Pe@rson
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Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:27 pm

SV DMM-DAC one-way for £130 including taxes.

Alternatively, SV JED-RUH-DAC one-way for £177 including taxes. (JED-RUH sector doesn't seem to be bookable to get on the 74L.)

The downside is that it's exceedingly difficult to get a visa for Saudi Arabia, and connecting flights are a lot more.

As we know, SV have some fantastic aircraft beside the 74L, e.g. the 741 and the 743. If you could get a Saudi visa, you could easily fly those two between JED and RUH - and it's cheap, at about £45 one-way including taxes.
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:55 pm

Are Syrian flying their -SP´s this summer ?
 
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:59 pm



Quoting Eirik (Reply 1):
Are Syrian flying their -SP´s this summer ?

Nope.
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:05 pm

Didn´t even know Saudian had -SP´s flying scheduled pax flights ..  Smile
HOW difficult is it to get a visa for people living in Europe ?
 
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:20 pm



Quoting Eirik (Reply 3):
HOW difficult is it to get a visa for people living in Europe ?

For Britons at least, it basically seems that you can only get a tourist visa if you go on an organised tour or if you are visiting family/friends who could sponsor you. It is considered one of the most difficult countries to visit for British tourists. And it's a big shame!
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:08 pm

Since I'm a citizen of Jeddah, I've flown dozens of times on SV 741's and 743's between JED and RUH. I have to admit, it feels really sweet to fly in those classics.

The SV 747-SP's used to fly on passenger flights in the past, but not anymore.

There's a cafe which lies directly south of JED, where I love to sit and watch aircraft coming in on short final for runway 34C. In any one night I could see several SV 772's, 741's, 743's and E170's. It's a true delight. The funny thing is that, when I compare all the different aircraft that pass by, it seems to be that the E170's have the the brightest strobe lights.

I'm planning to become a pilot at SV, and if I ever become a pilot there, by the time I become eligible to upgrade to a wide body aircraft first officer position, I'm pretty sure that the 741's and 743's would have already been replaced by A333's and 789's.

[Edited 2009-07-29 16:20:00]
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:31 am



Quoting Eightball (Reply 5):
The SV 747-SP's used to fly on passenger flights in the past, but not anymore.

You´re shure ?
Trying to book a flight in August on wideroe.no this appears :

Dammam to Dhaka
Flight 1 Monday, August 31, 2009

Departure: 05:50 Dammam, Saudi Arabia - King Fahad International
Arrival: 15:00 Dhaka, Bangladesh - Zia International
Airline: Saudi Arabian Airlines SV802 e
Aircraft: Boeing 747SP
 
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:54 am



Quoting Eirik (Reply 6):
You´re shure ?
Trying to book a flight in August on wideroe.no this appears :

Dammam to Dhaka
Flight 1 Monday, August 31, 2009

Departure: 05:50 Dammam, Saudi Arabia - King Fahad International
Arrival: 15:00 Dhaka, Bangladesh - Zia International
Airline: Saudi Arabian Airlines SV802 e
Aircraft: Boeing 747SP

What a wonderful route!! If you choose to fly with SV, you will fly in a Boeing 747SP; but if you choose to fly with BG, you will fly in a McDonnell Dougles DC-10.

Amazing!!

Quoting Eirik (Reply 3):
HOW difficult is it to get a visa for people living in Europe ?

For Spaniards is very difficult to get one... If I'm not wrong, the ask for the passport without Israel entry stamp, a formal invitation from the Arab Comerce Department with the electronic stamp and register stariting with 700,... A craziness!!

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):

53.00 Euros flying in any Boeing 747-100, Boeing 747-300, McDonnell Douglas MD-90, Airbus A-300-600, Boeing 777-200 or Boeing 777-300 in "Y" class; 118.00 Euros in "C" class and 165.00 Euros in "F" class on the RUH-JED route.

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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:41 am

Quoting Eightball (Reply 5):
The SV 747-SP's used to fly on passenger flights in the past, but not anymore.

Flightstats, schedules and booking engines beg to differ!

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 7):
if you choose to fly with BG, you will fly in a McDonnell Dougles DC-10.

