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Golden Age Of Aviation:Passed Or Still To Come?

Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:53 pm

Do you think the golden age was in the past with the old turbo-prop airliners and WW2 fighters? or think aircraft of the future (BWB, 787, A350 etc) will become the Golden Age of Aviation?

I think the future looks very exciting for aviation especially with the prospect of China, Embraer and Bombardier having the potential to be big players.
 
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RE: Golden Age Of Aviation:Passed Or Still To Come

Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:52 pm

I'd say it's already passed. Golden Age would have been the twilight of the big piston airliners and the debut of the jet airliners-up to about 1970 with the introduction of the 747.
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RE: Golden Age Of Aviation:Passed Or Still To Come

Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:38 pm



Quoting Virgin747LGW (Thread starter):
Do you think the golden age was in the past

And you're to young to have enjoyed it. Going on a plane trip in the late 50's and 60's was still a big event. Now it's nothing more than a form of mass transit.
 
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RE: Golden Age Of Aviation:Passed Or Still To Come

Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:38 pm

I think it's passed...the golden age (to me, anyway) would have been when airline travel was a real event, you dressed up to travel (men in suits and ties, ladies in dresses and heels), meals were served to eveyone on evey flight (with linen napkins, no less)....not this cattle-car mentality that has taken over, with passengeres not giving a damn about what they look like, treating flight crew and ground staff like personal slaves (or worse..morons)....beer in a plastic cup, no meal service.....

Nope, the golden age has definitely passed...and I've just realized you weren't asking about airline travel, but about aviation..still think it's passed....nothing really new and exciting on the horizon (I don't count the A380...Concorde was a different story). But for airliners specifically, they all tend to look a bit the same....some bigger, some fatter...but nothing really to getthe blood pumping...

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RE: Golden Age Of Aviation:Passed Or Still To Come

Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:12 pm

It has past. As far as Aviation now you have airplanes that practically fly them self's. The skill it takes to become a pilot is alot different today then it was back in the good old days. With aircraft like the 172 and Twin stars having full glass cockpits if you are going to do your training today, it is likely you could get PPL/CPL/Multi/Multi IFR without ever having to fly an aircraft with steam gauges. I would like to see an instrument rated pilot (learned on a Twin Star) to jump into something like a PA34 and try to see him tracking ADFs (fixed card of course) VORs let him try and do a DME arc followed by a nice step down NDB approach. To me that is flying. I hear that sometimes when the HSIs go down on NW's DC-9s they fly around with a nice standard VOR (ADFs have really disappeared from the states AFAIK).

If you could drop me in any place and time I would ask for the 1940s. Most of my favourite aircraft come from that Decade.

As far as airline travel. It has also past. The days when you can have fun has long since past. Back in the days a group of pilots would have a dog, (German Shepard) and they would take this dog everywhere they wanted to go. One pilot would take it to Paris (get a nice custom made suit) then the next he would be off to Tokyo. The days when pilots get long layovers away are now over, today alot of the time its more or less just min rest and away you go. It is getting increasingly difficult to non-rev. Pay has gone down. In the US alot of pilots have seen their pension vanish in thin air. The days were pilots were "special" are gone, today people just consider them another uniformed airline employee (for the most part). It has changed alot over the years, unfortunately not for the better. To think if only I was born in a decade past. Oh well do not get me wrong, flying is still amazing but a lot has changed from the days my step dad was getting nice big long lay overs making over $300,000 a year and had lots of time off. Pay went down, time off went down and lay overs got shorter. (Same thing happened to my mom - a FA but to a lesser degree)
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RE: Golden Age Of Aviation:Passed Or Still To Come

Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:27 pm



Quoting 57AZ (Reply 1):
I'd say it's already passed. Golden Age would have been the twilight of the big piston airliners and the debut of the jet airliners-up to about 1970 with the introduction of the 747.

Agree, it has passed . . .

I think it was a bit earlier than 57AZ however . . . when we had Flying Boats and introduction of the DC-7 . . . late 40s into the 50s.

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RE: Golden Age Of Aviation:Passed Or Still To Come

Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:50 pm

I have to agree with the majority. DEFINITELY passed.
 
