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Dual Airline Livery

Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:07 pm

From 1971 to 1986, a full 15 years, Air-India maintained two distinct liveries, one for their B707 fleet and the other for their B742 and A300 fleet.......


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Were there any other airlines that did this...? I would exclude the instances of two liveries existing side by side during the transition phase from the old to the new and the special one-off liveries.....I'm talking of a distinct, separate livery for an entire aircraft type in the fleet.....
 
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RE: Dual Airline Livery

Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:39 pm

Aeroflot had a different livery per airplane type. Only after the introduction of the Tu-154 the standard livery was introduced.
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RE: Dual Airline Livery

Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:41 pm

Hawaiian dis through most of the 1990s and early 2000s.

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RE: Dual Airline Livery

Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:45 pm

I suppose British Airways had one livery for their Concorde fleet whilst the rest had the world tails for a few years...

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RE: Dual Airline Livery

Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:54 pm

Delta had different liveries for their CV-880s and DC-8s when they were introduced. You will find that most of the old trunk carriers had new jet liveries and kept their props like the DC-6, DC-7, Connies, and Convairliners in old liveries.
 
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Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:03 pm

When NW introduced the livery on the DC-8 below in 1960 which lasted until 1969 when the livery shown on the 747 was introduced, they didn't change the previous livery on propeller types (DC-6B, DC-7C, L188 Electra) which remained in the 1950s livery until they were retired.

I think some L188 Electras survived with NW until about 1971-72 with the 1950s livery, a couple of years after the livery on the 747 was introduced, so the L188s were then two liveries behind.

1960 and 1969 liveries.


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1950s livery (the first 2 of NW's 5 DC-8-30s, their first jets, were delivered in that livery and the last 3 in the livery on the DC-8 above).


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Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:15 pm

Going by Aloha73G's example, American had a "different" livery for their A300's vs. the rest of the fleet:


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Hawaiian's DC-10's were ex-AA birds, so instead of painting, the silver polish was left on.

As for the A300's, the original models were made of different material that did not lend itself to the reflective polished look of Boeing's or McDonnell Douglas, so AA used a gray paint for a while to "match" the fleet.

Eventually, the A300's got the polished look, so the "one-off" scheme didn't last:


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Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:08 pm



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7):
Going by Aloha73G's example, American had a "different" livery for their A300's vs. the rest of the fleet:

Hawaiian's DC-10's were ex-AA birds, so instead of painting, the silver polish was left on.

Except that the two HA liveries Aloha showed us are different beyond just painted vs. bare metal. The stripes are also different.
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RE: Dual Airline Livery

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Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7):

If NW and Airlink will count here, then I think AA and MQ clearly qualify too...


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RE: Dual Airline Livery

Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:50 pm



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7):
American had a "different" livery for their A300's vs. the rest of the fleet:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7):
so AA used a gray paint

It was the same with EA's A300's; they had either the gray or white livery:


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Eventually, the A300's got the polished look, so the "one-off" scheme didn't last:

I don't think any of EA's were in the bare metal, polished scheme like this DC-9:


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Also, EA's A300's were probably their only a/c to have a gray scheme.

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RE: Dual Airline Livery

Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:11 am



Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 10):
Also, EA's A300's were probably their only a/c to have a gray scheme.

No, actually some of their 727s also were gray. Maybe some L-1011s were, too. Or maybe just white.
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RE: Dual Airline Livery

Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:35 am



Quoting San747 (Reply 9):

If NW and Airlink will count here, then I think AA and MQ clearly qualify too...

If you look closely enough, nearly all the regional brand liveries - at least the first generations thereof - varied from their manline counterparts: US and MQ both had white instead of bare metal. NW's orient scheme also had grey instead of bare metal, and then of course went red when the bowling shoe came out. The Saul-bass era UA livery had stripes that fanned out on the Express fleet and a different logo on the tail.
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RE: Dual Airline Livery

Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:00 am

QF is another one at the moment - merely because of the time it takes to shift all planes over to the new identity.

At one time, they did have a blue/white 747 with one of the BA world tails, but it was the exception, rather than the rule. At another time, they had a few different colour schemes - including the Australia Asia colours, and later the "Australian" brand - which was actually a very clever and eye-catching play on the traditional Qantas kangaroo logo.

While not a dual livery airline, BA did have a SQ liveried Concorde in its fleet. BA on one side, SQ on the other. It was Alpha-Delta, one of the earlier Concordes in the BA fleet. It operated under numerous regos too - N94AD (for America), and G-N94AD (for elsewhere).
 
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RE: Dual Airline Livery

Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:40 pm



Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 10):
Eventually, the A300's got the polished look, so the "one-off" scheme didn't last:

As far as I know, that's not correct. I can't recall ever seeing an EA A300 in bare metal. In fact, I think AA's A300s are the only Airbus aircraft anywhere in the world that do not have fully painted fuselages. AA had to wait for the Airbus warranty to expire before removing the paint as Airbus considers the paint to protect against corrosion.
 
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RE: Dual Airline Livery

Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:08 pm



Quoting Cpd (Reply 13):
QF is another one at the moment - merely because of the time it takes to shift all planes over to the new identity.



Quoting Gr8Circle (Thread starter):
exclude the instances of two liveries existing side by side during the transition phase from the old to the new and the special one-off liveries.....I'm talking of a distinct, separate livery for an entire aircraft type in the fleet.....

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RE: Dual Airline Livery

Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:52 pm



Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
If NW and Airlink will count here, then I think AA and MQ clearly qualify too...



Quoting JBo (Reply 12):
If you look closely enough, nearly all the regional brand liveries - at least the first generations thereof - varied from their manline counterparts:

I would not include the regional brands...those are created with a distinct identity of their own, yet there is a need to retain the link to the parent.....so, can't really count them....

Thanks for all the replies above.....it's been very useful reading....
 
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RE: Dual Airline Livery

Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:27 am



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 16):
I would not include the regional brands...those are created with a distinct identity of their own, yet there is a need to retain the link to the parent.....so, can't really count them....

Then what about Mesaba's and (earlier) Pinnacle/Express I's case with the props in red and the jets like a Northwest plane?
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RE: Dual Airline Livery

Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:55 am



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 17):
Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 16):
I would not include the regional brands...those are created with a distinct identity of their own, yet there is a need to retain the link to the parent.....so, can't really count them....

Then what about Mesaba's and (earlier) Pinnacle/Express I's case with the props in red and the jets like a Northwest plane?

Well, this is my personal opinion, and some may differ....but I would not count it.....the regional needs to have it's own identity and that's why the livery differs....in the case of AI, there was no difference...all three aircraft types in the opening thread were proper AI and nothing else....

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