speedbird0125
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Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:40 am

Hi, guys!
I will be on LAX-NRT on this September, and would like to know which one offers the best flight. I guess there are quite many companies on the route such as JL and SQ.

NH- How's their 77W like?
JL- Their 744s have AVOD? or just normal PTV?
SQ- Aren't SQ's 744s getting outdated? their old seat? or small screens?
KE- I'm a big fan of KE since I'm a Sky Team member, but it's too bad that they don't have personal screens on LAX-NRT route. Do they still operate without a personal screen on the route?
UA- I've flown UA's 744 before, and it was OK. (even though there was no PTVs)
NW- almost no info. How's their service like? Do they have good food and free drinks?

Thank you!

[Edited 2008-08-05 21:47:43]
 
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:48 am



Quoting Speedbird0125 (Thread starter):
UA- I've flown UA's 744 before, and it was OK. (even though there was no PTVs)

Keep in mind that UA has a 777 on this route now. Today's 777 featured the Star Alliance paint.
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:59 am



Quoting Speedbird0125 (Thread starter):
NW- almost no info. How's their service like? Do they have good food and free drinks?

Food is always an iffy concern on airlines (especially in Y). Flying international C on Northwest (World Business Class) these days seems to be quite comfortable; the trip reports I've read here on a.net seem quite positive. On Northwest's intercontinental Y, drinks and meals are free.
 
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:14 am



Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 1):
Keep in mind that UA has a 777 on this route now. Today's 777 featured the Star Alliance paint.

Is the 747 on the NRT route seasonal? or is the downgrade a permanent switch?
 
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:36 am



Quoting Speedbird0125 (Thread starter):
UA- I've flown UA's 744 before, and it was OK. (even though there was no PTVs)

If you are on UA and in C or F it is a good ride, depending on the F/A's. UA also has PTV's in all 777 as stated above.
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:40 am



Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 3):
Is the 747 on the NRT route seasonal? or is the downgrade a permanent switch?

Dont see it switching back to a 747 in the future schedule.
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:52 am

If the choice were mine, I would absolutely hands down fly JAL, even if the PTV's aren't AVOD.
I used to work for JAL, and though I was/am frustrated that I and my coworkers no longer work with them, their aircraft maintenance is just incredible. Absolutely second to none.
And that is in comparison to some VERY reputable Asian carriers.... including one from Hong Kong...

If it were my, or especially my family, I would put them on JAL.
 
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:20 am

LAX-NRT is a route I am no stranger to. Ive flown this route on UA, AA, JL, and SQ. I tend to fly AA on this route because I get the miles, get to sit in the exit rows, and get to fly J sometimes.

However if I had no loyalty to any airline, I would fly SQ or lacking that JL of the ones ive flown. They are all much nicer than AA or UA. Ive never flown NH, but have heard great things.
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:27 am



Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 1):
Keep in mind that UA has a 777 on this route now. Today's 777 featured the Star Alliance paint.

UA891/890 has been operating with a B777-200 for a while now. It looks like it will remain this way after the September 2nd schedule change.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 3):
Is the 747 on the NRT route seasonal? or is the downgrade a permanent switch?

The B747 was schedule to go back on this route after UA pulled the plug on LAXHKG but it seems like WHQAS has changed that idea and left it on the B777.
 
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:33 am



Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 5):
Dont see it switching back to a 747 in the future schedule.

Wasn't it suppossed to revert back to a 744 once HKG is discontinued?

My choices would be:

1) NH
2) SQ
3) JL
4) UA & AA
5) NW (apparently has better catering now that both UA & AA. UA's catering is a bit better than AA's in my opinion but not by much in all classes). If they flew their 332s on this run like they do from SFO & PDX, then I'd place them in my 4th choice.

Will SQ's LAX-NRT-SIN and return eventually be flown with A380 equipment once they have adequate frames to fly it (Is it true SQ will start service to SFO with the A380 before LAX?)
 
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:36 am

KE has old, not so old, new and brand new 772s and NRT-LAX sees all of them so it's a toss up on the day of your flight.

It's hard to say because everybody here has their own opinions and preferences. If you want free alcohol in Y, you better sign up with any one of the foreign carriers.

You really cannot go wrong in any of the premium class cabins for all the carriers, though the old UA C-class seats are probably the worst amongst the bunch but having recently flown on the new C-class seats, they aren't too bad but service takes the back seat amongst the foreign carriers.
 
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:43 am

Between LAX NRT : KE 2 operates with a 772. If you check the seat map, in YC, if the configuration is 3-3-3, then it's a plane with AVOD, power port. If's it's 2-5-2 then it's a plane with old seats and no AVOD.
I am sure you will find their foods and service, way above standards that we expect from NW and UA, AA ( remembers that AA charge you $5 an alcoholic drink and their foods are terrible !!! All served in disposable throw away flimsy plastic serving dishes !!! ). JL has real good service, but I am sure their prices are a tad higher than KE.
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:44 am



Quoting Carpethead (Reply 10):
If you want free alcohol in Y, you better sign up with any one of the foreign carriers.

Actually, NW has free alcohol in Y on transpacific and transatlantic flights.
 
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:47 am

Is Thai returning on this route? or will it be via KIX?
 
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:45 am

Any Non-US carriers will be better. Not only great service but good food too. Yeah the alcohol will be free. Everything goes with a smiles from those cabin crew...

Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 12):
Actually, NW has free alcohol in Y on transpacific and transatlantic flights.

Really? I was under the impression that they charges for alcohol on all transatlantic flights. Weren't they the first carrier to start charging in Y, or was it DL?

