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Best And Worst Airport Trains

Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:47 pm

Best in my opinion would have to be the Nankai Rapi:t from KIX to Osaka...





although I actually prefer the journey in the Narita Express (N'EX):



Worst: In my experience the old CityRail trains that run past Sydney Airport - I catch them every workday. But I'm sure there must be worse than that!
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:25 pm

In my opinion, both the best AND the worst can be found at one airport: DFW

The SkyLink train system has completely reinvented DFW. What used to be a terrifying ordeal to most Americans - making tight connections at this enormous airport - is now ridiculously easy. I'd rename the system "The NASCAR Experience", as these trains move VERY quickly. But no longer is a terminal change something to be feared - easy to use, smoothe ride (but hang on!!), and less than fifteen minutes from one corner of the airport to the other - it's a completely different experience!

The old TrAAm, however, had all the appeal of a dentist appointment - when it worked!!

In terms of exterior train service, both DCA and EWR have terrific rail connections available just outside the airport itself. Blue and Yellow line service are available right at the front door of National Airport, and the Air Train at EWR takes you to the rail station with connections available to both Amtrak and New Jersey Transit - both can take you directly into Penn Station.
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Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:26 am

I think the best is the maglev train that runs to/from PVG.



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Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:12 am

Of the airport trains I have used:

I was impressed with Sydney's. New trains, double deck, only downside was the premium cost - which also counted for Mascot station, in an industrial area on the line!

Heathrow Express is very good - if you're loaded and need to get to the area around Paddington. Otherwise the Picadilly Line is just as quick to elsewhere in London.

CDG - RER is good for T2, but not for T1. When I was there, you then needed a shuttle bus. Now I gather the CDG-VAL is in operation, but still I don't like transferring from train to terminal shuttle. Ditto BHX.

Luton Airport Parkway I'd count as one of the least convenient, as it is a random station with a bus link to the airport... Ditto LAX.

Belfast City and Nice have normal stations a significant walk away (500m +) - not too bad but difficult with luggage.

Singapore, Hong Kong both very good.

Middling (average) rail links. Munich has a normal S-Bahn (local) station, GVA, TLV and PSA a normal railway line.

So: Best: HKG
Worst: LTN

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Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:45 am



Quoting Tennis69 (Reply 2):
I think the best is the maglev train that runs to/from PVG.

I would almost agree with you, but the journey is too short! Amazingly fast and smooth though.



Quoting Signol (Reply 3):

Sydney's newest Millenium commuter trains are quite nice, but luggage storage is lacking. Likewise, we found the RER train to CDG awful for luggage and getting luggage through the metro system was a nightmare. I got trapped in the gates carrying a backpack!

I agree that the Heathrow Express and the train to HK's airport are nice. Malaysia's train to KUL is similarly comfortable.


Heathrow Express


Hong Kong Airport Express


KLIA Express

They, like the my earlier Japanese examples, are the types of trains you can relax in before or after a long flight. Comfortable seats, air conditioning etc. It's the nice thing about airports that are further away from the city centre.

I remember the train to Schipol being reasonable too.

Singapore's train to Changi is okay, but you usually need to change trains and the seats are just side mounted plastic buckets as it is a standard commuter service designed for standing.
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Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:35 pm

I can't really claim any being the best, however, currently, the worst would have to go to IAH's Inter-Terminal Train. The Inter-Terminal Train is very old, slow, and jerky. The vehicles are also very small.

The Inter-Terminal Train is a WEDway APM system based on the old PeopleMover in Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom. The newer TerminaLink APM, on the other hand is a Bombardier CX-100 system, which are also found at many other airports such as ATL, DEN, SFO, SEA, and TPA.
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Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:33 pm

DTW's tram is pretty good provided your connection is within terminal A, but it is totally useless for connections from B/C.
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:03 am



Quoting Allrite (Reply 4):
I would almost agree with you, but the journey is too short! Amazingly fast and smooth though.

Your correct it is too short a journey. But you have to admit that 30Km in less than 7 minutes is impressive.
 
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:00 am

One of the best I think is BHX; situated on part of the West coast mainline you have trains departing every few minutes to the city centre (takes 10-15 mins), and to many other UK cities. I'd actually say that it could be quicker to reach central London by flying into BHX and taking the train from International (1h 20 mins to Euston) than flying into Hell-Hole Heathrow or Gatwick.

Another easy one is HKG, but it's ludicrously expensive, so I prefer to take the bus a mile to the nearest metro station and ride in for a tenth of the price. I'm not overly keen on PVG's maglev - yes as a construction case study it's very impressive, but still, the terminus isn't exactly in the centre of the city. Once the extension is finished it will be much better. ZRH and GVA go without saying that they are fantastic, the Swiss really know how to run a railway!

