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Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:51 pm

I was idly musing on how a jet would fly (positioning) from LGA to JFK - flight path and speed. Then I remembered my ultra short hops - MBJ to KIN (83 mi), AUA-CUR (74mi) on AA and NLM. This led me to wondering: what is the shortest scheduled commercial jet flight today?

p.s. - any info on LGA-JFK routing also appreciated!
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:57 pm

I have no idea on the shortest but AA and UA fly STT-SJU at 59nm
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:00 pm

Well starting this fall you can fly DFW-ACT on a ERJ! It's about 89 miles. Saabs do the job right now and I have seen them flying at 4000 feet the whole way there.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:14 pm

ExpressJet's shortest RJ flight used to be SAN-BFL (187 nm), but it is now SAN-SBA (167 nm). But not for much longer...
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:26 pm

DAY-CVG at 64 miles, or 55 nm, operated by DL Connection.
LEX-CVG is only slightly longer at 70 miles, or 61 nm.

Both routes are operated by regional jets.
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:30 pm

LCA-PFO / PFO-LCA , 67 Miles operated by A330 and A320
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:39 pm

MUC-NUE - LH CRJ200 - 86 miles but they still serve a hot drink!

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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:47 pm



Quoting Comorin (Thread starter):
what is the shortest scheduled commercial jet flight today?

Since you didn't mention passenger, it's Fedex (or is it UPS?), OAK-SFO, all of 10 miles.


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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:56 pm



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 7):
Quoting Comorin (Thread starter):
what is the shortest scheduled commercial jet flight today?

Since you didn't mention passenger, it's Fedex (or is it UPS?), OAK-SFO, all of 10 miles.


Jimbo

Wow! How fast/high do they fly? I presume the route includes getting into the approach pattern?

Also, any takers on LGA-JFK? I've heard UA has positioning flights ...
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:07 pm



Quoting Comorin (Reply 8):
any takers on LGA-JFK?

Here you go. http://flightaware.com/analysis/route.rvt?origin=klga&destination=kjfk

Click on the flight number and see the flight path.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:20 pm

AMS - BRU on KLM, and they do an inflight service on it!
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:28 pm



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 7):
Since you didn't mention passenger, it's Fedex (or is it UPS?), OAK-SFO, all of 10 miles.

My parents took that many, many years ago when that was still operated as a passenger route.

Other short routes:
ATL-MCN, at 79 miles, or 69 nm. Operated by DL Connection with RJs as well.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:34 pm

For mainline aircraft it's gotta be OKC-DFW on the AA MD-80 or OKC-DAL on WN 737. It's 175 and takes about 23-25min. I'm sure there are other RJ routes out there that are shorter.

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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:07 pm

I would think in the USA, DTW-FNT at 56 miles would be in the running. NW uses everything from RJ's to DC9's to 319's on the route (in addition to Saabs). Toledo is 49, but it appears to be all prop.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:10 pm



Quoting SoBe (Reply 9):
Here you go. http://flightaware.com/analysis/route.rvt?origin=klga&destination=kjfk

Click on the flight number and see the flight path.

Wow, that routes are just crazy.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:13 pm

Didn't XE fly IAH-EFD at one point? It's all of 25 nm.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:18 pm



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):
Didn't XE fly IAH-EFD at one point? It's all of 25 nm.

Actually, CO itself used to fly IAH-HOU with DC9's for a while, of course that was back in the stone age.  Smile
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:20 pm

The shortest two I've ever flown were LAX-SAN (109 mi) onboard a Trans World L101 c. 1992, and LIR-SJO (100 mi) onboard a LACSA B732 c. 1998.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:24 pm



Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 16):
Actually, CO itself used to fly IAH-HOU with DC9's for a while, of course that was back in the stone age.

 checkmark  and it's even shorter. But if I'm right about XE, it was flown with ERJs, so within the last 5-10 years-- so this isn't even a stone age flight.

