operated by Jazz (the new CRJs). I love flying them.

I'm flying the Jazz CRJ705 next Friday, YYZ-YWG-YUL. Does Jazz have good reliability, as in do they switch aircraft often or do the intended aircraft type usually fly?
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RE: "Must Fly" Canadian Aviation

Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:09 am



Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 4):
Another option to look at might be flying from Vancouver to Victoria or Nanaimo via Harbour Air, DHC-3T or similar service on West Coast air and DHC-6.

Yes, do this!! I live here and havent yet (!!) but well worth it and you can get one way fares of about $99 (about 50 GBP). As well as these two airlines, there is also Baxter Aviation, Seair Seaplanes, Tofino Air & Saltspring Air, all operating with DHC2 Beavers and some Cessna's. Fly to Victoria Harbour on one of these, and fly back on a Helijet Sikorsky S76 or with 8P from YYJ and you may get a Shorts 360. I think Victoria itself is pretty boring, but you can get whale watching trips and they are pretty awesome. They are even better from Tofino, and thats a great place for surf boarding too, but it is expensive to get there by floatplane. Orca Air do fly across in a Navajo from YVR. Talking of 8P, they have several Grumman Goose seaplanes which operate from Port Hardy on the north of Vancouver Island, which you can fly to with 8P from YVR - again you may get a 360, but probably a Saab 340 or Beech 1900.
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RE: "Must Fly" Canadian Aviation

Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:40 am



Quoting Supersonnig (Reply 6):
For all I know, FirstAir currently operates 727s only on charter services! 737-200s seem to do all the work on FirstAir's jetroutes.

First air runs the 722 every other day on the YUL - YFB route. Yfb might be a bit outside your range though. Once in YFB you can get on their regulary secheduled 748 service
 
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RE: "Must Fly" Canadian Aviation

Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:12 am

If you made it to Yellowknife (YZF), capital of the Northwest Territories, you could fly on the only remaining DC-3 in scheduled service in North America (and probably one of very few anywhere in the world). It's operated by YZF-based Buffalo Airways once a day between YZF and Hay River (YHY). about 120 miles to the south on the other side of Great Slave Lake (the 9th largest lake in the world, about 300 miles long and up to about 70 miles wide). The captain of those flights is often the president and founder of the company who lives in Hay River and uses the DC-3 to commute to/from work. Click the "Passenger Services" link in their website. They also have an interesting fleet comprising numerous old propeller types including DC-4s and C-46s.
http://www.buffaloairways.com/index.htm

July would be the best time of the year to visit Northern Canada and you'd have almost 24 hours of daylight. There are several flights daily from YEG and YYC to YZF on AC, First Air and Canadian North. AC also recently started a daily nonstop YVR-YZF.
 
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RE: "Must Fly" Canadian Aviation

Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:19 am



Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 7):
http://www.airnorth.com

flights from Calgary to Whitehorse, Yukon Territory, using 737-200 (!!!) aircraft...

The proper link is http://www.flyairnorth.com. Pretty cool airline based in Whitehorse, Yukon. Operating HS748s to Dawson, Old Crow, Inuvik and Fairbanks; and 737-200s to Vancouver, Calgary and Edmonton. Worked for them for several months, and had an awesome time there.

My suggestion list is pretty much what everyone else suggested...
-HS748 (Air North)
-B737-200 (Air North, Canadian North, First Air)
-Beaver/Otter/Twin Otter (you can find these lots of places)
-DC-3 (Buffalo Airways)


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