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Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:07 am

Noticed in Clark Philippines last week, an MD80 painted up in Trans Global Airways colours ( sounds like something out of an Airplane movie). Believe this is the ex Asian Spirit airframe

The planned route for this aircraft was CRK-DAC-BAH

Seems rather a long way to go in an old MD80

Believe first flight was on 3rd/ 4th Jun
 
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:28 am

well, many airlines used the MD80 on ultra-long-rage flights...

The last adventure airline was Eritrean Airlines flyinf Asmara-(fuel stop)-Rome-Francfort with MD83 operated by MAP executive of Austria.

In the past, even Swedish carriers had flown to the Caribbean from Sweden (e.g. Transwede).

BTW: any pics available?

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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:58 am

I remember AY using their MD80 fleet on their routes from Helsinki to Cairo and Mombasa, the latter one did have a stop-over though, in Luxor if my memory serves me right.

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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:57 pm

I remember I flew HEL-CAI in 1989 with Finnair MD-87and on that flight there was a stopover in Athens.
 
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:14 pm

I was talking about this subject a couple of days ago with Cedarjet..... he seems to remember aflight BRS-GOI in the 80's by a charter airline called Paramount.....

Just to clarify...thats Bristol UK to Goa India..... a bloody long way....

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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:21 pm

I remember the Spanair flights in the 90's (before the arrival of the Airbus A320 / A321) from LPA and TFS to HEL, ARN and other points in Scandinavia.

Time flight was about 6 hours and flights were operated with M82 and M83 equipment.

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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:42 pm

Alaska operated MD-80's from Seattle to Magadan and Khabarovsk in Siberia, via Anchorage.

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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:49 pm

JetsGo(ne) used to push their MD-80's on trans-Canada routes like YYJ-YYZ. That's over 4 hours, so pretty long for an MD-80 I would think.

American also uses them on some pretty long ones, such as ORD-SEA.
 
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:01 pm

TW used their M83s on SJU-BOS, and SJU-STL. Also, AR operated their 80s on CCS-VVI-EZE.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:21 pm

American used to use MD83 on an LAX-IAD....almost 5 hrs

Thats one long flight in a Maddog....

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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:27 pm



Quoting Twal1011727 (Reply 9):
American used to use MD83 on an LAX-IAD....almost 5 hrs

Thats one long flight in a Maddog....

AA never had M83s until the TW purchase. And after that, they never flew LAX-IAD with an M83. So I don't know where you are getting that from?
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:31 pm

AA uses an MD-80 to fly ORD-ACA which is about 5.5 hours.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:42 pm



Quoting PremoBrimo (Reply 11):
AA uses an MD-80 to fly ORD-ACA which is about 5.5 hours.

That sure was a long flight! They still however operate ORD-PVR.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:44 pm

I remember AR used to fly it's M88s on EZE-VVI-CCS.

Now gone "non-stop" with A310s.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:55 pm

BWIA used to fly POS-UVF-JFK and POS-ANU-YYZ with the MD-83.
 
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:01 pm



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 13):
Now gone "non-stop" with A310s.

Yeah, I know that. I was stating they operated them in the past. And I see you are no longer from Argentina, but Portugal Gaston?
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:01 pm

Aerolineas Argentinas used to fly CCS-EZE in a MadDog, dont know how long is the flight, but I know it is long... I'm not sure if they stopped for fuel.
 
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Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:02 pm



Quoting AA767400 (Reply 15):
Yeah, I know that. I was stating they operated them in the past. And I see you are no longer from Argentina, but Portugal Gaston?

Sorry man, I didn't see your post. Big grin Kinda same thing happened with AA757MIA  Silly

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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:09 pm



Quoting AA767400 (Reply 10):
AA never had M83s until the TW purchase. And after that, they never flew LAX-IAD with an M83. So I don't know where you are getting that from?

AA did have MD83s.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:10 pm



Quoting AA767400 (Reply 10):
AA never had M83s

Yes they did fly between LAX-IAD w/MD80-83 back between 1989-1992 +/- 3yrs
maybe not continuosly but they did.


If you say they never had MD83s...which MD80 series had the aux tanks in them(not the MD87)
They flew them into MLB on occasion - reduced aft/mid belly size and I'm sure it was the MD83

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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:16 pm

AS used to fly LAX/ANC with the MD.
Definitely at the outer range of the aircraft if it had a full load of pax/bags.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:18 pm



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 13):
I remember AR used to fly it's M88s on EZE-VVI-CCS.

And I forgot, M83/88s were used in the EZE-LIM routes.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:43 pm



Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 7):
American also uses them on some pretty long ones, such as ORD-SEA.