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 13):
Is Thai returning on this route? or will it be via KIX?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they will be deploying A340-600 on this route via KIX. Or was it B777-200ER?
 
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:54 pm



Quoting Speedbird0125 (Thread starter):
Hi, guys!
I will be on LAX-NRT on this September, and would like to know which one offers the best flight. I guess there are quite many companies on the route such as JL and SQ.

NH- How's their 77W like?
JL- Their 744s have AVOD? or just normal PTV?
SQ- Aren't SQ's 744s getting outdated? their old seat? or small screens?
KE- I'm a big fan of KE since I'm a Sky Team member, but it's too bad that they don't have personal screens on LAX-NRT route. Do they still operate without a personal screen on the route?
UA- I've flown UA's 744 before, and it was OK. (even though there was no PTVs)
NW- almost no info. How's their service like? Do they have good food and free drinks?

AA flies from LAX to NRT with a 777 daily.
 
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:23 pm



Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 13):
Is Thai returning on this route? or will it be via KIX?

As of right now we get to keep the nonstop. There is talk of the route going through KIX again. Dont know if or when that will happen.

If I heard right, initally the idea was to get rid of JFK and make LAX 1-stop, but then they just decided to get rid of JFK and keep LAX nonstop for the time being. However it wouldnt surprise me at all to see the route go one-stop. It would be via KIX.
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:53 pm



Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 14):
Really? I was under the impression that they charges for alcohol on all transatlantic flights. Weren't they the first carrier to start charging in Y, or was it DL?

NW - no charge for alcohol trans-atlantic either per my experience SEA-LHR and LHR-MSP (of course, they gave me extra G&Ts for carrying a corpse mid-flight because the cabin crew couldn't lift her...  Wink )

DL also had a silly system of one free alcoholic drink with the main meal on their long-haul flights - not sure if this is still the case - but as they don't fly LAX-NRT, this is off-topic I guess...
 
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:09 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 16):
As of right now we get to keep the nonstop. There is talk of the route going through KIX again. Dont know if or when that will happen.

Sorry - LAX-BKK is going 1 stop via KIX for the Winter season with the following sked:

TG796 BKK0730 - 1440KIX1550 - 0915LAX 777 x13
TG797 LAX1210 - 1800+1KIX1910+1 - 2340+1BKK 777 x13

[Edited 2008-08-06 10:14:28]
 
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:15 pm



Quoting Speedbird0125 (Thread starter):
NW- almost no info. How's their service like? Do they have good food and free drinks?

Food on NW in Y is pretty simple... nothing remarkable, but typically edible. Service is average as American carriers go, their World Business Class is almost competitively nice. Their seats in Y on the 744 are, in my opinion, unquestionably the worst seats on any major airline's long haul aircraft. No adjustable headrests, the seats are low, hard, very worn and out of date. No PTV either. There is free booze tpac.

Quoting Speedbird0125 (Thread starter):
UA- I've flown UA's 744 before, and it was OK. (even though there was no PTVs)

UA's 744s are okay... the Y seats are decent, especially in economy plus. Service on flights to/from NRT is usually pretty solid on UA, but there are exceptions. Alcohol is free. Business is out date, but is being updated, and first is pretty solid. The 777s are the same for bus/first, but have actually very comfortable Y seats, again economy plus being better than economy (hooray legroom), and have PTVs, which are nice.

Quoting Speedbird0125 (Thread starter):
NH- How's their 77W like?



Service is first rate. C and J are really modern and nice. Y is small, actually (as in, not many seats). Y+ is nice, standard Y has seats very clearly intended for the Japanese market, as getting a 1,95m and 90kg American into one is... interesting. They are somehow both short of legroom and oddly narrow. Entertainment is great, food is great, service is dignified. Not a bad way to cross the pacific, assuming you can get away from those Y seats.

Quoting Speedbird0125 (Thread starter):
SQ- Aren't SQ's 744s getting outdated? their old seat? or small screens?

They might not be as new and modern as NH's 773, but they are very comfortable, entertainment is still competitive (that's what SQ gets for always being ahead of the pack... even years later their product remains competitive) and the service is truly top notch... if a little scripted and stiff. Anyhow, there has to be a reason this is more or less the last north american route getting 744 and the other switched to 773ER first... anyhow, it's a matter of time before this goes A380. I look forward to picking between A380 and 773ER for my pacific crossings on SQ  Smile

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 15):
AA flies from LAX to NRT with a 777 daily.

Yes they do, I understand it makes them a solid profit (AA is the forgotten player at NRT... with surprisingly many flights there). The food is comparatively poor in Y, though the seat and entertainment are middle of the pack for this route (some might call the seat above average... seats are something AA does well enough in Y, at least). AA's J product is all together lackluster, though their first is, from what I've seen and heard, not at all unpleasant.
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:18 pm



Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 18):
Sorry - LAX-BKK is going 1 stop via KIX for the Winter season with the following sked:

When is it going to be put in the scheudle? Right now the nonstop is still showing in Apollo.
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:25 pm



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 20):

Sorry don't know that. The new sked is showing on the TG website and in Amadeus now. They just announced the new sked in the last day or 2.
 
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RE: Between LAX-NRT

Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:40 pm



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 19):
AA's J product is all together lackluster

That may have been true when AA had the old J seats but those seats are history. Their new J seat is super comfortable (memory foam?). Currently among US carriers AA has the best J seat. UA is in the process of rolling out a new J seat (better than AA) but they have just started updating so the odds of getting a new J seat is very slim. As far as NW, their World Business Class seat is uncomfortable. It may look "nice" but it's uncomfortable.
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