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IL-86 Still Flying?

Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:26 pm

A now closed tread concluded that the IL-86 is no longer flying for Ural Airlines, but according to wideroe.no you can still fly it to Antalya, at least next week..
 
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:51 pm


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This pic gave me some hope. However after running Google Translate on the Aeroflot-Don website I figured out that these are charter only, although operating regularly between Antalya and Moscow throughout the summer.

If there is still a chance of booking a flight on one of these, I would give it a try. Btw, the Atlant-Soyuz ILWs also seem to operate on a regular basis although a retirement announcement was made a while back.

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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:00 am



Quoting Loran (Reply 1):
If there is still a chance of booking a flight on one of these, I would give it a try.

You can; SVX - AYT on Ural is a scheduled flight and bookable on wideroe.no , I just made a reservation for next sunday..  Smile
 
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:36 am



Quoting Eirik (Reply 2):
You can; SVX - AYT on Ural is a scheduled flight and bookable on wideroe.no , I just made a reservation for next sunday.. Smile

I hope you write a trip report  airplane   Big grin
Btw, both Yekatarainburg and Antalya are great cities, so be sure you explore them, rather then just fly Il-86!

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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:22 am

well, it´s not for sure that I will take that route, been on the IL-86 3 times, just made the reservation to be sure that it´s possible..  Smile But I WILL go to Antalya on sunday, most likely on a direct, cheap charter flight from Oslo, will spend a week in the area and try to return via Moscow, SU has a really good connection on IL-96 this summer  Smile
 
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:19 pm



Quoting Eirik (Reply 2):
You can; SVX - AYT on Ural is a scheduled flight and bookable on wideroe.no , I just made a reservation for next sunday.

You are right, even for late August it still shows the ILW flying to SVX.
Ok, might have to reconsider AYT in that case. Do you think this information is accurate and they actually operate the ILWs as scheduled? That would be great.

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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:32 pm

I guess so..
Will make some inquieries at AYT next week  Smile
 
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:38 am

Hi Eirik,

May I ask you for a favour to enquire on spot if there is a way to buy a ticket AYT-DME? The flights show up on their website, but not bookable (28.08.09). Not sure if I have enough time to transit through SVX.

Also, if you see the Aeroflot-Don counter, could you check if there is some option of buying a ticket on their service to Moscow?

Thanks in advance.
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:06 pm

SU 30AUG 0000
1 U63791 Y4 Q4 K4 M4 UL OL SVX AYT 0900 1030 E0/ILW 4:30
2 U63725 C4 Y4 Q4 K4 M4 U4 OL SVX AYT 1100 1230 E0/321 4:30


SU 30AUG 0000
1 U63792 Y4 Q4 K4 M4 UL OL AYT SVX 1135 1835 E0/ILW 4:00
2 U63726 C4 GL Y4 Q4 K4 M4 U4 AYT SVX 1330 2045 E0/321 4:15
OL

These appear to be the last scheduled IL-86 flights - 30th August. A321 operating on same day, different flight.

Until this date, the IL-86s are still operating some of the SVX-DME flights.
 
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:02 am



Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 8):
These appear to be the last scheduled IL-86 flights - 30th August. A321 operating on same day, different flight.

Until this date, the IL-86s are still operating some of the SVX-DME flights

Thanks for the info, I should really try to get on one of these flights. I was hoping to get on the particular AYT-DME service because I will be transiting through SVO on the 29.08.... Their website just doesn't allow to select the flight although it is correctly displayed in the schedule.

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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:08 pm



Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 8):
Until this date, the IL-86s are still operating some of the SVX-DME flights.

Supposedly one of the Friday-flights is operated with the IL-86, but i would not rely on this to catch the IL-86. They are often replaced with Airbus' or TU5. I have tried this one several times, but have been disappointed every time  Sad I think the flight to AYT is a safer bet
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:13 pm



Quoting Loran (Reply 7):
Also, if you see the Aeroflot-Don counter, could you check if there is some option of buying a ticket on their service to Moscow?

Will do if at AYT, right now it looks like I will travel through Dalaman instead, and the most interesting flight on my trip will be TK/ Jet Airways 77W IST-LHR ..
 
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:51 am



Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 8):
Until this date, the IL-86s are still operating some of the SVX-DME flights.

I actually meant to say SVX-AYT (scheduled) & DME-AYT (charter I think, as you can not book them).

I can not see them on any domestic SVX-DME runs any more.
 
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:29 pm



Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 12):
I actually meant to say SVX-AYT (scheduled) & DME-AYT (charter I think, as you can not book them).

I can not see them on any domestic SVX-DME runs any more.

Correct, that matches what I found on their website. Fares are around EUR 450 for AYT-SVX-SVO. I wish there was a possibility to skip the SVX transit and head straight to DME...