Among the worst, I'll put forwards TBS; there is a modern and stunningly garish station, but zero signage from the new terminal, zero staff when you get there, and zero trains. Supposedly they run there from the monumental dump which is the main station, but I hung around for a while and didn't see a single one when it should have been there. Another is BCN, I know they've been constrained by the new BCN-MAD high speed line's construction, but come on, one small train every 15 minutes, they can do better than that! The station has two platforms, so I really don't know why they don't increase the service, it's always packed.


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Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:42 pm

Best that i've experienced would be Singapore's MRT. Very easy to get from Changi to the CBD and it costs less than S$2 for the 25-30 minute trip, just fantastic! The trains themselves are your normal subway type train but very quick, clean and frequent at all hours.

Worst would be the Airtrain in my very own home city of Brisbane. The train is a regualr Citytrain service from the Domestic Airport to the CBD and onto the Gold Coast that only operates every 1/2 hour during the whole day.

First service from Airport to City is 6:00AM, last is at 8:00PM. The trip to Central station is approx 24 minutes and costs AUD$12.15 if ticket is bought online or AUD$13.50 if bought at the station. To the Gold Coast it is AUD$23.67 online or AUD$26.30 at the station.

Absolutely ridiculous, no wonder nobody ever uses the stupid thing. I'd rather pay the AUD$12.00 for a bus transfer that operates from 5:40AM until 11:55PM every day.

The train in SYD is only better as the station is under the terminal and they operate very frequently and for longer during the day.
 
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:43 pm



Quoting BNEFlyer (Reply 9):
First service from Airport to City is 6:00AM, last is at 8:00PM. The trip to Central station is approx 24 minutes and costs AUD$12.15 if ticket is bought online or AUD$13.50 if bought at the station. To the Gold Coast it is AUD$23.67 online or AUD$26.30 at the station.

Speaking of cost, from my stop at Padstow to Sydney's International Terminal station is 17 minutes by express train. It costs $14.20 including the "gate pass". The train is frequently non-airconditioned, a standard commuter train. In contrast, to travel from KIX to the centre of Osaka, roughly 35 minutes on a dedicated, airconditioned, fast and very comfortable train (see Rapi:t photo in OP), is 1350 Yen, less than A$13.50. And they say Japan is expensive! (okay, 2 peaches for $9 is expensive, but they were nice peaches!  Smile) I've done both trips in a single day and I know which I prefer.
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Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:29 am

I rate the HKG Airport Express as the benchmark for other authorities to use:
-frequency: every 12 min
-ticket sales for arriving passengers: just after customs control or in the arrivals concourse (or use the Octopus card).
-group tickets available for a discount
-clean
-choice of three stations
-fast: no more than 24 min to HK Island
-infrastructure at the other end (waiting trolleys for luggage, hotel shuttles, taxis etc).
-in-town check-in

The only gripe: perhaps it closes too early: I've had to catch cabs on three occasions when arriving from SVO at 00.20 on Sat or Sun.

Most spectacular: Maglev to/from PVG.

Average trains I've used:
-Vienna
-Zurich

Needs improvement: Domodedovo Air Express. While the intentions are good, the trains are:
-infrequent (hourly during the afternoons),
-poorly signposted at the Paveletsky station
-rattly old carriages without air cond (can get stuffy during summer)
-platform without protection from the elements
-no dedicated luggage storage

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Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:10 pm



Quoting UltimateDelta (Reply 6):
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I'm not sure if the DTW transportation "device" qualifys as a train. There are no tracks.
Perhaps it does......heck, I dunno know..............
The ATL train to downtrain is much quieter then the Cleveland airport trains, Chicago CTA trains or NYC Subways.
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Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:01 pm

My vote for the best goes for the PVG train!
To city: 1 hour minimum in a taxi or 8 mins (do I remember correctly?) by the MagLev.

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Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
The newer TerminaLink APM, on the other hand is a Bombardier CX-100 system, which are also found at many other airports such as ATL, DEN, SFO, SEA, and TPA.

For the APM between the terminal and the new CONRAC (consolidated rental car facility) at ATL, they're going with the Mitsubishi Crystal Mover like those used at SIN and HKG. I wonder if in the future they will replace the CX-100s with Crystal Movers.
 
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Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:43 pm

Best: MUC - Nice, easy, tidy
Worst: SYD
 
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Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:45 am

I´d count Frankfurt-Internatinal (FRA) with reasonable pricing and just 11mins from airport to Hauptbahnhof (central station) or 15 mins to the central shopping area in Frankfurt !
Trains have simple interior but more importantly they are always on-time running at 20 mins intervals.
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Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:05 pm

Airport express train, Oslo - Norway:



 
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Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:56 am

I love airport trains. Great thread  Smile
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Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:38 pm



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 17):
Airport express train, Oslo - Norway:

I think I have to agree with you. Oslo Flytoget is both comfortable and fast, and it also looks efficient and modern. Other nice airport train services include ARN and ZRH.

