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Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Widebodie

Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:39 pm

What the biggest city/area/region/airport that only gets single aisle aircraft?
Or, what's the smallest city/area/region/airport past or present getting (that got) regularly scheduled "widebodies"

Pretty sure STL and PIT only get 757's today - no dual-aisle aircraft. What about CLE?
Those are 3 pretty big cities/regions.

I know that DL once scheduled L-1011's into DAY!
 
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:23 pm

Well populationwise SAT would certainly be one.
 
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:29 pm

I cant believe STL no longer sees a wide body?? Is this true???? After all those 767s and 747s at STL for years with TWA and the L1011s, now there are none???? Along with no transtlantic routes!! Poor STL
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:56 pm

In the 1970s/80s many fairly small U.S. cities had regular widebody service that haven't seen a widebody for many years. NW used DC-10s on some flights to GEG and BIL and AA operated DC-10s to cities like BUF.

Quite a few larger cities in the U.S. also had much more widebody service in those days than they do today. SAN is a good example.


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Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:17 pm

STL is not a fairly small US City. Is it true that there are no scheduled widebodies? Noe even a lone 767 service? I now know what people mean when they say AA totally tried to destroy the STL hub.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:31 pm

What about Monterrey, Mexico? I've seen no widebodies here, but this is a city with 8 million people - bigger than Toronto, Detroit, St Louis, it is about the same size as Chicago and New York and Los Angeles.

It is also a major industrial city, with both Mexican and US interests (and European if anyone cares)
 
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:43 pm



Quoting DC9RHI (Thread starter):
Or, what's the smallest city/area/region/airport past or present getting (that got) regularly scheduled "widebodies"

I think that Geneva is a pretty small city with a "widebody" airport...

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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:49 pm

Exeter is small and gets widebodies. City of Exeter - 80,000 people, 1 weekly A310 in summer, from TS, plus a sprinkling of charters and A300s from Onur.
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:03 am



Quoting Flyingfool (Reply 6):
Quoting DC9RHI (Thread starter):
Or, what's the smallest city/area/region/airport past or present getting (that got) regularly scheduled "widebodies"

I think that Geneva is a pretty small city with a "widebody" airport...

GVA must also be one of the world's smallest metropolitan areas served by close to 50 scheduled airlines with direct service to 94 airports (current winter schedule), plus several charter destinations served on a fairly regular basis. GVA population around 450,000 and about twice that in the overall region served by GVA airport in both Switzerland and neighbouring France.
 
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:09 am

CO flies there 767-400 into GVA from EWR
 
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:13 am

How about;
Milwaukee?
Kansas City?
Sacramento?
Jacksonville?
New Orleans?
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:14 am

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 5):
What about Monterrey, Mexico? I've seen no widebodies here, but this is a city with 8 million people - bigger than Toronto, Detroit, St Louis, it is about the same size as Chicago and New York and Los Angeles.

AeroMexico flies two weekly Monterrey-Madrid flights.

However, it is nowhere near the size of Chicago, New York City, and Los Angeles. It's metro of 3.7M puts it around the size of Phoenix and Seattle.

[Edited 2008-03-20 17:14:47]
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:16 am



Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 7):
Exeter is small and gets widebodies. City of Exeter - 80,000 people, 1 weekly A310 in summer, from TS, plus a sprinkling of charters and A300s from Onur.

Add edinburgh to that list - TS wont be sending their A310s this year, 757 instead. So EDI with a population of 500,000 and a 9m passengers a year airport, no longer has scheduled passenger widebody flights. A based Maersk 767 freighter tho..
 
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:29 am



Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 5):
What about Monterrey, Mexico? I've seen no widebodies here, but this is a city with 8 million people - bigger than Toronto, Detroit, St Louis, it is about the same size as Chicago and New York and Los Angeles.

It is also a major industrial city, with both Mexican and US interests (and European if anyone cares)

Monterrey's population is 3.46 million. But yeah, it's a major industrial city--the third largest in Mexico. I'm very surprised it's larger than Montreal.
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:35 am

Halifax YHZ population 375,000 has daily Air Canada 767 service to Toronto YYZ. Also 767 service to London LHR. Previously these routes were serviced with L-1011 equipment.

