mozart
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Business Class Seats On KLM And Air France

Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:46 pm

Do KLM and Air France business class cabins have the same seats (longhaul)? I heard, Air France has several version of Business Class seat. What are the differences? Which one does KLM have, or a completely different one?

Which aircraft types have which seat version in the KLM fleet, in the Air France fleet? Do they KLM still re-configure old planes like the M11 and 744, or only the newer A333 and B777?

Thanks

[Edited 2008-12-08 11:50:50]
 
FlySSC
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RE: Business Class Seats On KLM And Air France

Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:00 pm



Quoting Mozart (Thread starter):
I heard, Air France has several version of Business Class seat.

Not really different "versions". The original business class seat (the one you find in the B744) was progressively improved to make a "second" then "third" generation, the one you find in most of the B772ER and B77W.
This last generation of seats is the one chosen by KLM.
 
mozart
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RE: Business Class Seats On KLM And Air France

Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:10 pm

Thanks for the info!

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 1):
This last generation of seats is the one chosen by KLM.

Which plane type does KLM install these third generation seat on? retro-fit all planes? Or only new deliveries?

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RE: Business Class Seats On KLM And Air France

Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:31 pm



Quoting Mozart (Reply 2):
Which plane type does KLM install these third generation seat on? retro-fit all planes? Or only new deliveries?

As far as I know, only the new deliveries will recieve the third generation J class seats with the fixed shell (777 and A330). All other types have been (re)configured with the older generation J class seats, which are still very new and comfortable mind you.


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henkybaby
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RE: Business Class Seats On KLM And Air France

Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:20 pm

New, yes. Comfortable no.

KLM's seats are not only angled, but also coated with Teflon making them a pain to sleep on. Also, but I'm not sure, I believe KL puts the new seats closer together than AF.

Still I would choose KLM because they have the best crew in the world!
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RE: Business Class Seats On KLM And Air France

Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:38 am



Quoting Henkybaby (Reply 4):
New, yes. Comfortable no.

I don't find these 10 degree angle seats comfortable for sleep. I find them great for relax mode, however.

As to AF (in my experience) -- seat is nice if you won't be sleeping, crew ok to very good, food ok, amenity kit is a joke (I thought it was the Y kit at first), wine is excellent, style of presntation is quite nice, service is frequent, IFE depends.

I don't know about KM well enough to comment. All my long haul on AF-KM was always AF via CDG (which is another saga).

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RE: Business Class Seats On KLM And Air France

Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:23 pm

I have written a few trip reports on both Air France and KLM's business class product.

Air France 777-200 (Same seats across the fleet):
Air France: The Best Place On Earth?

KLM A330 (New seats, not newest) and KLM MD-11 (Older generation seats)
Back To My Roots: KLM World Business Class

Hope this is of some help to you.

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