modesto2
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DL Non-rev To CPT

Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:01 am

I'm trying to non-rev on Delta this week, ATL-DKR-CPT and CPT-DKR-JFK for the return. I've heard "interesting" stories regarding non-revs getting kicked off in DKR. Can anyone shed some light on their experiences with these flights and any tips? The four flights I'll be taking each have 80-120 seats open.

Additionally, can anyone offer some insight about airport taxes and vaccinations? I heard something about yellow fever for passengers who get kicked off and must stay in DKR.

What other airlines fly to DKR? I should probably get a ZED fare on someone...

Thanks.
 
andz
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RE: DL Non-rev To CPT

Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:04 am



Quoting Modesto2 (Thread starter):
insight about airport taxes and vaccinations

Hopefully things have changed since I flew to Zambia in the early 70s, there was a guy with a hypodermic and if you didn't have the certificate he gave you the shot there and then!
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vikinga346
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RE: DL Non-rev To CPT

Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:11 pm

Other than shaking you down and searching your seat in DKR, there shouldn't be any reason you would get kicked off... You don't even leave the plane, so I think it'd be difficult for them to escort you off for no particular reason??

God forbid you do get kicked off, the only way you can really get to CPT is with SA through JNB. I wuoldn't even fool around with any of the African carriers as their safety reputation are far inferior to the likes of US and European airlines (excl a select few, namely SA).

I'm sure you'll be fine - just make sure you get your vaccinations for South Africa and don't cause a scene when your seat gets searched in DKR and you'll be fine.
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aviateur
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RE: DL Non-rev To CPT

Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:10 pm

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 2):
God forbid you do get kicked off, the only way you can really get to CPT is with SA through JNB. I wuoldn't even fool around with any of the African carriers as their safety reputation are far inferior to the likes of US and European airlines (excl a select few, namely SA).



That isn't necessarily true. Don't get me started on this topic...I have written articles about it. Ethiopian Airlines has a very good reputation. Royal Air Maroc. Etc. There are a lot of myths surrounding the safety of African carriers.

In any case... The loads this week are light; I can't imagine you'd have any trouble on what is normally a very full route (DKR to JFK/ATL).

I am in DKR as I type this. On which day are you flying DL 129 back to JFK? Please let me know if it's Weds night/Thurs morning (25th).

The weather in CPT was gorgeous earlier this week. I hope it stays that way for you.

If, for some reason, you do get stuck in DKR, make the best of it and please ignore the many exaggerated reports of this place. There are many cool things to see in Senegal, so long as you're willing to get outside the city a bit. Visit the island town of Fadiout, for example, or the baobab forest, or one of the small villages near the so-called pink lake. Hiring a guide and driver is easy.

In fact, I prefer DKR to CPT. They're very different, obviously, but Senegal is much more interesting. You need to get out of Dakar itself, that's all.

Senegal might require a Yellow Fever certificate, but you needn't worry about any of that. I've been her many times and have never been ill.

Here are some pics from both DKR and CPT...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/globetrodden/sets/


- Patrick Smith

[Edited 2008-09-23 12:33:20]
Patrick Smith is an airline pilot, air travel columnist and author
 
andz
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RE: DL Non-rev To CPT

Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:08 am



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 3):
The weather in CPT was gorgeous earlier this week. I hope it stays that way for you.

Not at the moment! Pouring rain, howling wind, forecast maximum 15C today (Wednesday).
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PhilSquares
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RE: DL Non-rev To CPT

Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:58 am



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 3):
There are a lot of myths surrounding the safety of African carriers.

There might be a lot of myths, but in reality most are true. I have flown in and through Africa for the last 10+ years and it is one place in the world where I would be extremely reluctant to get on but a handful of carriers.
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aviateur
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RE: DL Non-rev To CPT

Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:11 am



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 5):
There might be a lot of myths, but in reality most are true. I have flown in and through Africa for the last 10+ years and it is one place in the world where I would be extremely reluctant to get on but a handful of carriers.

South African Airways
Ethiopian
Royal Air Maroc
Air Zimbabwe (no crashes since the 1970s)
TunisAir (no crashes, ever)
Air Afrique had an almost perfect safety record. Ditto for Ghana Airways.

Those are (or were) all safe and reliable carriers. Okay that's more or less a "handful," but still. Here are some articles of mine discussing African air safety...

http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2008/05/02/askthepilot275/

http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2007/03/30/askthepilot226/

http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2006/06/02/askthepilot188/
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PhilSquares
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RE: DL Non-rev To CPT

Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:00 am



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 6):
South African Airways
Ethiopian
Royal Air Maroc
Air Zimbabwe (no crashes since the 1970s)
TunisAir (no crashes, ever)
Air Afrique had an almost perfect safety record. Ditto for Ghana Airways.

Those are (or were) all safe and reliable carriers. Okay that's more or less a "handful," but still. Here are some articles of mine discussing African air safety...

As I wrote to you in your email to me, your list is but a mere pittance of the carriers in Africa, and one is no longer in existence! In addition, you need to separate international from domestic carriers. Personally, I would not classify SAA as an "African" carrier, but that is but a minor point. I stand by my statement and again can only pick one carrier I would fly on in your list.

Unless you have experience in that region, please don't feel as though you have to convice me I am incorrect. You are wasting your time.
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vikinga346
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RE: DL Non-rev To CPT

Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:01 pm



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 7):
I stand by my statement and again can only pick one carrier I would fly on in your list.

Yea i'm with Phil on this one. I realize that air travel is by far the safest way to travel - but when it comes down to the bottom of the barrel so to speak, many of the African carriers do not have a great safety record, and when its a matter of life and death, I'd choose an airline that I know is safe. I wouldn't pick any of the airlines on your list minus South African.

You can fly Air Zimbabwe every day of your life and be fine - but for those of us who are used to the high standards and security of Western airlines, we wouldn't take the risk, even if the airline has never had a major incident.
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