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Longest Flights Without IFE?

Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:15 pm

Out of curiosity, what are some of the longest flights that operate regularly without IFE, and who operates them? (PTVs only...projectors/drop downs don't count - about as good as nothing IMO).

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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:36 pm

KE's ICN-YYZ flight (10642km) is currently operating without PTV equipped planes (in Economy class). That may change starting next month.

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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:56 pm

WN transcons have to be on that list. I don't know what transcons they have, but I am sure they have a few from the DC area to the west coast. I know they have ISP - LAS and that is a long trip too.
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:09 pm

AA's ORD-SFO/LAX are 4hrs in duration on a Super 80. DFW-SEA is also up there, probably longer.
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:25 pm

All LHs 744 long haul flight are with out PTVs. I cant bear to fly with them anymore to LAX from FRA, even if their service is great.
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:13 am

United's 747s that operate LAX/SFO-SYD have no PTV's in Y, thats 14 or 15 hours with only the overhead. Atleast until the refits are all done.
 
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Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:54 am



Quoting PHLstudent (Reply 5):
United's 747s that operate LAX/SFO-SYD have no PTV's in Y, thats 14 or 15 hours with only the overhead. Atleast until the refits are all done.

Same goes for Northwest's 747s, I believe. My sister flew DTW-KIX in Y about a year ago with only the projector.
 
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:23 am

United 747s in coach SFO-SYD are PTV-less to my knowledge.
 
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:06 am



Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 1):
KE's ICN-YYZ flight (10642km) is currently operating without PTV equipped planes (in Economy class)

Same goes for KE's ICN-TLV. 10 hours with nothing, in either class!

Jeez, even UA is refitting its aircrafts faster than those guys.
 
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:52 am

Hard to believe that some 50 years ago, people were able to manage 20 hours plus on a Trans Atlantic flight without so much as a screen on board ....  duck   Wink

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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:58 am

Even though TK now has most of its aircraft equipped with PTVs, a few years ago, I flew HKG-IST on an Airbus 340-300 without PTV. 8022 kms and 12 hr 36 mins of torture  Smile Thank God I could sleep for about 6 hours.
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:19 am

Since IB doesn't have PTVs in economy in any of its long haul aircraft then we have a good amount of pretty long flights.

The longest nonstop flight operated by IB is MAD-SCL (6648mi/10700km according to the great circle mapper) which takes over 13 hours.
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:27 am



Quoting PHLstudent (Reply 5):
United's 747s that operate LAX/SFO-SYD have no PTV's in Y, thats 14 or 15 hours with only the overhead. Atleast until the refits are all done.

Hi

UA are also doing LAX-MEL Direct for a short time. They have no plans to put in PTV on the 744? Only C and F are getting upgraded?
 
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:01 pm

I don't quite understand peoples obsession with IFE. I have no problem with flying without IFE. Bring a book, a MP3-player, sleep some and talk to your neighbors and the time flies by.
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:45 pm



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):
United 747s in coach SFO-SYD are PTV-less to my knowledge.

Lovely. I'm doing that in two weeks' time. :-/
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:56 am

It just depends on what you call IFE. I kinda like watching people go crazy trying to find something to do. LOL.
 
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:19 am



Quoting DYflyer (Reply 13):
don't quite understand peoples obsession with IFE. I have no problem with flying without IFE. Bring a book, a MP3-player, sleep some and talk to your neighbors and the time flies by.

Well if you fly on a flight that is +11hrs, then you will see what we mean
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:58 am



Quoting B747forever (Reply 16):
Well if you fly on a flight that is +11hrs, then you will see what we mean

11+?? I lose it after 8!  Wow!
 
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:32 am



Quoting AcNDTTech (Reply 15):
It just depends on what you call IFE. I kinda like watching people go crazy trying to find something to do. LOL.

That is usually entertaining enough. Big grin

And reading books or reading newspapers is not considered as entertainment nowadays  duck 

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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:11 am



Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 11):
The longest nonstop flight operated by IB is MAD-SCL (6648mi/10700km according to the great circle mapper) which takes over 13 hours.

Similar here, I've done many EZE-MAD on IB, around 12 hrs ... but the last two I was upgraded so those don't count Big grin

The worst though was another EZE-MAD but on AR. Service was great and the seat on the 744 was much more comfortable than on the A346, but their main IFE broke down, so we didn't even have that for 12 hours (AR has no PTV's in eco either).
The good thing was that for the first and only time in my life I actually manged to sleep around 5 or 6 hours  Wink
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:27 pm

I can't give anyone a worldwide look at this, but I know Monarch's longest flight with zero IFE was LGW-YDF, which was 5hrs 50mins without even overhead screens.
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:06 pm



Quoting B747forever (Reply 16):
Well if you fly on a flight that is +11hrs, then you will see what we mean

Well, i have several long haul flights without IFE. Latest one was 10,5 hours on a SU IL96 in September. No problem.
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:22 pm



Quoting DYflyer (Reply 21):

Well, i have several long haul flights without IFE. Latest one was 10,5 hours on a SU IL96 in September. No problem.

