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Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:20 pm

Next month I will be flying to Amman, Jordan on LH from FRA. I know the flight arrives around 2:00am. Any reason why a lot of the European flights to the Middle East arrive in the middle of the night?

What should I except upon arriving (and departing)? Customs, Baggage Claim, Terminal, etc...

Thanks for any info!
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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:22 pm



Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
Any reason why a lot of the European flights to the Middle East arrive in the middle of the night?

Because that is the rush hour there!!!
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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:26 pm



Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
Any reason why a lot of the European flights to the Middle East arrive in the middle of the night?

Among other possible reasons, "increased aircraft utilization" could be another one: The roundtrip FRA - AMM - FRA is made during a time at which most airports in Europe are closed due to (nightly) curfews. Instead of paying to park the a/c somewhere, it is sent to AMM to make some revenue.
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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:12 am

Don't also forget the scorching heat during most of the year. You really don't want to disembark from a flight arriving in AMM on high noon in summer.

I arrived to DXB once during summer at 2am and I almost fell down the stairs from temperature and humidity shock.
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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:27 am



Quoting Acabgd (Reply 3):
Don't also forget the scorching heat during most of the year. You really don't want to disembark from a flight arriving in AMM on high noon in summer.

Not only that, but the high heat can restrict aircraft performance.

Mostly though, I figure it's a scheduling thing. Depart in the early evening from Europe; arrive late-night in Amman. Very few people would be connecting from Amman, so the late arrival isn't so much a factor. This is followed by an early morning return that allows for onward connections from Europe to USA, etc.

Good aircraft utilization and good westbound connection opportunities. No?


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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:29 am



Quoting HT (Reply 2):
Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
Any reason why a lot of the European flights to the Middle East arrive in the middle of the night?

Among other possible reasons, "increased aircraft utilization" could be another one: The roundtrip FRA - AMM - FRA is made during a time at which most airports in Europe are closed due to (nightly) curfews. Instead of paying to park the a/c somewhere, it is sent to AMM to make some revenue.

Those schedules also maximize connections in Europe. By departing Europe as late as possible and arriving as early in the morning as possible they can connnect to/from virtually all other longhaul and European points.

In some cases I believe carriers also do not want to overnight aircraft in the Middle East due to security and insurance issues.
 
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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:30 am

All the US-Europe bound flights arrive in the early morning to mid afternoon. Onward longhaul flights to the middle east and India leave in the evening, plus, you are going eastbound through time zones. Early morning IE 12AM-6AM is rush hour in the middle east and India for flights coming from Europe and the US.

Much of European heavy traffic is dependant on US inbound traffic. Sorry guys, but the US dominates the world airline schedule it seems.

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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:40 am

AMM is a small terminal with a huge duty free...nothing much more than that
 
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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:50 am



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 6):
Sorry guys, but the US dominates the world airline schedule it seems.

Sorry to disappoint you but the US-International air traffic counts 30-38bn RPK a month, whereas the Europe-International traffic counts 55-75bn RPK/month. Though the European traffic does not depend on US travellers.
 
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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:45 am



Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
Any reason why a lot of the European flights to the Middle East arrive in the middle of the night?

This does not apply to all flights from Europe to the Middle East. For example the BD LHR-AMM flights arrive in the evening except for the Friday departure:

Mon d. 12.35pm a. 7.45pm
Tue d. 1.00pm a. 8.10pm
Wed d.1.35pm a. 8.45pm
Thu d. 1.30pm a. 8.40pm
Fri d. 9.00pm a. 4.10am
Sat d. 1.20pm a. 8,20pm
Sun d. 12.30pm a. 7.40am
 
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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:02 am



Quoting Boeing777228 (Reply 7):

AMM is a small terminal with a huge duty free...nothing much more than that

Your point?
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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:21 am



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 10):
Quoting Boeing777228 (Reply 7):

AMM is a small terminal with a huge duty free...nothing much more than that

Your point?

It can be seen as an answer to the OPs following question :

Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
What should I except upon arriving (and departing)? Customs, Baggage Claim, Terminal, etc...

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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:14 am

How about Customs and Immigration? And Baggage Claim?

Thanks for the info!
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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:36 am



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 6):
Much of European heavy traffic is dependant on US inbound traffic. Sorry guys, but the US dominates the world airline schedule it seems.

Oh that is gold. Please tell us more. Enlighten us.
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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:44 am



Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
What should I except upon arriving (and departing)? Customs, Baggage Claim, Terminal, etc...

Directly after leaving the aircraft you will have to buy a visa. It would be wise to have some Jordan money.
 
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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:46 pm

If u fly through YUL and connect with RJ270, you will arrive AMM at 5.15 pm (but I guess that's no LH, no individual IFE)
 
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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:52 pm



Quoting HT (Reply 11):
It can be seen as an answer to the OPs following question

Thank you, I thought the issue was only the timing of flights.
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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:11 am

Sorry guys, having a rough night. I didn't mean my post to sound like we rule the aviation schedule world. But in order for the average joe to get from point A to point B to point C has really become an art and collaboration among the worlds airlines for timing. Going in an East bound direction, it's pretty easy to make quick connections to fly all the way around the world eastbound, and the US can be a gold mine for many airlines and I've just noticed that a lot of carriers dictate their schedules according to what inbound US traffic there is going to point C. Sorry, didn't mean to sound brazen.

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RE: Flying To Amman, Jordan From USA

Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:13 pm

Wait until June, fly DL from JFK, arrive 11A, depart back at 1300, all in the daylight and intense heat. See the Middle East "hot spots" on your way in & out.  Smile

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