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Airline Rivalries

Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:19 am

What airlines' do not get along. As in they would never code share, merge, or join the same alliance. Also some that go so far as to compete for dominance over one another?
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:30 am

VS and BA.
Also, back in the day American and Braniff had some huge battles. And then American had their legal battles with WN and DAL.
Virgin America and Alaska seem to hate each other too.
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:33 am

Frontier and United come to mind...

the original Frontier and Continental had quite a feud in DEN back in the day, too... but, the remains of that version ended up part of CO in the end.
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:40 am

Delta and the world?

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RE: Airline Rivalries

Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:40 am

in Canada, AC and WS, 5T and 7F. BA and BD might be a good one for the uk over LHR slots. AI and IC even though they're in the merger proccess still have dissagreements
 
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:46 am



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3):
Delta and the world?

AGREED! Some Delta crews are just snotty to others carrier's crews. Not all of them, but certainly more than any other carrier.
 
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:01 am

A few topics in the past, including one I started.

Airline Rivalry (by Bakestar Mar 21 2006 in Civil Aviation)
Biggest Rivalres In Airline Industry (by Bmi330 Mar 8 2002 in Civil Aviation)
Biggest Airline Rivalry? (by Simairlinenet Jul 1 2006 in Aviation Polls)

I argued for:
1. American vs. United: the two largest airlines in the world, sparring for decades.
2. Pan Am vs. TWA: the great international rivalry for nearly half a century.
3. British Airways vs. Virgin Atlantic: colorful Branson against the BA establishment.
4. Delta vs. Eastern: Different origins but similar networks.
5. easyJet vs. Ryanair: Stelios and O'Leary.

Now, I think I would take Delta-Eastern out and put in American-Southwest.

[Edited 2009-06-23 19:02:26]
 
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:49 am

Lufthanasa and Air France/KLM
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:55 am

Back in the 90's- Alaska and Morris, and Alaska and Markair.
in th 80's Alaska and Wien Air
 
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:55 am

Singapore and Cathay Pacific
Singapore and Qantas
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:09 am



Quoting Simairlinenet (Reply 6):
I argued for:
...............................
5. easyJet vs. Ryanair: Stelios and O'Leary

I would argue that this should read Ryanair versus everyone:

-2 hostile takeover bids of Aer lingus.
-Threats to bid for LH!...smart people knew it was for publicity.
-Regular legal cases against aviation regulators and/or airports.
-Lambasting of politicians no matter what country.
-All the logo jets- "no to BA fuel levy", "arivederci Alitalia","latehansa","goodbye LOT"(in polish),
-They generally undercut any airline who trys to operate from one of 'their' airports thus forcing that airline back out.
 
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:20 am

Does anyone know of any flights that have to be seperated passenger wise at departure or arrival for fear that passengers may end up fighting etc?
 
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:42 pm



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 11):
Does anyone know of any flights that have to be seperated passenger wise at departure or arrival for fear that passengers may end up fighting etc?


no, that's just rediculous. Passengers don't take part in airline rivalrys!

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RE: Airline Rivalries

Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:07 pm



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 11):
Does anyone know of any flights that have to be seperated passenger wise at departure or arrival for fear that passengers may end up fighting etc?

No way. Most passengers don't even care what airline they are traveling on; all they care about is how much they have to pay for a ticket. It's ridiculous to think passengers would even care about airline rivalries.

Now, if we had a select group of A.net members, it might be a different story. . .
 
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:15 pm

Would you say there's any intense rivalry between the big three in the Middle East, Emirates-Qatar-Etihad? I don't really feel it, but I was wondering what others thought...
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:30 pm

EK versus QR
SQ versus MH
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:33 pm



Quoting Bramble (Reply 10):
Threats to bid for LH!...smart people knew it was for publicity.

Smart people know that most of what MOL does is for publicity.

My vote goes to BA vs VS.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...uary/11/newsid_2520000/2520189.stm
 
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:40 am



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
VS and BA.

Strange that everyone believes there is fierce rivalry between BA and VS when in reality there is much co-operation between them.

Quoting Slinky09 (Reply 16):
My vote goes to BA vs VS.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...9.stm

Everyone seems to make a mountain out of a molehill on this episode - BA poaching VS customers at check-in, BA offering VS Upper Class free upgrades to Concorde, BA spreading rumours that VS aircraft were unsafe, BA informing VS customers that their flights were overbooked, BA spreading rumours about aids-infected needles found in Branson's Haven nightclub etc were some of the accusations made by Branson against BA. However, Branson's only victory against BA was for comments that BA managers had made in an internal BA staff newspaper. Fueled by his victory in the UK courts, Branson took the case to the US and promply lost. This is something that Branson, and his admirers, will never mention.

Lord King and many BA directors constantly tolerated Branson's taunts and being the professionals they were, ignored them for a long time. Lord King was quoted as referring to VS as "an annoying fly that would not go away". However, matters came to a head and Lord King's tolerance snapped when VS was granted access to LHR when the "dirty tricks" were alleged to have taken place.
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:37 am



Quoting BCAL (Reply 17):
Strange that everyone believes there is fierce rivalry between BA and VS when in reality there is much co-operation between them.

Perhaps not as fierce now, but the rivalry was pretty heated back in the day.
 
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:17 am

PSA and AirCal had a great rivalry in the California Market. When one airline cancelled a flight everyone ran over to the other.
 
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:21 am



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 11):
Does anyone know of any flights that have to be separated passenger wise at departure or arrival for fear that passengers may end up fighting etc?

I can recall there being a few incidents where fans of rival sporting teams were traveling on the same flights, and there being some trouble. It's a faded memory, but when two of the English clubs had a game against each other in Europe rings a bell - nothing to do with rivalries between airlines mind you.

The only other instance I could think of is if a large group of religion A who disliked religion B were traveling on the same ElAl flight, then there may be some aggression directed towards the airline, but it's very very unlikely.


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RE: Airline Rivalries

Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:21 am

QF and CX (even though they are in the same alliance)
QF and SQ
QF and V Australia
Tiger Airways and Jetstar
 
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:28 am

QF vs CX

Even though they share an Alliance together they are fierce competitors on the SW Pac.-HK market the only co operation is QF's code on CX's HKG-FCO flight. QF even use AF as their partner to France (including co operation on a AF operated HKG-CDG flight!)


Another one that comes to mind is EK vs Everyone



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RE: Airline Rivalries

Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:31 am

Aircal, UA, and Pacific Southwest Airlines or PSA for inter-California routes
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RE: Airline Rivalries

Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:49 pm



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Virgin America and Alaska seem to hate each other too.

I wouldn't say that.... I would say more like VX vs. the entire U.S. airline industry.
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