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United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:22 pm

So I wanted to see how many people in the forums would know about the loads to Honolulu this fall in first class. I'm currently flying RIC-IAD-ORD-HNL on 30 Oct 08 and HNL-LAX-ORD-RIC on 5 Nov 08 and I've used a CR1 (Confirmed Regional Upgrade) to bump myself up to First. This is my first vacation in years and it's a pretty sweet deal. I got the ticket for $500 and I'm staying at the Hale Koa, the military resort in Honolulu. So I want to be comfortable all the way there and back so I have a nice trip. However, when I upgraded all my flights were confirmed in First except the ORD-HNL and my return flight HNL-LAX. When I called United, they said all seats available for upgrade have been taken. But looking at the seats in First on the website, there are still seats available in First.

United informed me that those seats are revenue seats and aren't upgrade eligible until 72 hours prior to departure. Because I am a Premier member I have been put on a Priority Waitlist for the upgrade. However, what I was wonderin from the Airlines.net community, as well as those who work for United here on the forums, was what my chances were of actually making those First class seats to and from Honolulu. The ORD-HNL currently has 5 open seats and the HNL-LAX is pretty much wide open.

Any information will help. I know there are several passengers that don't show up or take an earlier flight on departure days, but the ORD-HNL flight is the only direct flight that day, so I'm wondering how many will actually not show up. So, all you United experts and employees out there, if you could help me out I'd REALLY appreciate it!

Brent M. Burklo
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:32 pm

Good luck with this. It is my experience that you will have a lot of trouble getting an upgrade for those sectors. With only 5 seats remaining, it is doubtful that they will be around or even eligible for an upgrade at that point. I have always had difficulty with it but maybe you will be more fortunate. Best wishes!
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:36 pm

20% on the way out and 95% on the way back would be my guess.
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:59 pm



Quoting USAFO1 (Thread starter):
Because I am a Premier member I have been put on a Priority Waitlist for the upgrade

Yes but you are behind Global Service, 1K and Premier Executive. If the flight is mostly full, you don't have much hope of an upgrade. Premiers get upgrades on routes that do not have many business travelers normally, but HNL on the 777s tends to be a high yield vacation destination. There likely will be lots of higher status people wanting upgrades that get higher priority. Also with only 36 first class seats and almost 350 economy seats, the chances of an upgrade are slim.
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:04 pm

I'm 1K and had problems getting bumped up to 1st to HNL. LAX is easier than ORD or SFO, that I will say. But, the fare basis can also result in you staying in Coach while another Premier who paid a higher fare gets bumped up.
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:36 pm

That's what I figured... I might look at the loads through LAX and see if I have a better chance through there.

Thanks for the help! Any employee advice would help out too!

Brent
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:33 pm

Too early to tell on ORD-HNL, but doesn't look good. HNL-LAX seems good. Depending on which flight you take out of HNL Flight 82 which is a 777 always has the best possibilities for upgrades.
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:34 pm

I can assure you if UA1 only has 5 open seats today, it will be sold out come October 30th.

Additionally while LAX and SFO flights are probably easier to upgrade due the number of available flights, if you are only a Premier flyer you are last in line for an upgrade with UGS, 1K and Premier Executives ahead of you.
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:08 pm

SeatGuru reports that "most flyers think it isn't worth the extra miles to fly first class to Hawaii." However, this comment has been up probably for several years, and those "most flyers" may actually be a small sample. Has anyone had an experience with it? The First Class domestic cabin must be a very different setup from international...is it more comfortable than 757-767 F domestic?

Also, do the flights feature anything special that's Hawaiian-themed because of the destination? Or, is it wishful thinking...

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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:16 pm



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 8):
The First Class domestic cabin must be a very different setup from international...is it more comfortable than 757-767 F domestic?

US-HNL is flown with domestic configured aircraft, UA has 6 777s and 14 763s in a two class configuration that do nothing but fly between the mainland and Hawaii and domestic intra hub/trunk routes.

