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Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:00 pm

The thing that irritates me the most is that no frequent flyer miles can be collected flying domestic in Norway, government rules. There are a couple of trips where I get so close of reaching gold status, or retaining it, and all I needed were a couple of my domestic trips. In addition to that, a lot of Norwegians are not a part of a frequent flyer program due to the little international travel, they say, "what the heck, it's only one trip, those miles won't do any good." This as well as people not even knowing about them as they usually have no need for them.

So what irritates you the most?

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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:26 pm



Quoting CXfirst (Thread starter):
So what irritates you the most?

Well, to be honest: weird comments of passengers about everything about flying! They see some condensation at the wings:

"OH, they dump fuel AGAIN, they do that so often!"

"Why are there life vests but no parachutes on board?"

And a question I can hear pretty often:

"oh, you fly a cargo airplane, you dont have any F/As then, right? What do you eat then?"
I always look puzzled and ask myself: what does this have to do with F/As?! I dont want to EAT the F/As... I always say: you know, we get coupons of KFC and subway and then we carry those boxes on board and eat that! And if you are late and havent had enough time to get your own food: YOU WILL BE DEAD at the end of the flight...
And the best reply to that was: "KFC?! And what if you are vegetarian?"  faint  No comment of me for that one, just  rotfl 

And one other thing: after an airplane crashed, in 99% of the cases its always PILOTS error BEFORE there was ANY investigation done!!!!!!

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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:16 pm

Houdini Tugs - the ones which disappear just when you're on a tight slot, closed out and ready to go.

ATC who don't talk to each other. One sector gives you no speed restriction or maintain high speed, then they hand you over and straight away it's back to 250.  confused 

Asian radar services, or lack of them.  crossfingers 

Classic 737s doing M.76, same level, same heading, ahead, probably behind an Emb145 doing even less.

All those old slow Boeing narrowbodies doing M.79 over the atlantic  stirthepot 

Rival company jocks in identical a/c who claim to ATC they can go quicker, faster and higher.  liar 

The distance from Staff Carpark in to work  raincloud 

RT in different languages on one frequency  redflag 

The embargo on jump seat riders

The media's ability to hype up non-events and its inability to be factually correct  thumbsdown 

Companies who enforce ridiculous economy descent profiles which delay everything else in the air - Aviation's answer to Driving Miss Daisy.  zzz 

As a passenger:

"Green" taxes. Pah, what a load of crud.  dollarsign 

Roll-on bags the size of voyage trunks  eyepopping 

Kids who kick seat backs  Angry

Long haul babies  yell 

Families who check-in last, then once onboard expect people to swap seats so than can sit together crowded 

Companies who use the PA as a sales pitch to a captive audience....the airline credit card, the duty free, the donations for charity, the scratch cards.....ooops, have we time for the safety demo?  Big grin

Classic aircraft banned from our skies due to noise  worried 

International call centres who barely know the difference between Birmingham, Alabama or Birmingham, UK, or between Manchester, NH., or Manchester, UK.

Having to prove you've travelled on a flight when FF miles don't get credited, when the airline's data base must show you checked-in, you boarded and arrived at your destination.

Sitting next to Captain JetSet who tries to impress me with his aviation knowledge by giving me a running commentary of everything happening, even though he's probably a shoe salesman for Nike and wouldn't know the difference between a millibar and a sports bar.  ziplip 

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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:23 pm



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):

 rotfl  I had a good laugh about some of those! but on most I do agree!!!!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
RT in different languages on one frequency redflag

Thank god there is an ICAO english test now  thumbsup 

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
Rival company jocks in identical a/c who claim to ATC they can go quicker, faster and higher. liar

Mines bigger than yours....  banghead 

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
Roll-on bags the size of voyage trunks eyepopping

How do they get through check in and the gate actually INTO the aircraft with that?! HORRIBLE!!!

