chepos
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NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Thu May 07, 2009 10:18 am

Good Morning All,

As the title states, I ma planning on travel on a zed fare between DFW and EZE on 05/12/2009, returining on 05/16/2009 thorugh MIA. I am also looking at CO from IAH to EZE on
05/12/2009.
On AA and CO if Y fills up do they move OAL staff up to C or F or do they leave you behind.
Thank you for any input any of you can provide.

Regards,

Chepos
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Thu May 07, 2009 12:14 pm

Sadly, AA will leave you behind.

For now, the loads look good for the dates/cities you posted. However, I'd take the 20:25 departure (flight 900) to MIA on the return. The later one is filling up.
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Thu May 07, 2009 12:48 pm

AA wont leave you behind and they will leave you behind it really depends on the gate agent I have seen OAL in J cause coach was full and just because they were being nice when coach was not full. I don't know the policy but it happens. I know Delta by far is one of the best for OAL
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Thu May 07, 2009 2:05 pm

CO will not leave you behind. both coach and first are wide open, so there wont be any problems.
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Thu May 07, 2009 2:26 pm

CO won't put you in BusinessFirst generally if you are not listed for it in the first place. However it really depends on the gate agent, and we have some really nice ones, they may put you up front if there are no seats left in Y.

As CALMSP said above, the load looks open so don't worry too much if you end up flying CO.
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Thu May 07, 2009 2:35 pm

CALMSP is right. 51 & 52 is still open on the dates you asked about.
You may have a chance of being upgraded. Depends on the gate agent and how many seats left.

Have a good flight Chepos!
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 4:43 am

Thanks all for the comments and suggestions.
What is the dress code for non-reving on both AA and CO?
Right now I think I am leaniing towards going and coming on CO.



Regards

Chepos
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 5:28 am

Like most have said it depends on the Agents. When I worked the gates with AA I have put some ZED TKT in first. They press harder on the dress code. For AA its simple NO jeans and NO sneakers and trust me they enforce it big time.
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 5:37 am

Unfortunately, CO does not upgrade other airline non-revenue customers - unless you encounter an exceptionally nice gate agent. CO dress code is business casual. Have a nice trip!
 
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Fri May 08, 2009 12:47 pm



Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 1):
Sadly, AA will leave you behind.

For now, the loads look good for the dates/cities you posted. However, I'd take the 20:25 departure (flight 900) to MIA on the return. The later one is filling up.

AA will usually not leave you behind if coach is full. If you are dressed for it they will upgrade a ZED to J/F class. Unless the gate agent is a real sadist. I have several friends who fly ZED on AA out of MIA and they have never been left behind (if they were dressed for J/F) if there was space up front.

Quoting AAAL (Reply 7):
Like most have said it depends on the Agents. When I worked the gates with AA I have put some ZED TKT in first. They press harder on the dress code. For AA its simple NO jeans and NO sneakers and trust me they enforce it big time.

The dress code is stupid. That is one thing I wish AA would get rid of and it would not cost them a dime. As an airport agent I do not enjoy being the fashion police (although some people seem to thrive on this duty). This is not the good old days when people dressed to fly. Lets just let people be comfortable. I want to wear shorts when I fly to Orlando for the day.

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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 1:01 pm

you can wear jeans and shorts now on CO!! A little more comfortable for a 10 hour flihgt!!
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 1:34 pm



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 10):
you can wear jeans and shorts now on CO!! A little more comfortable for a 10 hour flihgt!!

While that is true for an OAL I might recommend business casual (kahkis and a polo). That may be enough to help get an upgrade. I would assume that if you are in jeans/shorts you'd stand no chance of an upgrade.
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 2:22 pm

Leaving someone behind when there is an empty seat anywhere on the aircraft is something that is ridiculous to me.

When I would work the gates, you either move up a revenue passenger from coach to make room, or you upgrade the employee.
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 2:27 pm



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 10):
shorts now on CO!!

no shorts on CO ever. Please read our dresscode... jeans and sneakers fine, a polo shirt is ok, no t-shirts
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 2:29 pm

please re-read the dress code...............shorts are okay. T-shirts are ok.
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 2:40 pm



Quote:
AJMIA
The dress code is stupid. That is one thing I wish AA would get rid of and it would not cost them a dime. As an airport agent I do not enjoy being the fashion police (although some people seem to thrive on this duty). This is not the good old days when people dressed to fly. Lets just let people be comfortable. I want to wear shorts when I fly to Orlando for the day.