KLM flew 747-400s AMS-YHZ-YOW in the early '90s.

And CP Air (later Canadi>n) also had a Halifax-Amsterdam 747 service and later a DC-10.

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Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:45 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Jacksonville?

JAX actually does get one of Delta's domestic 767-300s from time to time, although not year-round anymore.

Didn't ABQ used to have 767 and L-1011 service on TWA to STL? The largest ABQ generally gets nowadays are Delta's 757s.
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:47 am

In Brazil we have two large areas without widebody passenger service:

- POA, Porto Alegre in the state of Rio Grande do Sul

- CWB, Curitiba in the state of Parana

Both are bigger than 1.4 million people (Metro Area is bigger than 4.0 million) and they only have narrow bodies to EZE as international service.

Up to Feb, CNF airport, in the Metro area of Belo Horizonte with around 5.2 million people was the bigger, but TP begin regular LIS-CNF service.
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:55 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
How about;
Milwaukee?
Kansas City?
Sacramento?
Jacksonville?
New Orleans?

MSY, MCI (~500K) are a bit smaller than IND, or MEM (~700K) which sees plenty of FedEx widebodies but - AFAIK - no pax fatties.

Other notables: ABQ, BNA, half the valley cities in California!


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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:06 am

Well, for "airports" I think you could add DCA as one of the largest airports with all narrow-body service.

What about Oakland? Any widebody service there?
I have to imagine Nashville is up there too, as I don't believe they receive any widebody service, minus the occasional equip sub from someone like DL.
I do believe IND and CMH are lacking in widebody service.
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:09 am



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 18):
What about Oakland? Any widebody service there?

No passenger wide body service however, Oasis Hong Kong is rumored to start service to Oakland with 747s.
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:19 am

Quoting 777 Fan
or MEM (~700K) which sees plenty of FedEx widebodies but - AFAIK - no pax fatties.

NWA has the A-330 to AMS.
 
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:26 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Sacramento?

SMF gets a daily Hawaiian 767-300.
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:27 am



Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 21):
SMF gets a daily Hawaiian 767-300.

Thanks for the update.
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:35 am

STL is a truely sad place now Sad

LGA doesnt get widebodys on a regular basis anymore. (They should to reduce congestion)
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:38 am

WLG hasn't had WB since the 80s/early 90s, but hopfully that will change once the B787/A350 is in service
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:40 am



Quoting GhYHZ (Reply 14):
Halifax YHZ population 375,000 has daily Air Canada 767 service to Toronto YYZ. Also 767 service to London LHR.

YWG is quite bigger than Halifax - population: 694,668, yet no widebodies. AC used to have 767 service there, but that didn't last.
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:48 am

MEM gets the NW A330 from AMS.



BNA has NO scheduled wide bodies flying pax flights. We do see them here fairly reguarly though doing charters or weather diversions for ATL. But we don't have a scheduled widebody pax flight. The largest current regular scheduled jet is AA's 738's from MIA and LAX.

Now cargo wise it's a whole other story as we have the daily CI 744 and FX MD-11 every night.
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:52 am

Portland, OR used to be a DL Pacific hub, lots of MD-11s. Any widebodies still flying in?
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:55 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
No passenger wide body service however, Oasis Hong Kong is rumored to start service to Oakland with 747s.

Thanks 'Fly.


I wouldn't be surprised to see CVG added to the list soon, if the few remaining international routes are changed from 767-300s to 757s.  frown  I don't think CVG has any domestic widebody service anymore.
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:14 am

Besides FedEx and DHL widebodies, MSY still sees CO 764's on the IAH run....certainly not daily and not even weekly, but they do pop up from time to time...perhaps a couple of times a month. Also, about twice a year we get a bunch of charters from England.