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
Sitting next to Captain JetSet who tries to impress me with his aviation knowledge by giving me a running commentary of everything happening, even though he's probably a shoe salesman for Nike and wouldn't know the difference between a millibar and a sports bar. ziplip

Oh, how I do love that! And then finally telling the dude next to you: I am an airline pilot, but keep on telling me how things work! THAT face is PRICELESS Big grin Big grin

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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:32 pm

Controllers who think they're pilots and know exactly what is taking place on the flight deck every second of a flight.
 bigmouth   irked 

Pilots who think they're controllers and know exactly what is taking place in the control room every second of their flight.
 bigmouth   irked 

The pilot who is knobing it rather than the yoking it to turn the airplane in the terminal airspace when the controllers needs a nice standard rate turn and ends up with about 1/2 a degree every 10 seconds because the bank angle limiter didn't get reset from high altitude. (see item 1 above  Smile  Smile)

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
ATC who don't talk to each other. One sector gives you no speed restriction or maintain high speed, then they hand you over and straight away it's back to 250.

Agreed however, the sequence one person may be handing to another sets good with the first controllers yet the second doesn't have quite the same level of comfort with the situation and reverts to what letter of agreements state.

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
The embargo on jump seat riders

 bigthumbsup 

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
Classic 737s doing M.76, same level, same heading, ahead, probably behind an Emb145 doing even less.

I'd turn that around with the Classic flat out hauling butt at .76 so the E145 doesn't leave them in the dust at altitude!  Smile

Those who can't fasten the seat belt yet wait until the cabin door is closed to ask the seat belt extender!  stretch 

The guy who is last to get on the full airplane, has his entire house in a foot locker with wheels and gets pissed at the flight attendant because there is no overhead space for that ginormous piece of luggage and it must be checked to his final destination.  butthead 
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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:54 pm



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
Long haul babies

 rotfl 

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
Roll-on bags the size of voyage trunks

didn't think about that one but you're absolutely right !

I'll add people getting out of their seats as soon as the plane hit the floor  banghead  , people who always "ring" at security, people reclining their seat without even looking behind them...

I'm also disappointed with the fact that there's more and more difficult to earn FF miles with low fares.
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Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:26 pm

Poor communication during delays. All companies are guilty of it. Tell the pax what's wrong. Keep it simple, but explain enough to eliminate the barrage of questions to the CSA's. If it has been an hour since the last announcement, and you have no new information, tell them that there is no new information. This action, even with a lack of information, says one thing clearly. It says the passengers have not been forgotten. By keeping them informed of the progress, or lack of progress, it will make them feel involved. No, you will not please everyone all the time, but the self important asswipes that demand immediate and personal attention from 'someone more important than you' will never be satisfied. If you satisfy the 98% of passengers that appreciate the no new information announcements, the remaining 2% will stand out as the dicks that they are.

A few years ago, on a 757 departure, I was called up after boarding was done and doors ready to close. It was the old Emergency Floor track lighting system that was messed up. During the turnaround grooming lifted up the cover and pulled wires to the lights in a section in the back. With pax staring at me and piecing the lights together, I reconnected it all and tried it. It worked but the cover that protected the wiring was messed up and no doubt would get ripped apart with the kick of a foot. I called stores and a new segment of track cover was on it's way. Standing there people were wondering what was going on. I announced, to the immediate area that i was waiting for the cover and that they would be on their way shortly. This then ended quite a number of puzzled faces as to why i was standing in the galley chatting casually with the F/A and the aircraft was not departing. Of course as i said about the 2%, one passenger started with "If it's okay, we would like to get going, we don't need that cover....." Here I was imagining choking this idiot. I explained that next week when they are returning from vacation how upset they would be if a problem developed that prevented them from coming back home that could easily have been avoided with an extra 10 min repair from the originating station. That shut her up.
 
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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:29 pm

One thing stands out, no doubt:

People who take huge and plenty of pieces of carry on luggage on board, stuff it all in the overhead bins, and then people who board later/last have to put their one bag under the seat and restrict their own legroom. Drives me nuts!!! There were times when airlines were much stricter with carry-on restrictions. I remember SQ putting every single piece of carry-on into that "cage" at boarding at CHC, and people with more than on e piece, or too large pieces had to check it in. GREAT!!! That is one of the reasons why I don't fly with FR and the like - when they charge for checked luggage it only means people carry more on board (naturally).....