Agreed but you know if you let them slip the FA will complain or in fact someone is bound to find out and then you are written up for it. SO your pratically forced.
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 2:42 pm



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 14):
please re-read the dress code...............shorts are okay. T-shirts are ok.

I guess we both need to re-read the dress code, I was wrong, you were partly correct. Here is the text from employee res:
All employees, retirees and early outs are responsible to ensure their pass riders, including
buddies, are dressed appropriately. A pass rider’s overall appearance should be well-groomed,
neat, clean and in good taste. Attire should be respectful of fellow revenue passengers,
employees and pass riders.

The following attire is still unacceptable in any cabin:

• Any attire that reveals a midriff.
• Attire that reveals any type of undergarments.
• Attire that is designated as sleepwear, underwear, or swim attire.
• Mini Skirts
• Shorts that do not meet 3 inches above the knee when in a standing position.
• Form-fitting lycra/spandex tops, pants and dresses.
• Attire that has offensive and/or derogatory terminology or graphics.
• Attire that is excessively dirty or has holes/tears.
• Any attire that is provocative, inappropriately revealing, or see-through clothing.
• Bare feet
• Beach-type, rubber flip-flops
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 2:45 pm

AA's official policy is no OAL employees in any cabin but Y. Whether some stations are lax about it I'm not sure. It's a sad policy but probably stems from the fact employees have to pay to sit there, whereas main cabin is free. AA's dress code is business casual.
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 2:48 pm



Quoting Dutchflyboi (Reply 13):
no shorts on CO ever

CALMSP is right, shorts are now allowed.

Quoting Dutchflyboi (Reply 13):
jeans and sneakers fine, a polo shirt is ok, no t-shirts

T-shirts are fine as well, though it really does depend on the gate agent here. The rules state that t-shirts and shorts are fine for economy and domestic F. I would never try to wear them for International J though.

Quoting Chepos (Reply 6):
What is the dress code for non-reving on both AA and CO?

As stated above by most, the dress code is very lax at CO. In case you end up needing to fly in J, some khakis and a polo would not be a bad idea if you get an old school gate agent. Trust me, they still exist in Houston.

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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 2:50 pm



Quoting SR 103 (Reply 18):
CALMSP is right, shorts are now allowed.

they are not always allowed, Please re-read post 16, it comes directly from employee res.
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 3:10 pm

where are you stating we cannot where shorts??

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 18):
As stated above by most, the dress code is very lax at CO. In case you end up needing to fly in J, some khakis and a polo would not be a bad idea if you get an old school gate agent. Trust me, they still exist in Houston.

You should have no worries wearing jeans in first. I've been doing it since the day we announced the change, flying b/t LHR/CDG/NRT/HKG.
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 3:23 pm



Quoting Dutchflyboi (Reply 19):
they are not always allowed, Please re-read post 16, it comes directly from employee res.

SR 103 is right. This is straight from employee res.

The following attire is still unacceptable in any cabin:

• Shorts that do not meet 3 inches above the knee when in a standing position.


Now why would that rule be written if you could not wear shorts in the first place?
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 3:27 pm

they are allowed provided that you are not wearing your hot shorts from the discoteca!!!
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 3:28 pm



Quoting CO58 (Reply 21):
Now why would that rule be written if you could not wear shorts in the first place?

 Smile I guess you did not bother to read all the reply's. As I stated in reply 16, I was wrong and quoted the whole text myself, to avoid confusion.
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 3:33 pm



Quoting Dutchflyboi (Reply 23):
I guess you did not bother to read all the reply's. As I stated in reply 16, I was wrong and quoted the whole text myself, to avoid confusion.

Sorry, I missed that. Guess I skimmed through them and missed your reply, sorry again.
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 3:35 pm

I'm glad the dress code has been changed. On CO, I personally wear business causal if I wanted to get upgraded. Plus I'm always nice and pleasant to the gate agent  Wink

But I'm glad I can wear a nice pair of comfy jeans for a longer flight. You can usually tell the non-revs, because we dress nicer!!!

But the dress code is now a bit more liberal, and most gate agents I've encountered are cool. Like previous posters said, they have enough to worry about instead of being the fashion police!
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Fri May 08, 2009 3:39 pm



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 22):
they are allowed provided that you are not wearing your hot shorts from the discoteca!!!

It's funny........ The female flight attendants used to wear "Hot Pants" back in the day!

LOL!!!!
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Fri May 08, 2009 4:46 pm



Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 17):
AA's official policy is no OAL employees in any cabin but Y. Whether some stations are lax about it I'm not sure. It's a sad policy but probably stems from the fact employees have to pay to sit there, whereas main cabin is free. AA's dress code is business casual.

