staralliance38
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Foreign Carriers Operating US Domestic Routes

Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:00 pm

I'm getting tired of flying N-Jets and I have yet to fly a foreign jet. What foreign carriers service two US domectic cities or a US and Canadian city.

I know PR has the LAS-YVR link, but I'm kinda looking for something on the East Coast Big grin
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B747forever
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RE: Foreign Carriers Operating US Domestic Routes

Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:20 pm

QF serve JFK from LAX,you can't book though.

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phlstudent
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RE: Foreign Carriers Operating US Domestic Routes

Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:40 am

Cathay Pacific flies JFK-YVR and LAN flies JFK-YYZ
 
hoons90
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RE: Foreign Carriers Operating US Domestic Routes

Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:41 am

For US-Canada:

LAN Airlines JFK-YYZ on a Boeing 767-300ER(bookable, flew on it myself, actually: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ms/trip_reports/read.main/136103/)

Cathay Pacific JFK-YVR on a Boeing 777-300ER (bookable)

I don't think you can book on any domestic sectors flown by non-US airlines because they don't have cabotage rights.
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staralliance38
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RE: Foreign Carriers Operating US Domestic Routes

Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:32 am



Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 3):
LAN Airlines JFK-YYZ on a Boeing 767-300ER(bookable, flew on it myself, actually: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...103/)

Thanks! I am hoping to fly this this summer, if I can convince my dad to come with me. I have to start saving now I guess lol.

Any others out there? I'm gonna keep looking.
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Viscount724
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RE: Foreign Carriers Operating US Domestic Routes

Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:55 am

I you lived in SEA or somewhere a little closer to YVR you could make a short trip north of the border and fly a JL 747-400 YVR-MEX-YVR twice a week.

As already mentioned, it's illegal for foreign carriers to carry wholly domestic passengers between points in the USA.
 
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RE: Foreign Carriers Operating US Domestic Routes

Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:15 am

StarAlliance38,

A foreign--in this case, non-US and non-Canadian airliner can carry pax between the US and Canada because they have 'fifth freedom' rights to do so. For a foreign carrier to operate wholly within the US are 8th and 9th freedoms, also known as 'cabotage' and is not permitted under US law. The article below explains the fifth freedom.

http://www.airlinecity.com/2007/12/10/the-fifth-freedom/

Also note, sometimes its cheaper to fly a 5th freedom carrier between two cities:

http://www.airlinecity.com/2007/12/1...freedom-cheaper-or-more-expensive/

Hope these help!

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Jeremy
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RE: Foreign Carriers Operating US Domestic Routes

Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:15 am

RJ has a DTW-YUL-DTW flight.
I don't know if it is bookable though.
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RE: Foreign Carriers Operating US Domestic Routes

Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:00 pm

I know its not the same thing however I like the way you can fly AF (CityJet) between some cities in the UK.

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RE: Foreign Carriers Operating US Domestic Routes

Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:36 am



Quoting Baexecutive (Reply 8):
I know its not the same thing however I like the way you can fly AF (CityJet) between some cities in the UK.

The EU Single Market is a special situation. It's basically treated as one country for aviation purposes. Any EU carrier can fly anywhere they want within the EU, including wholly domestic flights in any other country.

Australia and New Zealand have a similar single market bilateral. An Australian airline can operate wholly domestic flights in New Zealand and vice versa.

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