IIRC somebody (EA?) flew FLL-MIA with Tristars back in the stone age. That's what I read on here, anyway.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:29 pm

BAH-DOH with GF/QR
BAH-DMM with GF

Both of these are very short flights - several of the former operated by A330-300s. Not sure of the mileage but very little.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:29 pm

OO has one daily CRJ on SBA-LAX, 88 mi.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:30 pm



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
IIRC somebody (EA?) flew FLL-MIA with Tristars back in the stone age. That's what I read on here, anyway.

Oh yeah, lots of those, especially pre-deregulation. I have a 1970 OAG that lists no less than 8 nonstops by National, all 727, between Newport News and Norfolk - 23 miles. Then again fuel was how much back then?
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:33 pm

UA (operated by SkyWest) flies DEN-COS: 73 miles.

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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:34 pm

CLT-GSP is 75 nm on a US RJ.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:34 pm



Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 21):
Then again fuel was how much back then?

Cheap... and those short hops may have been required to be awarded a more lucrative route (XXX-PHF-ORF).
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:47 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 22):
UA (operated by SkyWest) flies DEN-COS: 73 miles.

You'll also occasionally see anything up to a 757 on that route as well.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:06 pm

Can anyone give time estimates? How long would it take to operate a 55nm flight, etc...
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:10 pm

US AIrways (and formerly America West) along with Mesa Airlines flies TUS-PHX and PHX-TUS which is 110 miles.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:11 pm



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 12):
For mainline aircraft it's gotta be OKC-DFW on the AA MD-80 or OKC-DAL on WN 737



Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 13):
I would think in the USA, DTW-FNT at 56 miles would be in the running.

NW also operates RST-MSP at 71nm with daily CRJ's and DC-9's.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:12 pm

I doubt CO's TPA-SRQ was ever on a jet, but at approx 40 miles, its got to be up there.
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:15 pm



Quoting Ramzi (Reply 26):
Can anyone give time estimates? How long would it take to operate a 55nm flight, etc...

DEN-COS is in the 15 minute neighborhood from takeoff to touchdown.
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:18 pm



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
But if I'm right about XE, it was flown with ERJs, so within the last 5-10 years-- so this isn't even a stone age flight.

you are correct, CO used to fly IAH-EFD with ERJ's. I remember alot of people on this board talking about taking it because EFD was hassle free plus they would get the minimum 500 mile upgrade for that flight.

Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 13):
DTW-FNT at 56 miles would be in the running. NW uses everything from RJ's to DC9's to 319's on the route (in addition to Saabs).

I think that would be the winner in the shortest jet flight mileage wise.

another short route I can think of would be Midwest from MSN-MKE. What is that, maybe 70-80 miles? I think that is done on RJ's as well.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:22 pm

Not an airline, but I've seen a G-5 depart 4L at EWR and land on 1 at TEB. The pilots landed and said they barely had time to do their checklist... I think it's around 7 miles in virtually a straight line from take-off to touchdown
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:23 pm

Air Canada has a flight from YVR-YYJ on a E-190 (used to be an A319). That's 39 miles / 62 km. You can even book J class for $540 one-way  Silly
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:30 pm



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 25):


Quoting Mir (Reply 22):
UA (operated by SkyWest) flies DEN-COS: 73 miles.

You'll also occasionally see anything up to a 757 on that route as well.

UA has decided to not fly anything larger than a CRJ-700 on the route. UA might on a charter but that's rare.
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:35 pm

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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:35 pm



Quoting Multimark (Reply 33):
That's 39 miles / 62 km. You can even book J class for $540 one-way

Oh my jeez, that has to be some kind of joke.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:04 pm

Back in the ninties I flew several time GIB - TNG. Thats 43 miles on a 737. At that time it was served by Gibraltar Airways.

And I'm pretty sure that's the shortest INTERCONTINENTAL flight!  Smile
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:08 pm



Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 31):

Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 13):
DTW-FNT at 56 miles would be in the running. NW uses everything from RJ's to DC9's to 319's on the route (in addition to Saabs).