Then you must have superhuman anti-boredom powers.

For me, I have ADHD and I'm hyperactive. I love a short flight, but I am *DREADING* my SFO-SYD flight. Just dreading it.
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:30 pm



Quoting B747forever (Reply 16):
Well if you fly on a flight that is +11hrs, then you will see what we mean

It's entirely individual. I managed EWR-PEK, 13 hours, and as soon as we were in the air I turned off the annoying PTV and settled into my books. The flight was a pain in the ass, literally, but I wasn't bored.

If you're squirmy by nature, or not into reading, then I would imagine that the IFE is a godsend.
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:42 am

All of AA 767s which fly long haul from ORD,DFW,MIA and JFK to points all across Europe and South America. But I would much rather have the drop down/over head screen than nothing. I remember flying MIA-MAD on an IB 747-300 in the summer of 2002, all it had was one big projection screen in the front of the section, now that was a horrible IFE the movie choices where bad on the way there anyway.
My personal longest flight with out any type of IFE would only be around 3 hours BOS-MIA on a MD-80.
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:08 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):
Then you must have superhuman anti-boredom powers.

He, he. I have to agree with you  Wink
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:55 am

DL's longest is ATL-LOS, 5843 miles on a 767-300 ER. Around 12 hours of flight.

As for my longest flight without any IFE of any type (incl. overhead monitors), it's a tossup between an AA MD-80 DFW-BOS and an AS MD-80 DFW-SEA - the DFW-SEA flight was 4 hours block time, 1660 miles.

And I've done plenty of DL 757/767 flights where the AVOD system totally crashed, rendering it completely useless - many of these flights were transcons. No more than 4-5 hours of flight time though.
 
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:40 am

As far as the original question goes:
This year, I've done LAX-AMS on a KLM 747-406M. Great flight, but NO PTV's. It was about 11 hours, block to block.


And now...

Quoting DYflyer (Reply 13):
I don't quite understand peoples obsession with IFE. I have no problem with flying without IFE. Bring a book, a MP3-player, sleep some and talk to your neighbors and the time flies by.

Then perhaps you're commenting on the wrong thread!

Yes, in the 1950s, people went great periods of time in airplanes without a TV. Also in the 1950s, people went great periods of time IN THEIR LIVING ROOMS without a TV.

But this is the late 2000's, and soon to be 2010's. We have built our cultures around being spoon fed pictures of people dying, stripping, blowing up, screwing, lying, and occasionally being a hero.
And, ooh aah, interactive video games with the guy in 11B, or scrabble with the old woman in 48A.

No, seriously, I like a PTV just as much as the next guy. It doesn't make or break my travel choices (i.e., I won't avoid Northwest because their 744s have no IFE... I avoid them because they're a sucky carrier, but that's another thread). But I like them. Especially on KLM, where they have a great selection of new and old movies. I like old movies.
 
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Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:50 pm

If I can, I will chose a carrier that has PTV's since I am 99% of the time a non-sleeper, no matter how tired I am, and the long haul passes by for me much faster watching 2 or 3 movies, playing tetris or just looking at the flight information screen. However, most of the time, the carrier that doesn't offer PTV has a much better price offered, and ultmately that is what Iook for (among known carriers, I'm not going to get on anything just because of price). And my PTV-less flights have non been too bad.
First couple of hours, read the paper. Then eat, go to the toilet (can take forever!), watch the movies in the overhead screen, try to sleep (never happens, but I still rest for a couple of hours) ... when I realize I'm starting to get bored, there's only a couple fo hours left to land, and of course looking out the window is a must! Big grin
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:52 pm



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 27):


Yes, in the 1950s, people went great periods of time in airplanes without a TV.

BUT... they had fine dining on bone china with attentive stewards and stewardesses (not F/A's), large, comfortable seats, and most flights weren't more than 6 hours or so before they had to land and refuel.