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RE: Golden Age Of Aviation:Passed Or Still To Come

Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:23 pm

I believe that in 20 years we will look back at our time and consider it the Golden Age of Aviation. True, flying has become a form of mass transportation. The service levels, at least here in the US, have come down and the thrill of flying is mostly gone.

But let's face it - flying has become very affordable for most people in the industrialized world. Want to fly to Australia or Bali or South America - no problem, there are lots of flights and compared to 20-30 years ago it's much cheaper (and probably also faster). You don't have to be rich anymore to fly long distance. And if you are rich and willing to spend you rmoney you can still get pampered in first class or fly on a private jet.

Rising oil prices may take a terrible toll on the aviation industry and many things we take for granted today (ULH non-stops, MR, etc) may no longer be offered or become unaffordable for most but the very rich.

So for me as an airline passenger I enjoy this time while it lasts. Even in a crowded Y class cabin. After all, there may be a tropical beach and a cold drink waiting for me after my flight  Big grin
 
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RE: Golden Age Of Aviation:Passed Or Still To Come

Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:41 pm

I would consider the mid-1950s to mid-1960s as the Golden Age. That's when commercial aviation experienced massive changes. Almost overnight travel times were cut almost in half when jets replaced props, and lower fares permitted far more people to fly.

Nothing like that is likely to happen again as supersonic travel isn't likely to return anytime soon,if ever. In fact, most current aircraft are slower than the 707s and DC-8s of 50 years ago, and airport and ATC congestion and the security hassles that didn't exist then slow things down even more. Only the longest routes are now faster thanks to today's much longer range aircrft.
 
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RE: Golden Age Of Aviation:Passed Or Still To Come

Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:01 am

It's gone and we'll never see it again.

Supersonic travel might never return, and Mach 0.80 jet aircraft could very well be a concept living on borrowed time.

Maybe slow flying, huge air-ships could make a return. It would certainly be easy to make them more efficient than a jet plane. Flying at M 0.80 could be something that only the elite do.
 
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RE: Golden Age Of Aviation:Passed Or Still To Come

Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:13 am

It is gone. Most people don't even consider travelling by air a special event anymore. More like a routine for a job, or a pain in the butt. The Golden Age of Aviation was way back when everyone dressed up for their flights, so probably around 1960. I am way to young for that, unfortunately.
 
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RE: Golden Age Of Aviation:Passed Or Still To Come

Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:58 pm



Quoting LDIkaros (Reply 7):
I believe that in 20 years we will look back at our time and consider it the Golden Age of Aviation.

You mean you think it's going to get worse? Time to return to surface transportation.

Quoting Elite (Reply 10):
or a pain in the butt.

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RE: Golden Age Of Aviation:Passed Or Still To Come

Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:17 am

good answers guys but i was talking more about aircraft design, do you all believe the aircrafts of the 21st century wont be as exciting or beautiful as the ones in the mid 20th century?
 
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RE: Golden Age Of Aviation:Passed Or Still To Come

Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:04 am



Quoting Virgin747LGW (Reply 12):
good answers guys but i was talking more about aircraft design, do you all believe the aircrafts of the 21st century wont be as exciting or beautiful as the ones in the mid 20th century?

Aircraft as we know them are concepts living on borrowed time. The true advances will lie in suborbital flights where the defining line between aircraft and spacecraft will be crossed. So for aircraft design, I will say that the Golden Age is well past. We have pushed aircraft technology to its limit.
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RE: Golden Age Of Aviation:Passed Or Still To Come

Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:51 am

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 13):
Aircraft as we know them are concepts living on borrowed time. The true advances will lie in suborbital flights where the defining line between aircraft and spacecraft will be crossed. So for aircraft design, I will say that the Golden Age is well past. We have pushed aircraft technology to its limit.

Yes, tend to agree with that.
Advances in aerodynamics for current generation aircraft I do not think that there will be any huge advances, more in materials used, such as composite and fine tuning/tweaking, ie wing & body designs.
Suborbital would be and perhaps should be the next big step, as well as propulsion for that and fuel/energy used.

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