MUC.. Well, S-bahn from MUC to the city takes too much time. Otherwise the trains are ok - clean, nicely decorated and modern.
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Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:35 pm



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 14):
For the APM between the terminal and the new CONRAC (consolidated rental car facility) at ATL, they're going with the Mitsubishi Crystal Mover like those used at SIN and HKG. I wonder if in the future they will replace the CX-100s with Crystal Movers.

Nope. The current CX-100s were delivered in 2002 (replacing the original C-100 vehicles delivered in the early 1980s), so they aren't that old. Also, the main control center will be upgraded to Bombardier's latest version, which means that the CX-100s will remain in service for years to come.
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Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:40 pm

Although not a train, the monorail at DUS is fun to ride Big grin
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:43 am



Quoting N776AU (Reply 18):

Worst: DFW

Wow, I always thought the SkyLink was one of the best ones. It is fast and efficient making connections a breeze. Now if you were talking about the TrAAin then I would understand....


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Mon Aug 04, 2008 4:15 am

Quoting N776AU (Reply 18):
Best: Without a doubt ATL

I'm not sure if I'd call it the "best", but it is certainly my favourite!
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Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:21 am

The HKG one - very fast and reliable, very frequent, and you get to see some nice views along the way  Smile Also, the trains are pretty nice.
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:18 pm

The only Airport Rail system's I have used in Brisbane's Airtrain and Sydney's Airport Link.

Out of these two I found SYD slightly better because you can actually use it when you fly unlike BNE which is only runs between 6am - 7:30 pm granted the rolling stock can be slightly better. On my last visit to SYD I got a Tangara set each way which I find have a quite noticable limited oxygen circulation. Milleniums on the other hand are great. Ive never had to use SYD's Airport Link during peak periods but I don't like the idea of Running trains Sydney CBD - Airport - East Hills. Airport services would be better off terminating at Wolli Creek with all East Hills suburban services running via Sydenham. These services in both BNE and SYD are very pricey too with a single ticket around AUD$13. In the case of BNE it's works out being similar in cost for a Adult single ticket to Nambour some 100 km north of Central Brisbane then traveling 20 km to the airport.

Not quite a rail link But I was very impressed with Melbourne's Skybus it runs 24 hours/7 days with frequent departures. It's possible for a family of say 2 adults, 2 children to travel between Tullamarine airport and Southern Cross Coach Terminal Return for $56 which is equivalent to about the taxi fare each way.




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Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:58 pm

I think CPH is the best.

I also like AMS, GVA, FCO, and MAN.
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Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:00 am



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
I can't really claim any being the best, however, currently, the worst would have to go to IAH's Inter-Terminal Train. The Inter-Terminal Train is very old, slow, and jerky. The vehicles are also very small.

Yes!!! I thought it was a joke when I rode it. The "trains" look like toys and make incredibly tight and sharp turns. I'm OK with up and down movement but get sick on side-to-side and I couldn't wait to get off.

Best-----I'm partial to London so Heathrow Express for me.
 
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Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:17 am



Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 27):
Heathrow Express for me.

Oh yes, I forgot about that one. Was on it just a week or 2 ago and it was much better than I had expected.
 
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Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:23 am

The Maglev for sure.

When I went to china with my school when we got to shanghai we took the maglev from the airport to the city which was like a hour from touchdown to being in my hotel(mind you It would of been much much much faster if it was not for my power hungry chaperone's who made us miss the maglev twice.) lol, but the experience was just amazing. We didn't really save time though, the bus beat us to the station. lol, once again due to my chaperone's.
 
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Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:36 pm

I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned ATL for airport-city connections. MARTA is great if you're headed downtown (though it's lousy if you're going anywhere else in Atlanta)... it's cheap, reliable, and quick. Can't ask for anything more.
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Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:18 pm

The best are ZRH, GVA and CPH. All very convenient, comfortable, fast and cheap.

I'd also put the Gatwick Express in there too, although I'd like it to stop in Clapham Junction and East Croydon off-peak to pick up more pax (me being one of them).

The worst is probably Heathrow Express. How on earth can they charge that amount for a 15min journey? It leaves a nasty taste in the mouth if the first thing to happen when you arrive is to get ripped off.
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Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:00 am

The light-rail line to MSP is a great and fast way to get to downtown Minneapolis and the Mall of America. The airport tram at MSP is also pretty good and I love the British voice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axfFcOFNu98

Underground tram to light-rail and Lindbergh Terminal.