The environment is totally different today and today, you are wedged into a Y-class seat with 31" pitch and 2° of recline for 14+ hours. That is not a very natural, healthy, or pleasant thing to do to any human being. In fact, when I booked my upcoming trip to SYD, I tried to book SFO-HNL-SYD but couldn't. I'd much rather be able to stretch my legs, recharge my electronics, and maybe even grab a shower at HNL than go the 14 hours non-stop.
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:45 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
Yes, in the 1950s, people went great periods of time in airplanes without a TV.

BUT... they had fine dining on bone china with attentive stewards and stewardesses (not F/A's), large, comfortable seats, and most flights weren't more than 6 hours or so before they had to land and refuel.

I wouldn't call any airline food that's prepared hours in advance and then reheated "fine dining" but it was definintely better than today, especially in Y class.

Re the flight time, there many nonstops in the propeller era much longer than 6 hours. Even West Coast-HNL on a PA/NW/UA Boeing 377 Stratocruiser was 10 hours. The DC-7 was about an hour faster. And when the final long-range L1649A Starliner version of the Constellation and comparable DC-7C went into service in 1956/57, some nonstops were as long if not longer (in time, not mileage) than today's ultra-longhauls like EWR-SIN. When TWA started L1649A nonstop service SFO-LHR in 1957 (I think it originated in LAX) the eastbound flight time was around 19 hrs westbound 21 hrs. New York-London nonstop in the late piston era when they could do it without a fuel stop was around 12 hrs eastbound and 14 hrs westbound. And U.S. transcon nonstops were around 9 hrs.
 
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:49 pm

As a CSD (cabin service director) one of the worst things that can happen to me at the start of the flight is when you power up the IFE and nothing happens!

No matter what you do your unlikely to get a tech support team down in time, even if you do then they more then likely won’t fix the problem in time. Solution, loads more papers etc and for First and Club they get hand held DVD players (that sometime go missing mid flight) lol… Issue is not really when the system goes down at LHR or LGW but more when we are in Africa or India – we don’t carry enough hand held for everyone in First and Club (normally around 20 for a B744).

On our Boeing 747 aircraft which still have the old screens (over the aisle and sometimes flat screens on the bulk heads, if your really lucky there are even projectors still around) we can most of the time coax those screens into working – it’s seen as a better then nothing type solution, it take time to work out the wires if there is no switch gear set up…

If the checks were a little rushed on the ground, or a sudden change of aircraft and/or crew sometimes the first sign of any problem is after take off, which is when I tend to hang my head on anything hard I can find!

The longest flight with no entertainment at all (no hand held DVD players due to a loading error) was 13 hours (SIN>LHR) on a B744.

I have been on quite a few flights with charter airlines were the entertainment system has only been drop down and was useless! The longest flight was on Britannia Airways (B763) from LGW to JNB – it was a long dull flight! Lucky it was over night flight – I did not sleep but I tried – lots!

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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:40 am



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):
United 747s in coach SFO-SYD are PTV-less to my knowledge.

they are getting PTV's in coach

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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:47 am



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 32):

they are getting PTV's in coach

Will they have it by Monday? *hopes, but does not count*
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:36 pm

The younger people on the board won't like my answer, but some of my very first flights were across the Atlantic on DC-8-63s of ONA and Capitol Intl. I can assure you, there were no movies or any other kind of entertainment. It wasn't so bad. I think I was so happy to be on a long-range flight that I was glad to soak up the sights and sounds. When I recently flew EWR-TLV-EWR, I barely even looked at the IFE. I brought books and magazines, and I slept a lot. My kids, on the other hand, couldn't tear themselves away from the IFE, so maybe it's a generational outlook. I could do just fine without the IFE, but the kids and young adults can not.
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:41 am



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 32):
Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):
United 747s in coach SFO-SYD are PTV-less to my knowledge.

they are getting PTV's in coach

Source? I feel like I've heard the opposite, but I could be wrong.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 26):
DL's longest is ATL-LOS, 5843 miles on a 767-300 ER. Around 12 hours of flight.

DL has a couple of other long routes on their 763s with no PTVs in coach, including TLV and AMM (both from JFK; ATL-TLV is on a 777 with PTVs, lucky them!  Smile)

What about AA or UA 757s, 763s, or domestic-777s (UA) from ORD to Hawaii?
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RE: Longest Flights Without IFE?

Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:44 pm



Quoting Daviation (Reply 34):
The younger people on the board won't like my answer, but some of my very first flights were across the Atlantic on DC-8-63s of ONA and Capitol Intl. I can assure you, there were no movies or any other kind of entertainment. It wasn't so bad.

I mean, IFE only got common within the last 10 years.

BUT... before 1990, a 14-hour flight was not possible. Now they are. And 14 hours is a long, long time to sit in a Y seat.
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