AA use to fly IAD-LAX red eye with a MD-80 back in 1991 or so

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 10):
AA never had M83s until the TW purchase. And after that, they never flew LAX-IAD with an M83. So I don't know where you are getting that from?

AA had MD-83s back in the 1990s
 
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:04 pm

Avianca from BAQ to JFK is over 2000 miles and almost 5 hours flying time.
 
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:30 pm



Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 7):
American also uses them on some pretty long ones, such as ORD-SEA.



Quoting Twal1011727 (Reply 9):
American used to use MD83 on an LAX-IAD....almost 5 hrs

I fly SJC/SFO-ORD quite extensively.....4+ hours on the maddog, but not bad at all as long as the seats are good. They are quite quiet in the front.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:48 pm



Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 4):
I was talking about this subject a couple of days ago with Cedarjet..... he seems to remember aflight BRS-GOI in the 80's by a charter airline called Paramount.....

Don't recall if the flight originated in BRS. As it was Paramount's base, it may have started from there, but it certainly it operated from LGW. Stopped off in Rhodes and Sharjah for fuel on the way if I remember correctly.

After Paramount's demise IIRC Dan Air took it up with 737-400s.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:42 pm



Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 20):
AS used to fly LAX/ANC with the MD.
Definitely at the outer range of the aircraft if it had a full load of pax/bags.

Didn't AS have extra fuel tanks installed on some of the MD's for longer flights like ANC-LAX and ANC-Russia?
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:04 pm



Quoting AA767400 (Reply 10):
AA never had M83s until the TW purchase.

JP says AA got ten M83s in 1987 and a bunch more in 1991. The LAX-IAD nonstop was 1987-1990.

Forgot to check whether CO had M83s for their SAN-EWR nonstop, which was eastward only.
 
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:21 pm

JM operated JFK-UVF-JFK and with their MD- 83s......During winter there have been instances where flights have exceeded 6hrs....
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:28 pm



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 28):

Same with BW UVF-JFK and BW ANU-YYZ. I believe that these flights had severe weight restrictions on them!
 
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:32 pm

Quoting BA84 (Reply 6):
Alaska operated MD-80's from Seattle to Magadan and Khabarovsk in Siberia, via Anchorage.



Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 20):
AS used to fly LAX/ANC with the MD.

You both are correct on that. But dont forget the SEA-YYZ from the 80's (I think...) that eventually got dropped rather quickly, but it was still done.

Quoting Chugach (Reply 26):
Didn't AS have extra fuel tanks installed on some of the MD's for longer flights like ANC-LAX and ANC-Russia?

I recall that only 3-4 M83's had the extra tank, I dont really remember if this was true or not. I think EA CO AS can confirm that as I have never touched an M83 officially when I was at AS and was never trained on them either. EA CO AS...where are you?!

Edit add: Also, dont forget the PVR-SFO-SEA route where the unfortunate happened. Sad In memory of AS261.

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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:41 pm



Quoting AA767400 (Reply 8):
TW used their M83s on SJU-BOS, and SJU-STL.

They also did SLC-DEN-JFK...while i know its not THAT long, it sure felt like it in the very last row!  rotfl 

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 22):
AA had MD-83s back in the 1990s

Didnt AA get some from RenoAir as well?
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:43 pm



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 31):
Didnt AA get some from RenoAir as well?

I think those were 87's. But don't quote me on that.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:59 pm



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 31):
They also did SLC-DEN-JFK...while i know its not THAT long, it sure felt like it in the very last row!

I remember that! It was routed JFK-DEN-SLC.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 31):
Didnt AA get some from RenoAir as well?

They got M87/M90/M81s. But never knew they already had M83s prior to the TW purchase.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:16 pm



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 29):
Same with BW UVF-JFK and BW ANU-YYZ. I believe that these flights had severe weight restrictions on them!

I can imagine the restrictions from YYZ in the winter.....The MD was never my aircraft of preference...I took every necessary step to avoid flying on this aircraft....

There was a French Airline that flew one of the longest MD-83 flights...It was a flight from France to East Coast of Africa....Am not sure if it was Air Liibertie or AOM Airlines.....
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:24 pm



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 34):

I used to love the BWIA milk-runs on the MD-83 when I was younger, fond memories. Also, my shortest commercial flight ever was on a BWIA MD-83 operating POS-TAB; flying time was only 12 minutes!
 
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:08 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 30):
You both are correct on that. But dont forget the SEA-YYZ from the 80's (I think...) that eventually got dropped rather quickly, but it was still done.

Wasn't that LAX-YYZ against Air Canada who put a 747 on the route?