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Tram from concourse A/B to Concourse D at the Lindbergh Terminal.
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Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:06 pm



Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 32):
Tram from concourse A/B to Concourse D at the Lindbergh Terminal.

Is that thing any faster than it used to be? I have nothing but bad memories from my days of flying NW a lot.
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Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:33 pm



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 33):

It goes pretty fast. The moving walkway is another option for flights at concourse C, but I would ride the tram if my flight was at concourse A or B.
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:28 am

i thought the trains at FRA were wonderful. two dedicated stations, one for s-bahn and what not, and at the other end were the platforms for ICE, went straight to Nürnberg on ICE without any connenctions and at a fair rate of knots.
 
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 30):
I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned ATL for airport-city connections. MARTA is great if you're headed downtown

Oh Cubbie......may I solicit your attention to reply #12?
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:00 pm



Quoting Babybus (Reply 31):
I'd also put the Gatwick Express in there too, although I'd like it to stop in Clapham Junction and East Croydon off-peak to pick up more pax (me being one of them).

Not sure why people use the Gatwick Express. Regular trains that make 2 or 3 stops and operate about every 15 or 20 minutes are much cheaper and only take 6 or 7 minutes longer. I spent the weekend in London two weeks ago and used BA GVA-LGW-GVA (although I prefer LX to LCY, I found a low BA fare to LGW -- usually lower than BA to LHR). I hadn't been through LGW for several years but it worked very smoothly. Both flights on time and short lines at the LGW security check on the return flight.

I had seen the comment about using regular trains from LGW rather than the Gatwick Express somewhere and I think it saved me about 7 pounds each way and the trains seemed quite new, clean and on-time, not always the case with British trains! And on the outbound trip I was able to purchase a combined ticket for just 2 pounds more that included a one-day TravelCard that permitted unlimited travel on the tube/buses in London for the rest of that day.
 
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:34 pm



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 36):
Oh Cubbie......may I solicit your attention to reply #12?

Oh, Safe... have we established that I am illiterate? Thanks for the correction.
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 38):
Oh, Safe... have we established that I am illiterate? Thanks for the correction.

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Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 39):
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Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:12 am

Okay, since DTW's thingy doesn't count, the ICE in Germany that stops at most major airports (FRA, MUC, STR) is really nice.
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Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:59 am

What about STL? I haven't been on it but I think you can take subway from STL airport to downtown St. Louis.
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Quoting September11 (Reply 42):
What about STL? I haven't been on it but I think you can take subway from STL airport to downtown St. Louis.

If you manage to avoid getting mugged, it's delightful. I only take it at times when there are likely to be a lot of airport employees (especially TSA screeners--one of the few things they're good for) on it.
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Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:58 pm



Quoting MHG (Reply 16):
I´d count Frankfurt-Internatinal (FRA) with reasonable pricing and just 11mins from airport to Hauptbahnhof (central station) or 15 mins to the central shopping area in Frankfurt !

Well... the connection is quick, that's true. Unfortunately, for some reason which is completely beyond me, the RMV always sends the old S-Bahn trains to the airport, except on the S9 runs which only go as far as Hauptbahnhof, and which don't continue on to Hauptwache (which is why they're of - almost - no use to me).

Quoting MHG (Reply 16):
Trains have simple interior but more importantly they are always on-time running at 20 mins intervals.

If you get the new trains, then they're actually comfortable. But the old ones, in plain English, suck.

As for "always on-time"... cough... no... not really.

Quoting Elite (Reply 28):
Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 27):
Heathrow Express for me.


Oh yes, I forgot about that one. Was on it just a week or 2 ago and it was much better than I had expected.

It sure beats the old rattling and ever delayed, stopped, not running, inexplicably stopped somewhere out on the tracks close to nowhere, constantly changing the final destination Picadilly Line.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 31):
The best are ZRH, GVA and CPH. All very convenient, comfortable, fast and cheap.

ZRH? Try taking one of the old S-Bahn trains, they're an experience. Not one which I like repeating, but nonetheless one which I'll probably be repeating again next week. The S16 trains that run from the airport through Hauptbahnhof to Herliberg (and I think something like Meilen or similar) are pretty awful.

The new (double-deck) trains, on the other hand, are pretty comfortable.

I also like the CAT in Vienna, though the new S-Bahn trains that they're using on the route to the airport are also quite nice. But one of my colleagues usually picks me up at the airport, so I barely ever take the train into town these days.
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RE: Best And Worst Airport Trains

Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:28 pm

How about the Heathrow Connect? Runs on-time, but not as frequently as the express. Does stop a few times but is only 6 pounds instead of 15 p.p.

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