Eirik, if you get a chance, would you be able to enquire at their counter in AYT if there is some way of purchasing a ticket on their AYT-DME run? Thanks.

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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:08 pm



Quoting Loran (Reply 13):
Eirik, if you get a chance, would you be able to enquire at their counter in AYT if there is some way of purchasing a ticket on their AYT-DME run? Thanks

would love to, but my TK ticket now says Osl-Ist-Dalaman-Ist-Lhr, so probably wont visit AYT this time..
 
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:30 am



Quoting Loran (Reply 13):
Eirik, if you get a chance, would you be able to enquire at their counter in AYT if there is some way of purchasing a ticket on their AYT-DME run? Thanks.

You can at least do the AYT-SVX-SVO run ..

Flight 1 Sunday, August 02, 2009

Departure: 11:35 Antalya, Turkey - Antalya
Arrival: 18:35 Ekaterinburg, Russia - Koltsovo
Airline: Ural Airlines U63792 e
Aircraft: Ilyushin IL-86

Change of plane required. Time between flights = 2:55.

Flight 2 Sunday, August 02, 2009

Departure: 21:30 Ekaterinburg, Russia - Koltsovo
Arrival: 22:10 Moscow, Russia - Sheremetyevo International
Airline: Ural Airlines U6466 e
Aircraft: Airbus Industrie A320-100/200
 
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:58 am



Quoting Eirik (Reply 15):

Hi Eirik,

Yeah that is what I thought would be best. Fares are not really cheap and I am just a little worried about equipment change, but it is the last chance I guess.

Thanks again and have a great trip to Dalaman!
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:26 pm



Quoting Loran (Reply 16):
Thanks again and have a great trip to Dalaman!

Thanks  Smile ´Am already in the beautiful village of Kas´ , will return on the TK/ Jet Airways 77W to London, maybe try to do a r/t to Antalya on IL-96 and -86 later this summer  Smile Good luck !
 
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:45 am



Quoting Loran (Reply 16):
Yeah that is what I thought would be best. Fares are not really cheap and I am just a little worried about equipment change, but it is the last chance I guess.

If the ticket is refundable you could always have a backup plan if the -86´s not showing up on the day of your departure from AYT; SU IL-96 directly to SVO later in the afternoon could be one..
 
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:53 am



Quoting Eirik (Reply 18):
If the ticket is refundable you could always have a backup plan if the -86´s not showing up on the day of your departure from AYT; SU IL-96 directly to SVO later in the afternoon could be one..

Sounds like a good idea, but their terms & conditions seem to be a google translate product and are hard to understand.

The Il-96 should be covered by then  Smile I bought an SU ticket routing BKK-SVO-FRA return. Hopefully the ILW will be part of this trip. It also depends if I can arrange a transit visa quickly enough. Does anyone of you have experience how to arrange this type of visa and how long the process takes?

Thanks again for the help.
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:00 pm

contact www.wideroe.no , you can book the ticket there and also ask them about rules / refunds, it´s a very good and communicative site.
 
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:07 am

Thanks Eirik. I will contact them and find out.

One more question to Ian, IIRC you were flying FRA-SVX on LH, may I ask if non-rev? Fares are pretty high, EUR450+ o/w  faint . Is there any cheaper way of getting into SVX? AYT-FRA is cheaper at least, approx. EUR 200.

Also, is anyone experienced in terms of transit visas?

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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:34 am

This is at least better , on wideroe.no ..



Frankfurt to Ekaterinburg
Flight 1 Tuesday, August 11, 2009

Departure: 14:50 Frankfurt, Germany - Frankfurt International
Arrival: 20:00 Moscow, Russia - Domodedovo
Airline: Air Berlin AB7868 e
Aircraft: Airbus Industrie A319
Operated by another airline
Fare type: Economy

Change of plane required. Time between flights = 2:00.

Flight 2 Tuesday, August 11, 2009

Departure: 22:00 Moscow, Russia - Domodedovo
Arrival: 02:10 +1 day(s) Ekaterinburg, Russia - Koltsovo
Airline: Ural Airlines U6265 e
Aircraft: Airbus Industrie A320-100/200
Fare type: Economy Restricted

Legend:
e = e-ticket option,
NOK = Norway Krone,
EUR = Euro
Price
Passengers Flights Taxes
1 adult(s) x (1,650 + 809) = 2,459 NOK (280 EUR)
Total for all passengers 2,459 NOK (280 EUR)
 
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:51 am

Quoting Eirik (Reply 2):
You can; SVX - AYT on Ural is a scheduled flight and bookable on wideroe.no , I just made a reservation for next sunday..