In its last schedule before Katrina, DL had around 4 daily 767's on the MSY-ATL run. With the retirement of the 762A, as well as the new fleet alignments, scheduled 767 service has sadly come to an end....but it sure was great while it lasted....I used to love taking those 762's and 763's on the short flight....even got a 764 once.

Historically, plenty of widebodies have served New Orleans on a scheduled basis. Besides the before mentioned DL 767s:

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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:14 am

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 25):
Quoting GhYHZ (Reply 14):
Halifax YHZ population 375,000 has daily Air Canada 767 service to Toronto YYZ. Also 767 service to London LHR.

YWG is quite bigger than Halifax - population: 694,668, yet no widebodies. AC used to have 767 service there, but that didn't last.

And going further back, AC operated L1011s and possibly the occasional 747 when they had seasonal YWG-LHR service for a few years. CP Air also operated YVR-YWG-AMS about once a week and not for long (a year or two) with a 747-200, and possibly the DC-10-30. I flew YVR-YWG-AMS once on a CP 747, probably in the late 1970s or early 1980s. The other days of the week it stopped at either YYC or YEG, with about one YVR-AMS nonstop a week then.

Pacific Western also operated their two 767-200s YVR-YYC-YWG for the brief period they had them before selling them to AC. I expect Wardair may have had some 747 and/or DC-10 charters from YWG.

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Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:24 am



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 27):
Portland, OR used to be a DL Pacific hub, lots of MD-11s. Any widebodies still flying in?

FX has daily MD-10/DC-10's along with a daily LH A340 and NW A330. Boeing also paints aircraft at PDX so there are T7's and others there often.
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:25 am



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 27):
Portland, OR used to be a DL Pacific hub, lots of MD-11s. Any widebodies still flying in?

On the passenger side:

LH has a daily A340 to FRA.

NW has a daily A330 to NRT, and will start AMS later this month.
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:40 am

BGR used to see regular stops by BA, AM, LOT, Pan Am and Aeroflot as a refueling stop...

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Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:43 am



Quoting Lexy (Reply 31):
FX has daily MD-10/DC-10's along with a daily LH A340 and NW A330. Boeing also paints aircraft at PDX so there are T7's and others there often.

I think Hawaiian still serves PDX, which means they would use 767-300s.
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:46 am

On the list of largest METRO AREAS in the US, the first one I see without any regularly scheduled pax widebodies is the Inland Empire of California...UPS has a big operation at ONT, but no widebody pax planes.
 
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:00 am

Well, if it wasn't for PIA (who operates a single 777 once a week in the summer season), I think OSL would be quite big an airport for just single aisle aircraft if one don't count the summer charter flight's in..

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Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:01 am

PDX only gets the LH A340, NW A332, and HA 763.  Sad Wish we had more! I would have loved to go see the MD11's here but that was before I was into aviation. Hahaha I had once laughed at my mother cause she had told me that she flew DL to Tokyo, and I was shocked to find out about their whole operation here!
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:05 am

Also it is not uncommon when the weather in IAH goes to pot, which seems to happen fairly regularly. CO diverts 777's to MSY. I have witnessed this quite often, one particular day we had 3 777's divert to MSY.

Another time we were lucky enough to get BA, LH, & AF Widebodies diverted to us. For a short time CO scheduled a 747 to IAH, but frequently swapped it out for an A300. I know this is ancient history now.

Unfortunately DL was our last hope for regularly scheduled Widebodies, but now that is gone.

When Football season begins then who knows what widebodies we will get. Another reason to love the NFL! However, I would prefer to have our scheduled service back.

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Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:35 am



Quoting DC9RHI (Thread starter):
Or, what's the smallest city/area/region/airport past or present getting (that got) regularly scheduled "widebodies"

I think that Cayo Coco, CCC, or maybe some other tourist destination in the Caribbean may get the title of smallest airport with widebody service. Currently, Cayo Coco (population: 12000) sees AT, SS, DE, VZ, and a few other airlines' widebodies. It's all tourism from Canada and Europe AFAIK.

There's also Cayo Largo, CYO, in Cuba as well. It is served by widebodies to MXP and YUL by AT, BV, and NO. It's only other service is to YYZ and HAV. As with CCC, CYO is mainly a tourist destination -- hence the low population.