Quoting Soxfan (Reply 8):
Also, do the flights feature anything special that's Hawaiian-themed because of the destination? Or, is it wishful thinking...

Mai-tais and "Hawaiian" themed Trader-Vic meals, I dont know if they still play half way to Hawaii or not.
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:42 pm

I just called United and they said there are 10 open seats... Don't know why the website is only showing 5... Even still from everyone's replies it looks like I will be flying E+.. Which is disappointing and a waste of a CR1 Sad
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:46 pm



Quoting Usafo1 (Reply 10):
Which is disappointing and a waste of a CR1

Well anything is possible but it is not looking likely, you may want to call up UA and see if they can re-route you on a flight that has upgrade eligible seats hat way your CR1 clears instantly and you don't have to wait for an upgrade....
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:48 pm

When I took my wife PDX-HNL-SFO last weekend on HA, I just paid for the upgrade myself and spared us the waitlisting for it.

If you ever take this trip again...FLY HAWAIIAN!

Have fun on the trip...and stop by Hickam, it's got some great facilities...better than most CONUS bases (mine included).
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:52 pm



Quoting Usafo1 (Reply 10):
I just called United and they said there are 10 open seats... Don't know why the website is only showing 5... Even still from everyone's replies it looks like I will be flying E+.. Which is disappointing and a waste of a CR1 

The CR1 won't move you into open seats regardless of what is and isn't available, I learned that the first time I used one (I thought that was what differentiated a CR-1 to an e500). However, when we got to the airport (RIC also, I'm in the area) my wife and I had been moved up to F. Don't resign yourself to E+, then again our flight was a domestic 757 and only 3/24 seats were assigned when we left for the airport.

Quoting United1 (Reply 9):
Mai-tais and "Hawaiian" themed Trader-Vic meals, I dont know if they still play half way to Hawaii or not.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=849478
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=868265
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:02 pm



Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 13):
Mai-tais

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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:20 pm

Well I called United back to see if I could re-route and they said it was actually better for me to stick with the the ORD-HNL flight because the loads were better. I'm not sure if that's true or just Indian outsourcing. I'm going to stick with it though because I'm going for fun with some fellow AF pilots. If I get the upgrade, GREAT! If not I'll just remember where I'm going and enjoy myself. Thanks for the help guys! If you have any other advice, please don't hesitate to pitch in!
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:36 am

Flew the flight one month ago in economy plus. Couldn't get an upgrade, but the extra room in that section of coach on the 777 isn't bad. The major problem is no meals for eight hours, so...load up on snacks and have fun. Aloha.
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:21 am

I've flown E+ on the 777 before and it's nice, just prefer the extra service and seats of First. We will see how things turn out I guess...
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:28 am



Quoting United1 (Reply 9):
I dont know if they still play half way to Hawaii or not.

As of May, they still did offer the Half Way game and I actually got 29 seconds off the halfway mark . . . and came in second! I thought it was game once I heard the correct half way time, but I guess not.
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:52 am

half way game? Pray tell...
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:32 am

Google is your friend

try "halfway to hawaii game" and you should get plenty of hits on this long time UA tradition.
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:33 am



Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 19):
half way game? Pray tell...

http://pelalusa.blogspot.com/2008/02/traveling-to-hawaii.html

second to last picture/caption explains it, the prize is a gift pack of some kind;

Someones idea on how to win....

http://benjaminsteers.com/halfwayhawaii.html

Its harder then it sounds.
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:33 pm

I had it down to the second last time I non-reved out there with my wife, but I got my time zones mixed up so I was an hour off! man was I pissed.