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 30):

I recall that only 3-4 M83's had the extra tank, I dont really remember if this was true or not. I think EA CO AS can confirm that as I have never touched an M83 officially when I was at AS and was never trained on them either. EA CO AS...where are you?!

If I remember correctly there were 4 "long range" MDs that had the extra tank. I think that one of them is still in service through the summer but I'd have to check on that.
 
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:57 am



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 30):
I recall that only 3-4 M83's had the extra tank,

At one point there were 8 MDs in the AS fleet with aux tanks.
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While they gave the aircraft more range, they made the aircraft a weight
and balance nightmare on full flights, as the tanks took up room in the mid and
aft cargo compartment, so more of the weight from bags ended up forward,
making the aircraft nose heavy, and hard to get in CG limits.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:54 am

Back in the early 1990's Aerolineas Argentinas replaced the Boeing 707 on its run to Panama with the MD88.

The route was Buenos Aires-Guayaquil-Bogota-Panama. I don't remember if the sector to Guayaquil was nonstop, probably not, so they landed perhaps in Lima?

Air Aruba also flew from Aruba to Sao Paulo with MD80.
 
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Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:02 am

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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:35 am



Quoting AA767400 (Reply 33):
I remember that! It was routed JFK-DEN-SLC.

Yep, it left SLC in the morning and got into JFK perfectly timed for the evening International push. On the return, it left 3-4 hours after the majority of the westbound TATL's arrived.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:44 am



Quoting ASMD11 (Reply 36):
Wasn't that LAX-YYZ against Air Canada who put a 747 on the route?

I thought it was the SEA-YYZ market. I remember seeing a route map that had that. I don't remember the LAX one.... Hmmm...

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 37):

That explains the huge bulkhead in the 2nd cargo pit. I didn't know that was the extra tank all this time. I originally thought it was a 2nd hand aircraft we acquired through the ILFC or something. Thanks for that, Hikes.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:52 am

Didn't Air Aruba fly the Mad Dog from New York to AUA before they went under? That would be a bit of a hike if true.
 
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:41 am



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 41):
I thought it was the SEA-YYZ market. I remember seeing a route map that had that. I don't remember the LAX one.... Hmmm...

Actually, AS never flew SEA-YYZ, we did fly LAX-YYZ though.
 
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:09 am

At Continental we flew San - Ewr (eastbound only) non stop for a short time with the -80

Longest I ever operated was Cle-Lax, at a little over 1800 miles against the wind that was about as far as we could go with no auxiliary tanks.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:09 pm



Quoting BA84 (Reply 6):
Alaska operated MD-80's from Seattle to Magadan and Khabarovsk in Siberia, via Anchorage.

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The nonstop service was Anchorage to Khabarovsk (KHV), Magadan (GDX), Vladivostok (VVO), Petropavlovsk/Kamtchatsky (PKC) and Yuzhno/Sakhalisnk (UUS) - the KHV, GDX and VVO flights were nonstops, but PKC and UUS were tags added on.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 30):
But dont forget the SEA-YYZ from the 80's (I think...)

As was previously mentioned, the service was from LAX, not SEA. IIRC, the LAX-YYZ flight began in either 1992 or 1993, and only lasted around 8 months. AC upgauged the route to a 744 and dumped capacity on AS to drive them from the market.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:38 pm

TW operated JFK-PHX in the last few years of the airlines' existence. That's a near trasncon, making it a worthy mention.

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 10):
AA never had M83s until the TW purchase. And after that, they never flew LAX-IAD with an M83. So I don't know where you are getting that from?

The last 20 or so Mad Dogs delivered new to AA in 1991-92 were MD-83s. This is when the LAX-IAD mission initiated. Prior to that, a small number of MD-83s were acquired second hand in the late '80s.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 31):
Didnt AA get some from RenoAir as well?

They did, but the leases were allowed to expire and the aircraft were not kept.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:55 pm

I recall a conversation with a PIC of an AC DC-9 that it could do YYZ-YVR 'no problem' if it was scheduled. Not sure about that, maybe YYZ-YYC. I know they did YYZ-YXE/YQR on a daily or double-daily basis. These were DC-9-32s, not MD-80s.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:35 pm



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 45):
AC upgauged the route to a 744 and dumped capacity on AS to drive them from the market.

Not only that, nobody in YYZ knew who the heck AS was as well.
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RE: Long Sectors For MD-80

Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:56 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 32):
I think those were 87's. But don't quote me on that.

AA got a variety of planes from Reno Air, and even AirCal. I believe the OC MD80s were sent elsewhere after the purchase, but the Reno Air ones lasted for a while. There was a mix of MD-82s, -83s, and -87s, along with the five MD-90s. All the QQ planes have since left the fleet.

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