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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:42 am

BDL doesn't see any more widebody service for pax after American cut the A300 last year. The Hartford-Springfield metro area accounts for about 1.6 million people in the direct vicinity (greater Hartford and Hampden county). There's cargo widebody service, of course (with MD-10s, A300s, and a310s from Fedex along with the ABX 767 and UPS A300).
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:47 am



Quoting DC9RHI (Thread starter):
Or, what's the smallest city/area/region/airport past or present getting (that got) regularly scheduled "widebodies"



Quoting YXD172 (Reply 39):
I think that Cayo Coco, CCC, or maybe some other tourist destination in the Caribbean may get the title of smallest airport with widebody service.

Hanga Roa, the capital city of Easter Island in the South Pacific is serviced 4 times weekly by a LA 767. Population: 3,300 (capital) / 3,800 (island).
Kralendijk, Bonaire's capital city, has a population of just over 3,000 people (14,000 for the entire island) and is connected to AMS by a KLM MD-11.
Stanley, the Falkland Islands' capital, has a population of less than 2,000 (3,000 for the entire island), but I don't know whether being serviced by a wide-body operated on behalf of the RAF counts (A310 I think ?), which wide-body also calls at Georgetown, population 500 and some, the capital of Ascension Island (1,100 inhabitants).
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:50 am



Quoting SW733 (Reply 35):
On the list of largest METRO AREAS in the US, the first one I see without any regularly scheduled pax widebodies is the Inland Empire of California...UPS has a big operation at ONT, but no widebody pax planes.

Add to that BUR, SNA, and LGB. In northern California if you discount HA's daily 767 then SMF and SJC are lacking as well.
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:55 am



Quoting DC9RHI (Thread starter):
Or, what's the smallest city/area/region/airport past or present getting (that got) regularly scheduled "widebodies"

Surely some of the holiday destination islands in the Caribbean or the Pacific would count here. Like Rarotonga, for example - population of the whole country (Cook Islands) being around 20,000 if I recall. RAR gets NZ's 763s one or two times a week to LAX and AKL, and also a couple of 772s a week to AKL.

If you looked at the combination of length of nonstop flight and population, then CHC is also interesting as it has nonstop service from NRT, KIX and SIN (and also ICN in summer, I think), plus EK's 345 from DXB via SYD, but has a population of only 370,000-odd. It used to have an NZ 744 nonstop to LAX three times a week as well, but that didn't last. Long flight, though - 6,878 miles.
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:15 am

Although there are still wide bodies here in PDX, there is a significantly less amount of them than there were about ten years ago. I remember seeing a large number of DC-10s and L1011s. Now there is just a few.
 
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:15 am

BHM- Metro area population of 1.1 million, but no widebody pax service that I'm aware of.
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:58 am



Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 38):
Another time we were lucky enough to get BA, LH, & AF Widebodies diverted to us.

...but if it's the same such incident as the last time that happened (i.e., both BA and LH crews overclocking, BA pax stuck here overnight, LH pax having to be trucked), then I'm not so sure they would've referred to it as "lucky"  Wink
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:02 am

Come on guys, think outside the American square!

Easter Island Airport (IPC) has around 3,000 residents and has several weekly SCL-IPC-PPT services run with an LA 763.

I'm no demographer, but I would think there are dozens of cities in China larger than any of the US areas mentioned that don't have wide body service. As an example, Chongqing (CKG) has a population of 12million and no widebody service...
 
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:45 am



Quoting Expressjet_erj (Reply 23):

LGA doesnt get widebodys on a regular basis anymore. (They should to reduce congestion)

I am almost certain that I see a DL 763 at LGA in the mornings when i fly out from there, most recently last month.
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RE: Biggest Cities/areas/airports W/no "Wideb

Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:00 am

I think this topic only makes sense in context of developed countries. I cannot give you any examples right now, but I am sure there are lots of cities that are lucky just to have an airport, let alone any wide-body service.

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