Just try to get an E+ seat and hope for the best. Like others have said, the no meal thing is kind of annoying, but I took half a bottle of Nyquil and it made the trip just seem to fly by  Wink
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:04 pm

Well I'm already confirmed in E+, so that's good. I'm hoping things will turn around for me on my HNL-LAX flight as the number of seats in F are still wide open. It still seems like a waste of a CR1 though because my IAD-ORD flight is upgraded and confirmed but if the HNL flight doesn't, then I just used a CR1 for a 2.5hr flight... But, like I said, I'm going to try to enjoy myself instead of worrying about an upgrade. I tried to see if I could change my route and they wanted to charge me the $150 change fee plus the diff. in fare, so I decided to just stick with what I got.

Any United employees who could keep me up to date, that would be GREAT. I just get tired of talking to employees who only know what the book tells them to say and who speak broken English..

Brent
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:52 pm

Part of it is just dumb luck too, as well as the given number of elite FF on any given flight.

I flew LAX-HNL-LAX back in late May/early June. On the LAX-HNL segment, F had checked in full before I even got to the gate. Yet on the red-eye 767 HNL-LAX, they thought Y would be oversold but F had tons of seats available, so they upgraded a bunch of pax to F, incuding me. There must not have been a lot of elite FFs, because I am "only" a Premier, as was the gentleman sitting next to me, who also got upgraded. And I was on a pretty cheap super-advance purchase fare for work, so that had nothing to do with it.

I haven't done F on the 2-class 777. but have often on the 2-class 767. It's not that great on the 67, although you do have more room to recline (which is nice if you're trying to sleep on a red-eye) and you'll get a hot meal as opposed to BOB in Y.

I will concur with others that the ORD-HNL leg will be the harder of the two. My guess is that they probably route a lot of FF tix, especially from the east cost, on that segment and leave the West Coast-HNL flights (more so LAX than SFO) for local O&D pax.

Good luck and enjoy! Hawai'i is my favorite vacation spot of all!
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:07 am

Yea, I'm really looking forward to going. The last time I went was in 2004 for my brother's wedding. The wedding was nice, but we were on the Big Island and it was pretty awful. Stayed at the Hilton Waikoloa, which was a nice hotel, but nothing to do around it. So this time I'm going to Oahu again. I've been several times, usually on Space A flights from CONUS to Kadena AB in Japan. A nice little stop!

Thanks for the replies!

Brent
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:06 pm

Hey guys,

I have another question. I was reading an article on the internet somewhere that was pretty interesting. It mentioned sponsored upgrades from higher elite members.

My question is, does the fact that my upgrade was a sponsored upgrade from a 1k member effect my eligiblity or probably of getting an upgrade? Also, I read about a PA and a PB upgrade waitlist. Where does Premier Associate fit in on the priority waitlist?

Brent
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:19 pm



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 8):
The First Class domestic cabin must be a very different setup from international...is it more comfortable than 757-767 F domestic?



Quoting United1 (Reply 9):
US-HNL is flown with domestic configured aircraft, UA has 6 777s and 14 763s in a two class configuration that do nothing but fly between the mainland and Hawaii and domestic intra hub/trunk routes.



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 8):
SeatGuru reports that "most flyers think it isn't worth the extra miles to fly first class to Hawaii."



Yes, just don't be disappointed by the seat and pitch on UA to HNL. Standard domestic 38' with no foot rest on the 67's and 77's. NW, CO and AA offer lots more room to HI. Had some friends who don't travel that much -- booked last year on UA without checking with us. They were so disappointed after our stories of huge pitch and lie flat seats on AA. They said the food and service was good though. And you got a great price!!! Good luck on your upgrades! Have fun.
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:47 pm

Here's a small part of the article I read and what I'm trying to get at...

"The PA list is the Priority A list, which is the first one cleared, followed by the PB, or Priority B list, which is the second one cleared. When a 1K uses his/her upgrade instruments they are put on the PA waitlist, including when they give their SWU’s/CR1’s to others, meaning even a general member with a 1K’s SWU goes on the PA list."

Let me know if this is true... also the author states that "The PA waitlist is sorted on a first-on first-off basis, meaning that the first person on the PA list will be the first person to get the upgrade. The PA list is totally cleared before the PB list is touched."