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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:45 am

The TSA - Go away. Please.

Getting a double-dose of X-Ray at MKE just to get out of the terminal and into the shops and museum - At least it's fast getting back in to D

Legacies serving squat and LCCs serving the goods for free

One cookie on SkyWest, but two on Midwest and SkyWay? - Surely a CRJ can hold more cookies than 100+

Attitude from employees, be it CSA's, FA's, whoever

Every plane being a 747 or a Cessna

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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:00 am

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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:17 am

I hate roller bags for hand carriage
I hate the way the glamour of the heyday of aviation has made way for cheap fares and bums on seats. Bring back the airline issued standard hand carry bags, the dress code, and the genuine full customer service. get rid of the mundaneness of today's air travel and bring back the good old days without the trailer park trash and the peanuts and cola mentality.
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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:55 am



Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 10):
I hate the way the glamour of the heyday of aviation has made way for cheap fares and bums on seats. Bring back the airline issued standard hand carry bags, the dress code, and the genuine full customer service. get rid of the mundaneness of today's air travel and bring back the good old days without the trailer park trash and the peanuts and cola mentality.

Amen!  thumbsup  I agree! Everybody is flying nowadays and some people behave and treat the crews like s***!!!!
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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:31 pm



Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 10):
I hate roller bags for hand carriage
I hate the way the glamour of the heyday of aviation has made way for cheap fares and bums on seats. Bring back the airline issued standard hand carry bags, the dress code, and the genuine full customer service. get rid of the mundaneness of today's air travel and bring back the good old days without the trailer park trash and the peanuts and cola mentality.

Bravo!  Smile I'd like that too. The full service especially - but the dress code as well, it might encourage a higher standard of behaviour. When are we going to see the first cases of economy class rage? "Passenger goes crazy and assaults fellow passengers and flight attendants due to cramped conditions and bad service."
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:22 pm

Some Pax think that the Cabin crew are their personal servants & the Aircraft there junkyard.
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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:44 pm

Almost nothing about the aviation world, the business or the optational aspects really gets under my skin. However, it's the underlying assumptions made and the atitudes of the establishment that I have bones to pick. Particularly what I regard as a blatant refusal to support imagination at the cost of one's reputation.

I'm always asked, "what could you do for this company?" and I'd answer that, "I couldn't careless for the company, it's the customer and their customers that I pay attention to. This company would just be the lesser of many evils where I feel I can have the greatest impact on the market".

I don't always get the job, but I refuse to change my views just because I work for a different company. I don't generally hold alligence or loyalty, I don't see it as an issue, but I have noticed that I get slack from the world outside aviation much more.
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Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:08 pm

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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:32 am



Quoting SW733 (Reply 15):
Most people on a.net

Thank you for sharing !!
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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:10 am



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 3):
Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
Roll-on bags the size of voyage trunks eyepopping

How do they get through check in and the gate actually INTO the aircraft with that?! HORRIBLE!!!

I feel bad for check-in agents that have to handle the thing first
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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:05 am

Passengers assigned in aisle seats who are hellbent in making sure they are the very first to board only to chuck a hissy fit minutes later when they have to move to accommodate passengers in the middle or window seats.

Passengers who who automatically tell other people in their traveling party that "we must be flying on a jumbo jet" be it a 767 or a Dash 8.

Irresponsible parents that let their children run amok on the aircraft kicking the seats in front of them and squealing and not doing anything at all to control their behaviour.
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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:39 am



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
Roll-on bags the size of voyage trunks

Kids who kick seat backs

Long haul babies


I agree! Nothing more annoying than to have a person spend 10 minutes trying to fit their huge carry-on luggage in the overhead compartment (when it is obvious that it won't fit).

Things that also irritate me:

- The no liquids rule
- Expiring FF points
- People who lean back immediately after take off until landing (esp. on long haul)
- People who sit in your aisle/window seat without asking beforehand and then asking only when you arrive
- Drunk passengers who spill drinks on you

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Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:48 am



Quoting StarAlliance38 (Reply 17):
I feel bad for check-in agents that have to handle the thing first
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Yes, but they are the 1st to get in contact with the passenger... And at one point you need to start! Usually there is enought time to check in the suitcase and send it to the aircraft! Once at the security it can be too late to go back and check it in! And the staff at the gate has other things to do than taking care of oversized luggage...