I think that would be the winner in the shortest jet flight mileage wise.

Well, it's 5 times longer than this one:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 7):
Since you didn't mention passenger, it's Fedex (or is it UPS?), OAK-SFO, all of 10 miles.

... and it's a scheduled commercial jet flight.

For passenger flights, you might want to check the other threads where this same question repeats every few months  Wink

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Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:14 pm

I've flown BON-CUR on a 9H (Dutch Antilles Express) Fokker 100 (sub for 2 ATR-42 flights, I was told it happens every now and then) which comes in at 41 miles.
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:19 pm



Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 19):
BAH-DOH with GF/QR
BAH-DMM with GF

Both of these are very short flights - several of the former operated by A330-300s. Not sure of the mileage but very little.

BAH-DOH is 91 miles
BAH-DMM is 54 miles

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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:22 pm

Forgot to mention nautical miles

BAH-DOH is 91 miles or 79 nm
BAH-DMM is 54 miles or 47 nm
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:08 pm

I'm kinda suprise no one has listed my personal fav. MQ ORD-MKE 67miles as the crow flies. Block time of 40min, normal flight time of 19-15 min, personal best of 13 min.

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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:13 pm



Quoting Multimark (Reply 33):
Air Canada has a flight from YVR-YYJ on a E-190 (used to be an A319). That's 39 miles / 62 km. You can even book J class for $540 one-way

This has to be the shortest in the world. It is normally Dash 8s, but there are a couple jets per day on it. Personally for jets I've flown it in a CRJ, A320 and E190. And 39 miles is 34nm.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:31 pm

Many years ago, in the late 1970's, I used to fly ferry flights from LGA to JFK on occasion. We (AA) had one every Friday evening on the 727. Most of the time we were vectored almost to Calverton to get into the arrival flow at JFK (at around 22:30 or so less traffic then than now, but still not inconsiderable). It took around 25-30 minutes off to on, depending upon the runways in use at both airports.

The shortest one, though, was the shortest flight I have ever had in a jet airplane; in fact, probably in any airplane. We departed 22 at LGA tower-to-tower to JFK, landing on 13L. We raised the gear, but left the flaps at 5 degrees (takeoff was with 15 degrees). Total off to on time was less than 4 minutes! Flew straight ahead off 22 to intercept the final of 13L, and as I recall got no higher than 1500 feet.

See www.flightsim.com for the story of this "Short Haul". Look in the feature articles section.

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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:32 pm



Quoting B747forever (Reply 36):
Oh my jeez, that has to be some kind of joke

Not at all, its fully bookable on aircanada.com

AC 232/288/289 or 293.
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:35 pm



Quoting SoBe (Reply 9):
Quoting Comorin (Reply 8):
any takers on LGA-JFK?

Here you go. http://flightaware.com/analysis/route.rvt?origin=klga&destination=kjfk

Thank you!  Smile
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:59 pm

So I've culled all the answers, plugged them into GC Mapper:

YVR-YYJ 34nm
ORD-MKE 58nm
BAH-DOH 79nm
BAH-DMM 47nm
BON-CUR 41nm
DTW-FNT 48nm
SFO-OAK 10nm
LGA-JFK 9nm
GIB-TNG 38nm
ATL-MCN 69nm
CVG-DAY 55nm
CVG-LEX 61nm
IAH-EFD 25 nm
DEN-COS 73nm
OKC-DAL 157nm
AMS-BRU 85nm

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Many thanks for your fascinating post and link! That 4-minute flight must be a record of some kind!
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:00 pm



Quoting Multimark (Reply 45):
Not at all, its fully bookable on aircanada.com

AC 232/288/289 or 293.

Haha! And its not just one flight... There seem to be 20 flights in each direction on weekdays!

What's funny is that the block time on the E90 jet is listed at 33 min, while on the turboprops is 23 minutes  Smile
 
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RE: Shortest City Pair By Jet?

Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:16 pm

Nobody mentioned MKE - MKG. And it crosses a time zone to boot.

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