Slovacek747
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CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:02 pm

Does anyone know how CO is doing with their flight from IAH-LHR....loads, yields, cargo, etc...?

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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:04 pm

Porbably better then the LGW loads. For $200 million in slots they better be.
 
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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:15 pm

J loads busy, Y a bit up and down. I'm sure it'll pick up though as the summer progresses and the route develops. LGW consistently busy on the B764.
 
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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:17 pm



Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 2):
J loads busy, Y a bit up and down. I'm sure it'll pick up though as the summer progresses and the route develops. LGW consistently busy on the B764.

..and your source is...?

Not being pedantic, just curious where this info is from.

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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:19 pm

I am more interested in BA's LHR loads. We would love to see one the 2 flights upgraded to a 744, here.

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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:19 pm

Am I correct in that they are flying the 777 to LHR.....
 
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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:23 pm



Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 4):
Am I correct in that they are flying the 777 to LHR.....

EWR-LHR

1 767-200, 1 777-200ER

IAH-LHR

1 767-200, 1 777-200ER

EWR-LGW

2 (this Summer 3) 757-200

IAH-LGW

1 767-400

CLE-LGW

1 757-200
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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:27 pm



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 3):
..and your source is...?

Not being pedantic, just curious where this info is from.

Ta

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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:28 pm



Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 5):
We would love to see one the 2 flights upgraded to a 744, here.

Even if the loads are high (and I'm sure they are; and I'm sure yields are great), would BA really move a 744 from a route like Johannesburg, Los Angeles, or Miami to Houston? Probably not.
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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:33 pm



Quoting STT757 (Reply 6):
IAH-LGW
1 767-400

I can't believe the 764 can manage this. I guess CO also fly em EWR-HNL which is a long way, up to nine hours. I just think of it as medium haul!
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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:37 pm



Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 9):
I can't believe the 764 can manage this. I guess CO also fly em EWR-HNL which is a long way, up to nine hours. I just think of it as medium haul!

CO flies the 767-400 between IAH and AMS, as well as EWR-HNL. Both routes are longer than IAH-LGW.
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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:40 pm



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Even if the loads are high (and I'm sure they are; and I'm sure yields are great), would BA really move a 744 from a route like Johannesburg, Los Angeles, or Miami to Houston? Probably not.

Didn't BA fly the 744 to Houston for quite a while? Why is it such a far-fetched idea that they may bring it back?
 
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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:43 pm



Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 9):
I can't believe the 764 can manage this.

I flew flt15 from ewr to hnl a few years back in bf. I wouldn't have a problem doing it iah to lhr. I almost like the 764 better than the 777. Especially if you can get a middle seat in bf I sure think it's a prettier airplane.
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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:50 pm

IAH-LGW ain't that far... 4218nm.

CO I think is doing well by maintaining both LHR and LGW... especially from EWR. I am dubious of the value of it from IAH, but they may not have any reason not to.

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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:57 pm

I also think I'm a little surprised EWR-LHR isn't a 777 and a 764....

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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:58 pm

IAH-AMS is the longest 764 route in the system, at times will be weight restricted.

As far as IAH-LHR, the loads on 4/5 have been more than healthy up front. Most flights have been going out 48/48 or 50/50 depending on ship, so obviously that's very promising. The later flight, 32/33, has done equally well in the BF cabin. CO has got to be happy with the investment.

In my uneducated opinion, IAH-LHR has been a stronger performer than EWR-LHR thus far, but that is not very surprising. EWR-LHR does do well, regardless.
 
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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:10 pm



Quoting STT757 (Reply 6):
2 (this Summer 3)

We will only have 2 LGW flights from EWR. Both on the 752.
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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:12 pm



Quoting CMB320 (Reply 11):
Why is it such a far-fetched idea that they may bring it back?

A significant increase in trans-Atlantic service to Houston, including service to the Middle East that overflies Europe.
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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:34 pm



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
A significant increase in trans-Atlantic service to Houston, including service to the Middle East that overflies Europe.

Obvious good point  Smile Makes sense.
 
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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:39 pm



Quoting 777gk (Reply 14):
In my uneducated opinion, IAH-LHR has been a stronger performer than EWR-LHR thus far, but that is not very surprising. EWR-LHR does do well, regardless.

CO29 LHR-EWR is oversold tomorrow, and was all last weekend. It's doing very well, in both cabins.
 
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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:12 pm



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
A significant increase in trans-Atlantic service to Houston, including service to the Middle East that overflies Europe.

Jim on the IAH Spotters group sent this email regarding Feb 08 traffic results released by Houston Airport System (HAS).

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The HAS released the February traffic figures today. First thing I wanted to look at was how well Emirates was doing. EK went daily on February 1 so the monthly numbers should reflect how strong the flight is doing. Certainly we won't see load factors in the 90-100% range like the last two months, but it will be interesting to see how much lower they went.

On the DXB-IAH sector, EK averaged 214 pax for its 29 flights in February. That comes out to a healthly 80% load factor. On the IAH-DXB sector, EK averaged 176 pax which is a 66% load factor.

With the flight now daily, the next question is did it take away any passengers from the "Big Four?" Recalling from the last two months the answer was "no." The answer is also "no" for February. Three of the four airlines saw increases in passengers in February 2008 over February 2007. Air France had a 1.66% decrease which is only 217 passengers. Clearly that's not significant enough to say EK "stole" their passengers.

So my belief is that EK isn't taking away any passengers from the "Big Four." Looks like the Emirates flight is a success and if this continues they should be a staple at IAH for a long time to come.  Smile

Looking at the "Big Four", I wanted to compare how each airline did in February. It's not possible to calculate load factors for them since most have multiple flights and in the case of LH, they have different configurations on their A346s. I don't know which one they use for IAH.

BA averaged 72 pax for each of their three flights to IAH. The average from IAH was 74 pax. I wouldn't worry too much about those figures. BA carries a lot of cargo in the belly of the 777, and it more than makes up for the low pax numbers.

KL averaged 140 pax to IAH and averaged 139 from IAH. This also includes the six-times weekly PrivatAir flight.

AF averaged 155 pax to IAH and 145 from IAH.

LH averaged 238 pax to IAH and 243 from IAH.

February is usually the weakest month of the year, so the numbers will start to pick up next month. You can see why Lufthansa is switching to the 747-400 next week. Even in a slow month they averaged a high number of passengers. It's slightly dilluted since they only have one daily flight while the others have 12x or 13x weekly, and in the case of BA, 19x weekly.

Looking forward to next month's traffic figures. We should get our first look at Singapore Airlines' load factor. Not only will we see the pax numbers but also if they are carrying very much cargo on the route.

While this was for Feb, It is possible for BA to introduce the 744, especially for one of the flights during peak time, at IAH. EK has not "stolen" any pax away from BA, AF, LH, or KL at IAH. We'll see how this picture changes based on Mar 08 results. Now the one that could change this picture is when Arik Air starts services to IAH.
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RE: CO Loads On IAH-LHR

Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:27 pm



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 15):
I also think I'm a little surprised EWR-LHR isn't a 777 and a 764....

It swaps aircraft with IAH. So a plane goes EWR-LHR-IAH-LHR-EWR. That's why they have the 762 on the EWR-LHR route. It's also a daylight flight EWR-LHR, which has lower demand than the redeye.
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