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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:35 pm

The Britsh Airways reservation call centre. A complete nightmare to deal with.

It's as about as much help and as informative as phoning any completely random number. To be honest I wouldn't notice the difference, apart from the holding music.

Also, why is LGW security more intrusive than LHR security? I can't imagine there are many terrorist cells with easyjet, Monarch and Flybe on their lists of potential targets.
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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:23 pm



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
Some Pax think that the Cabin crew are their personal servants & the Aircraft there junkyard.

I say identify those on each flight and shoot them!  tombstone   yes   Big grin
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Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:56 am

That I only can afford to fly in Y.
 
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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:09 am

What bugs me is when on the news for various reports, they interview people who complain endlessly about air travel. "Gee, my plane was 25 minutes late. I can't fly this airline any more", or "Our luggage got on the next flight. Next time we'll definitely drive". These people should get a life!
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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:44 am

I don't like the way people complain about today's situation, constantly reminiscing about the past glamor days when pilots where respected, made more money, the service was better, you where allowed to smoke.. and the list goes on and on. GET OVER IT!

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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:34 pm



Quoting PlaneWasted (Reply 23):
That I only can afford to fly in Y.

Don't worry, you're not the only one  Smile
 
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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:27 pm

I hate it when the media reports things like missed approaches.


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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:22 pm

1) NIMBY's that have made any kind of expansion of airports - especially in California - impossible. They don't mind their children choking on the fumes from stalled traffic on the gridlocked freeways 365/24/7, but airplanes? Tools of the devil. They should be banned - until they want to go cross-country for $99. Then they're a vital tool of communication in this God-Bless-America greatest-nation ever!!

2) The FAA. Reminds me of a joke - "what's the only thing slower than an FAA bureaucrat? A DEAD FAA bureaucrat. We're STILL waiting for a vacuum tube less computer system AND a redesign of east coast airspace to handle these new-fangled jets.

3) Passengers who are rude to flight attendants because they feel that, as customers, they are morally superior beings, and their every whim needs to be catered to. Flying ExpressJet at Christmas, I could not believe how many gripes and complaints there were that the flight was delayed a few minutes because of a computer glitch on the plane...and what's worse, some passengers were actually yelling at the flight attendant!! Like any of the flight crew wanted a planeload of passengers - and themselves - stranded in Bakersfield, California, because they couldn't fly the plane and just gave up.

4) In-flight religious healing miracles. There are more of these than we think - just look at the number of people who need extra assistance getting settled when boarding the plane (usually holding up the departure), but when the plane lands and they spring up out of their seat like an Olympic gymnast and push me out of the way to get off the plane, I look up at God and say, "you couldn't have waited five more minutes before restoring her?"  Wink
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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:53 am

Sitting overhearing people saying: "I travel a lot actually"
 
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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:12 am

Here is another thing that comes to my mind: SECURITY at airports! I mean the TSA duds... There was another thread about this kid and the TSA... That p**** me off amazingly!!!!! Sure, security is necessary but in a reasonable manner and not idiotic...

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 29):
"I travel a lot actually"

Me too  duck 

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RE: Things That Irritate You In The Aviation World

Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:35 pm

Fellow pax who ask for info. or assistance and then when one gives them an answer they don't like -- act insulted and huffy. Recent example: Agent had called for A group line up on my WN flight. I was A-3 this time. Another guy and I are calmly standing by our assigned "pole" waiting to go. A well-dressed woman in her 60's walks up and asks us, "Is this the A group?. . . I can't tell where I am supposed to stand." We both politely chime in and say, yes, by numbered groups by the "pole", etc. - short and sweet answer, didn't go on about it, a few seconds. She looks at us with a scowl and says in a very condescending tone -- "I know that, I fly Southwest all the time." I just calmly, very quietly, with no expression, look her in the eye, and say, "Then why did you ask?" and turn away. She takes her place by her "pole" and doesn't say a word.

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