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Finding Published Fares To A Destination

Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:54 pm

Hi all, I was just wondering if it is possible to find a list of published fares for a specific route ? I mean, this would be easier for people to know what fare they could expect to find for a travel and it would also be useful to check which fare give FF miles or not... Any idea ?
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RE: Finding Published Fares To A Destination

Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:47 pm

Many airlines like to keep the information away from the travelling public on how many seats are available in one fare class and how much more expensive the next fare class will be. I think that's what being called yield-management - and that's a secret thing, which you (as an airline) do not want to show to your competitors.

One noteable exception is KL's website, where fare classes are shown in different colors incl. costs & conditions..

Another exception is LX, showing fare types (some types with more than one class) in columns, again incl. miles to be credited.

All airline websites I have used do state the number of miles to be credited for a trip; some per fare class upfront, some only after having selected a fare class.

Completely different, of course, should be the situation for prefessional travel agents with access to reservation systems. These do show availability of seats per booking (fare) class.
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RE: Finding Published Fares To A Destination

Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:22 pm

Hi Holger, I was almost sure you would reply to this thread  Smile Thanks a lot for your help.

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RE: Finding Published Fares To A Destination

Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:48 pm



Quoting HT (Reply 1):
These do show availability of seats per booking (fare) class.

True, but also only in a limited way: Amadeus, Galileo, Sabre, Worldspan & others will show up to a maximum of 9 available seats, which can mean anything from 9 seats upwards to the whole cabin class. On some airlines, you only get a maximum of 4 seats displayed - but that could still mean that more than 200 seats are available.

Looking at tomorrow morning's LH flights from FRA to MUC, for example, I get the following displayed in Amadeus:

SNLH18AUGFRAMUC
** LUFTHANSA - SN ** MUC MUNICH.DE 1 MO 18AUG 0000
1 LH 960 J9 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 /FRA 1 MUC 2 0630 0725 E0/AB6 0:55
H9 Q9 V9 W9 U9 S9 G9 KC LC TC EC
2 LH 962 J9 C9 D9 Z9 Y5 B5 M4 /FRA 1 MUC 2 0755 0850 E0/321 0:55
H2 Q1 VL W1 UC SL GC KC LC TC EC
3 LH 964 J9 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 /FRA 1 MUC 2 0855 0950 E0/321 0:55
H9 Q9 V9 W9 U6 S6 GC KC LC TC EC
4 LH 966 J9 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 /FRA 1 MUC 2 1015 1110 E0/AB6 0:55
H9 Q9 V9 W9 U9 S9 G9 KC LC TC EC


From a first glance, I'd say that LH962 is pretty well booked in economy - Y is down to 5 seats, whereas it's still at 9 for the other three; Busines is at 9 in all booking classes for all four flights, but don't expect to find an empty business class cabin on tomorrow's flights.

I've sat in flights that had an availability of 9 displayed in each and every booking class, and the flight was packed - and I've been on flights that were down to 0 in all but Y and C (as in the booking classes Y and C, so we're talking about full fares, no discounts), and the planes were more than half empty.

In the end, it comes down to yield management - as HT already mentioned. It's about how many people the airline expects to show up for a given flight, about what date and time the flight is operating, whether it's a flight used for connections or not, whether it's a flight with statistically high numbers of no-shows, ... and probably about a couple of dozen (if not hundred) more factors.

There was an article in Germany's leading travel industry magazine a couple of years back, when LH let them have a small look into their system. They looked at a flight that was due to depart some 8-10 months later (can't remember the exact timeframe), and at the time, the aircraft was overbooked by a factor of about 2.5 (so 300 seats with 750 bookings). When the plane actually stood at the gate those 8-10 months later, they had 3 or 4 empty seats.
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RE: Finding Published Fares To A Destination

Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:54 am



Quoting Leskova (Reply 3):
Busines is at 9 in all booking classes for all four flights, but don't expect to find an empty business class cabin on tomorrow's flights.

Would that be due to
a) late bookings in Business Class (seating)
or
b) adaptation of the divider seperating Business Class cabin from the Economy Class cabin (at least in those single-aisle Airbii ) according to actual pax on board ?

Quoting Leskova (Reply 3):
There was an article in Germany's leading travel industry magazine a couple of years back, when LH let them have a small look into their system. They looked at a flight that was due to depart some 8-10 months later (can't remember the exact timeframe), and at the time, the aircraft was overbooked by a factor of about 2.5 (so 300 seats with 750 bookings). When the plane actually stood at the gate those 8-10 months later, they had 3 or 4 empty seats.

Quite interesting info !
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RE: Finding Published Fares To A Destination

Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:31 am



Quoting Airtrainer (Thread starter):
Hi all, I was just wondering if it is possible to find a list of published fares for a specific route ? I mean, this would be easier for people to know what fare they could expect to find for a travel and it would also be useful to check which fare give FF miles or not... Any idea ?

Whenever I am at home checking for fares on certain routes I go to www.amadeus.net

It shows you fares which are updated regularly and you can connect directly to the airline site to book the fare. Not bad if you ask me.  Smile
 
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RE: Finding Published Fares To A Destination

Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:09 pm



Quoting HT (Reply 4):
Would that be due to
a) late bookings in Business Class (seating)
or
b) adaptation of the divider seperating Business Class cabin from the Economy Class cabin (at least in those single-aisle Airbii ) according to actual pax on board ?

I'd say based on a combination of expected no-shows and LH wanting to sell as many seats as possible...  Wink ... after all, with that divider, they can always enlarge C-class if they suddenly have a high load up front, and all they have to do is squeeze the people in back together a bit more.
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