Any help here would be great, if this is the case, then I am in good shape!

Brent
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:30 pm

The PA and PB waitlisting discussion in the latter half of the post above is of course before 120hrs to departure when they release seats to e500s.
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:26 am

I don't mean any offense but United Premiers are the most naive group of frequent flyers. I know the ORD-HNL route is mainly leisure pax, but there are a lot of 1k's and Global Service members on that route. With 5 seats open you will not get the upgrade. Most premiers don't get upgraded on most domestic routes unfortunately. And before I get flamed about premiers being naive let me state my case. MOST premiers that I dealt with in my time with United acted like they had the same status as 1k's or global service members, when they are no where near close. They think they can use 500 mile upgrades or confirmed regionals on international flights to Europe. When in reality Premiers fly a little bit more than the average traveller. It's really not hard to accumulate 25,000 miles or 30 segments in a year. I've only been a paying traveller since Aug and have accumulated 15,000 miles on AA flying a few times a month. At this pace I will be AA gold by early spring, and I'm not a business traveller. Sorry for the rant. But good luck. I wouldn't get my hopes up on the ORD-HNL leg E+ should give you plenty of comfort. I would focus on the return trip.
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Wed Oct 01, 2008 4:57 pm

MTSUATC,

I appreciate the response, however I do not understand why you felt it necessary to make this statement about United Premiers. I understand your frustration that there are a lot of naive travelers out there, and maybe you think I am one of them, but the fact remains that your response has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the original post. I never claimed to be an expert on United's operations nor did I make a claim that my CR1 should have given me my confirmation just because I am a Premier. I never stated that I wanted to use e500s or CR1s on international travel either. I congradulate you on your exceptional ability to earn miles with AA and hope you make your aspirations of AA gold.

I do take offense to your post because you have already concluded that I am a naive traveler when in fact, all I wanted to know was how United Upgrades were confirmed before departure and what kind of chance I had at making the upgrade. So if you have any information regarding that subject, please be so kind to share.

Brent
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:30 pm

Ok here's an update to my current flight...

I changed the ORD-HNL trip to RIC-IAD-SFO-HNL. The SFO - HNL trip has just over more than half of the F cabin filled with about 20 open seats, so hopefully I can get a seat on this flight. The return is still wide open and very optimistic about that flight. What do you all think?

Brent
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:42 pm



Quoting USAFO1 (Reply 32):
Ok here's an update to my current flight...

I changed the ORD-HNL trip to RIC-IAD-SFO-HNL. The SFO - HNL trip has just over more than half of the F cabin filled with about 20 open seats, so hopefully I can get a seat on this flight. The return is still wide open and very optimistic about that flight. What do you all think?

Refer to FlyerTalk. They have a good FAQ on how you can check for current upgrade availability on UA flights.

To upgrade from Economy to First (on a two-cabin aircraft) using Confirmed Regional 1 or System Wide Upgrades you need availability in the "X" or "NF" booking class.

www.seatcounter.com used to be able to display the current availability in the "X" booking class. However, that feature was recently removed.

You can however, check "NF" availability on www.united.com. You need to set your profile for "Expert Mode" and then do a dummy booking using miles (check for a Standard Award in First Class). If you select flights, you can view the availability in each booking class (including NF).

If NF > 0 then you can be immediately confirmed into First. If NF <= 0 then you will be waitlisted. Depending on your status with United, your upgrade will usually clear a few days prior to departure, at the gate, or not at all (in which case your upgrade instrument will be returned).

The United Mileage Plus FAQ on FlyerTalk gives instructions on how to change your profile on www.united.com to expert mode to view the actual upgrade (booking class) availability as well as information on the booking classes themselves.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336354
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113792
 
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RE: United First Loads To Honolulu

Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:11 am

Warreng24,

Hey, thanks for the links man and the information. I REALLY appreciate it. Gave me a lot of good answers. Definitely going to use this quite often.

Again, thanks for the help!

Brent

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