When I searched, it was about £280! Extremely expensive!

I was randomly searching AYT-MOW and saw that the IL9 is scheduled to operate certain flights. But, again, extremely expensive. I have flown the IL9 before on SVO-DEL.

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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:53 pm

Good news! It IS still possible to fly the IL-86 on domestic flights!

I am travelling to Russia for a week 16-23 August on an organised tour but was thinking of breaking away from the tour for a day and was looking at what I could fly on certain routes. I found this:

1.345.7 1600VKO 1820AER 7B 201 ILW CDZSL 0
1.345.7 2020AER 2240VKO 7B 202 ILW CDZSL 0

Atlant Soyuz are using them on some shceduled flights from Moscow Vnukovo to Sochi. I am thinking of flying MOW-AER on the morning and taking the IL-86 back to VKO on the evening. AER-VKO on 13AUG works out at GBP107 one way.

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Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:08 pm


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Great news, that would explain this picture.
Any scheduled 7B flights in the week starting 23.08. to 28.08.?

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Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:09 pm

There are more...

Ural Airlines also using them DME-AER. I found this for 19AUG for example:

U6 279 G4 S4 Y4 L4 Q4 B4 V4 DME AER 0850 1040 E0/ILW 1:50
H4 T4 M4 X4 W4 N4 E4 O4

U6 280 G4 S4 Y4 L4 Q4 B4 V4 AER DME 1230 1450 E0/ILW 2:20
H4 T4 M4 X4 W4 E4 O4

Looks like the coming month is the time to do it!
 
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:21 pm



Quoting Loran (Reply 25):
Any scheduled 7B flights in the week starting 23.08. to 28.08.?

They seem to be running on the days shown below, until 31AUG:

-31AUG 1.345.7 1600VKO 1820AER 7B 201 ILW CDZSL 0
-31AUG 1.345.7 2020AER 2240VKO 7B 202 ILW CDZSL 0
 
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Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:04 pm



Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 24):
AER-VKO on 13AUG works out at GBP107

Sounds a pretty good price and my birthday!  Silly
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:07 am

A good opportunity would be the 26.08.09, you could hit the U6 ILW heading to AER and the 7B ILW return on the same day. Fares are reasonalbe, but involves DME as departure and VKO as arrival points.

This is the only ILW flight I have found to AER in the U6 schedule during the week starting the 24.08.
I might try the 7B return flight to AER on the 28.08. Hope this flight is operated by an ILW. The 7B website doesn't specify the equipment type though.
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Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:50 am



Quoting Loran (Reply 29):
A good opportunity would be the 26.08.09, you could hit the U6 ILW heading to AER and the 7B ILW return on the same day. Fares are reasonalbe, but involves DME as departure and VKO as arrival points.

This is the only ILW flight I have found to AER in the U6 schedule during the week starting the 24.08.
I might try the 7B return flight to AER on the 28.08. Hope this flight is operated by an ILW. The 7B website doesn't specify the equipment type though.

I was going to do that on the 19th but since I have flown on a U6 IL-86 before I am going to take a couple of UTAir flights in order to get on a Tu-134A and return from AER on the 7B IL-86 flight.

I'm also planning to take a couple of Orenair flights on the 23rd in the hope of flying a Tu-154B2. It is a 4 in 5 chance so fingers crossed!
 
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:20 pm

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Saw this tail in Dalaman on sunday, looks like an -86 from Atlant Soyuz .. (?)
 
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:05 am



Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 27):
-31AUG 1.345.7 1600VKO 1820AER 7B 201 ILW CDZSL 0
-31AUG 1.345.7 2020AER 2240VKO 7B 202 ILW CDZSL 0

May I ask the ones of you who have access to the schedules if the above information is still current for the week starting the 24.08.? Might give it a try on Friday the 28.08. then.
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:27 am



Quoting Loran (Reply 32):
May I ask the ones of you who have access to the schedules if the above information is still current for the week starting the 24.08.? Might give it a try on Friday the 28.08. then.

FR 28AUG 0000
7B 201 C4 D4 Z4 Y4 B4 K4 M4 VKO B AER 1600 1820 E0/ILW 2:20
H4 Q4 T4 V4 WL

FR 28AUG 0000
7B 202 C4 D4 Z4 Y4 B4 K4 M4 AER VKO B 2020 2240 E0/ILW 2:20
HR QL TL VL WL

You can book it and view schedules on the atlant Soyuz website: http://www.atlant-soyuz.aero/en/
 
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RE: IL-86 Still Flying?

Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:35 am

Thanks Ian. Yeah I have checked their webpage, but no aircraft type given in their schedules, and I don't have access to Amadeus. At least the booking engine seems to work fine, in contrast to some other websites.
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