I have not seen any ZED (OAL) given anything but coach (on AA), simply because the fare structure is set up for coach and even if an agent did give a ZED F/J the F/A's would be the first to say something about it.
 
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Fri May 08, 2009 6:16 pm



Quoting N737AA (Reply 27):

the FA's dont know the type of fare you paid for a ticket. And its not up to the FA to determine whether or not they can sit there.
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Sat May 09, 2009 12:42 am

Thank you all once agaiin for the comments.
I think I have decided on AA from DFW to EZE on 05/12/2009 coming back on CO EZE to IAH on 05/16/2009. As a backup to comback I think Ill list for EZE to MIA (flight 900) and maybe EZE to LIM on TA and LIM to LAX on LA.

Once again, thanks to all.

Regards,

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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Sat May 09, 2009 9:18 pm



Quoting AAAL (Reply 15):
Agreed but you know if you let them slip the FA will complain or in fact someone is bound to find out and then you are written up for it. SO your pratically forced.

I have never heard of anyone being written up at for letting someone on out of dress code.

If I was written up for such a thing I would probably laugh and refuse to sign it. Managers at AA have a lot bigger fish to fry then the nonrev dress policy. The current dress policy has got to go.

Quoting N737AA (Reply 27):
I have not seen any ZED (OAL) given anything but coach (on AA), simply because the fare structure is set up for coach and even if an agent did give a ZED F/J the F/A's would be the first to say something about it.

I have seen plenty of ZEDs accommodated in premium cabins when the back of the plane is full. It is a nice thing to do and if no paying passenger or AA employee wishes to have the seat then it is also the right thing to do.

I have never heard a flight attendant complain specifically about dress codes or who was sitting in first class. The only time I have heard a flight attendant bring up dress codes or premium cabin eligibility is when passengers behave badly onboard. In these cases it is usually not airline employees, but buddy pass D3 guests.

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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Sun May 10, 2009 12:59 am



Quote:
I have never heard of anyone being written up at for letting someone on out of dress code.

If I was written up for such a thing I would probably laugh and refuse to sign it. Managers at AA have a lot bigger fish to fry then the nonrev dress policy. The current dress policy has got to go.

I Have seen plenty of ZEDs accommodated in premium cabins when the back of the plane is full. It is a nice thing to do and if no paying passenger or AA employee wishes to have the seat then it is also the right thing to do.

I have never heard a flight attendant complain specifically about dress codes or who was sitting in first class. The only time I have heard a flight attendant bring up dress codes or premium cabin eligibility is when passengers behave badly onboard. In these cases it is usually not airline employees, but buddy pass D3 guests.


I seen a lot of co-workers written up. One time traveling DFW-SDF and traveling positive space, THE agent refused to upgrade my GF cause she had her work shoes on. They were black boots that kind of looked like sneakers. All he kept saying" I'm not getting written up again for that"

FA complain all they time. Once they get the GPL they start questioning the agents about certain passengers.
 
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Sun May 10, 2009 1:44 am



Quoting AAAL (Reply 31):
I seen a lot of co-workers written up. One time traveling DFW-SDF and traveling positive space, THE agent refused to upgrade my GF cause she had her work shoes on. They were black boots that kind of looked like sneakers. All he kept saying" I'm not getting written up again for that"

good to know they are more concerned w/ non-revs than revenue!!
 
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RE: NonRev Travel On AA And CO

Sun May 10, 2009 2:13 am



Quoting AAAL (Reply 31):
I seen a lot of co-workers written up. One time traveling DFW-SDF and traveling positive space, THE agent refused to upgrade my GF cause she had her work shoes on. They were black boots that kind of looked like sneakers. All he kept saying" I'm not getting written up again for that"

Well like I said I have never seen anyone written up for that. I talked with a friend from SFO tonight and she has never seen anyone written up for that either. I will check with my lift AAB when I get back to work this week. If people are being written up for that then it is stupid. If anything a friendly warning should suffice. But really who cares about a CR1. It is not going to get you fired and it makes no difference for your raise.

Saying that the only reason they are doing something is because they "don't want to get written up" is easier to say then I am being a prick to you for no good reason. I have more respect for people who take ownership of their decision; It is policy and I am enforcing it.

I feel bad you girlfriend did not get the upgrade. We should have better things to do then nitpick each other.

Quoting AAAL (Reply 31):
FA complain all they time. Once they get the GPL they start questioning the agents about certain passengers.


This again is something I am not seeing or hearing. However if I was in the situation I would suggest to the flight attendant that they go on board and do their job and let the agent at the gate board the flight as they see fit.

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