Or you fly DMM-DAC or JED-RUH-DAC and then fly domestically in Bangladesh on the D10, 313, F28. Yep, its D10 operate sectors like DAC-CGP before/after flying to DXB, etc. Or if you wanted, you could fly the D10 DOH-DXB-CGP-DAC (at least that was the routing BG was operating while I was in DOH earlier this year).

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 7):
53.00 Euros flying in any Boeing 747-100, Boeing 747-300, McDonnell Douglas MD-90, Airbus A-300-600, Boeing 777-200 or Boeing 777-300 in "Y" class; 118.00 Euros in "C" class and 165.00 Euros in "F" class on the RUH-JED route.

Great eh?! 



[Edited 2009-07-30 02:57:50]
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:03 pm

Quoting Eirik (Reply 6):
You´re shure ?
Trying to book a flight in August on wideroe.no this appears :

Dammam to Dhaka
Flight 1 Monday, August 31, 2009

Departure: 05:50 Dammam, Saudi Arabia - King Fahad International
Arrival: 15:00 Dhaka, Bangladesh - Zia International
Airline: Saudi Arabian Airlines SV802 e
Aircraft: Boeing 747SP



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
Flightstats, schedules and booking engines beg to differ!

That's odd. Maybe SV leased a 747-SP for passenger flights. I'll have to take a look at the SV passenger flight schedule.



[Edited 2009-07-30 07:13:16]
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:42 pm



Quoting Eightball (Reply 9):
That's odd. Maybe SV leased a 747-SP for passenger flights. I'll have to take a look at the SV passenger flight schedule.

Hey, here's an idea: as foreigners need to be visiting family/friends to gain a Saudi visa (or on an official tour), possibly you could be the friend we visit and thus we might be eligible for a tourist visa? I am not sure if it would be that suitable. In return, we could come up with some 'arrangement' between ourselves. Quid pro quo! You benefit, we benefit!

By the way, I too am a university student and I used to live in Cairo and have been to quite a few Middle Eastern countries.
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:09 pm

Cheapest 741 flight I ever did was a one-way ticket with Orient Thai airlines - HKT-BKK.

Cost me 2,300 Baht which at the time worked out at about £31. I tried to look at how much it would cost now but their website is playing up.

They still operate a 741 and some 742's but I should warn you that as of 2009 they are on the EU blacklist for saftey concerns.
 
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:46 pm



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 10):
possibly you could be the friend we visit

Good idea  Smile (?)

Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 11):
They still operate a 741 and some 742's

Probably not often on domestic (Thailand) flights anymore, ´think you gotta be ´lucky´ in the high season or something .. (?)
 
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:44 pm



Quoting Eirik (Reply 12):
Good idea (?)

Thinking outside the box. It's worth asking! And if Eightball was willing, we could make it worth his while.
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:09 pm

Forget the Saudia B747SP. Saudia tend to use their own internal codes for certain aircraft in their flight schedules. Where 74L refers to the B747SP generally, it actually refers to an Air Atlanta B747-300 for SV. This operates all their DAC flights:


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You will also find 77L & 77W in Saudia's schedules but all their B777s are -200ERs. It just refers to different configurations.

I must say it is pretty confusing when a carrier uses their own internal codes in public schedules - especially in Saudia's case when they specifically use codes that actually refer to different aircraft types!

Your only chance to get on a B747SP is with Iran Air. The shortest route would be PEK-NRT/NRT-PEK.
 
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:06 pm



Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 14):
I must say it is pretty confusing when a carrier uses their own internal codes in public schedules

Definitely!

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 14):
The shortest route would be PEK-NRT/NRT-PEK.

Very £££ though!
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:36 pm



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 10):
Hey, here's an idea: as foreigners need to be visiting family/friends to gain a Saudi visa (or on an official tour), possibly you could be the friend we visit and thus we might be eligible for a tourist visa? I am not sure if it would be that suitable. In return, we could come up with some 'arrangement' between ourselves. Quid pro quo! You benefit, we benefit!

Well dude, to be honest with you as far as I know that won't be possible with the current Saudi visa regulations.

As a Saudi citizen, I think that tourist visa regulations for Saudi Arabia should definitely be eased up. We have a long coast on the Red Sea which is full of scuba diving and snorkeling opportunities (I'm a certified PADI Advanced Open Water Diver myself), and the Asir region is also a beautiful place to visit. There is a whole lot of potential in this country for tourism.
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:45 pm



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
Quoting Eightball (Reply 5):
The SV 747-SP's used to fly on passenger flights in the past, but not anymore.

Flightstats, schedules and booking engines beg to differ!

I thought the only 747SPs in SV livery were now operating as part of the royal fleet, not in scheduled service. Has this changed? There was one parked in GVA on Monday and it definitely wasn't a scheduled flight.
 
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:17 pm



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 17):
I thought the only 747SPs in SV livery were now operating as part of the royal fleet, not in scheduled service. Has this changed?



Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 14):
Where 74L refers to the B747SP generally, it actually refers to an Air Atlanta B747-300 for SV. This operates all their DAC flights:

 
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:50 pm



Quoting Eightball (Reply 16):
Well dude, to be honest with you as far as I know that won't be possible with the current Saudi visa regulations.

Yeah, no worries.

Actually, I remembered that I have a business friend living and working in Jeddah who said that the firm he works for has sponsored family and friends to obtain a Saudi visa, and he said he would ask about it for me.

But I'm not yet 100% sure about when I can go, so it's on hold for now.
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:04 am

AFAIK, Saudi B747SP are used mainly by the King of SA and their govt? Probably the same applies for Yemenia B747SP.
Iran Air is using B747SP for flights to Tokyo, Beijing, Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta.

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
SV DMM-DAC one-way for £130 including taxes.

And a great way to try Biman DC-10 or F-28 and even A310.

Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 11):
Cheapest 741 flight I ever did was a one-way ticket with Orient Thai airlines - HKT-BKK.

Last time I saw Orient Thai at Bangkok, they were using B747-300 on their route to Hong Kong.
 
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:00 pm



Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):

Here are a few I found:

741:

SV 323 7 JED CAI 2 0030 0230 0 02AUG09 02AUG09 741 2:00

743:

SV 199 D JED CAI 2 0930 1130 0 26JUN09 30OCT09 743 2:00
SV 748 4 JED BOM 2 0040 0800 0 23JUL09 22OCT09 743 4:50
SV 744 6 JED BOM 2 0805 1700 1 18JUL09 24OCT09 743 6:25
SV 742 167 JED BOM 2305 0800+1 1 01AUG09 25OCT09 743 6:25
SV 740 35 JEDSV BOM 0755 1700 1 05AUG09 23OCT09 743 6:35
SV3830 2 JEDSV KUL 0410 1800 0 04AUG09 04AUG09 743 8:50
SV 832 2 JEDSV KUL 2310 1300+1 0 04AUG09 04AUG09 743 8:50

Hope this helps a bit.  Smile
 
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:21 pm



Quoting Eirik (Reply 12):
Probably not often on domestic (Thailand) flights anymore, ´think you gotta be ´lucky´ in the high season or something

Yes I think there was a big demand when I flew the route as it was the Thai new year period.

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 20):
Last time I saw Orient Thai at Bangkok, they were using B747-300 on their route to Hong Kong.

Yes thats correct. I think I was lucky to get a 741 on my trip as it was a busy period. Just to clarify I flew HKT-BKK not HKG-BKK as seeing you mentioned Hong Kong I thought perhaps you misread it.  Smile
 
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RE: Cheapest 74L And 741/3 Flights?

Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:49 pm



Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 14):
Your only chance to get on a B747SP is with Iran Air. The shortest route would be PEK-NRT/NRT-PEK.

First I hear of this, I'd love to fly that route.

Quoting Eightball (Reply 16):
As a Saudi citizen, I think that tourist visa regulations for Saudi Arabia should definitely be eased up. We have a long coast on the Red Sea which is full of scuba diving and snorkeling opportunities (I'm a certified PADI Advanced Open Water Diver myself), and the Asir region is also a beautiful place to visit. There is a whole lot of potential in this country for tourism.

I'd love to go.
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