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Phase-out Of MD-80's For AA

Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:52 pm

Hi all

I am booked on a couple of flights next March MCO - DFW - SFO, both showing MD-80's. But how regularly are they replaced by 737-800's?

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RE: Phase-out Of MD-80's For AA

Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:57 pm

Slow attrition. When a new 737-800 rolls off the line from Boeing, an MD-80 series is generally retired. This isn't ALWAYS the case, but it's the typical plan.
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RE: Phase-out Of MD-80's For AA

Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:13 am

Right. The short term plan is to replace the oldest MD-80's on a one to one basis as each new B737-800 is delivered, this is what is going to happen from now till the middle of 2011. By then American will be left with a fleet of 150 B737's and less than 200 MD-80's. I believe that the long term plan is to stop buying any more 737's once the last one on order is delivered, and wait till the next generation aircraft currently under study at Boeing, the 737RS, Y-1 or whatever it will be, to replace the remaining MD-80's and phase them all out by the early 2020's or so. By the time the last MD-80 is phased out, the retirement of the B737-800 will have begun.
Of course, everything I said can change, it will depend on how the economy will be doing in the coming years.

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RE: Phase-out Of MD-80's For AA

Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:15 am

You won't get a 738 on either of these flights unless AA decides to replace one of the S80 with an older, existing 738. The reason is that all of the new 738s are being but on flights to and from ORD.
 
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RE: Phase-out Of MD-80's For AA

Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:29 am



Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
ng MD-80's and phase them all out by the early 2020's

 stretch  really, early 2020s? wow they'll be relics
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RE: Phase-out Of MD-80's For AA

Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:35 am

The very newest MD-80s were delivered in 2000, so they'll be 20 years old in 2020, which IMO is an acceptable age.
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RE: Phase-out Of MD-80's For AA

Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:44 am



Quoting Alasdair1982 (Thread starter):
I am booked on a couple of flights next March MCO - DFW - SFO, both showing MD-80's. But how regularly are they replaced by 737-800's?

We're "over the hump" and have settled back down to 3/month average delivery rate until order is complete.

Quoting Crosswinds21 (Reply 3):
The reason is that all of the new 738s are being but on flights to and from ORD.

Anything is "possible" and AA has already substituted a "new" 738 for an "old" 738 on at least one LAX-DFW and one SNA-DFW flight. Mgmt is TRYING to keep the "new" birds "locked" into ORD flying, but it becomes more difficult with each new delivery. The PLAN was to keep the new birds in ORD thru the end of the year. Next year???...........  swirl 
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RE: Phase-out Of MD-80's For AA

Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:18 am



Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
I believe that the long term plan is to stop buying any more 737's once the last one on order is delivered, and wait till the next generation aircraft currently under study at Boeing, the 737RS, Y-1 or whatever it will be, to replace the remaining MD-80's and phase them all out by the early 2020's or so.

One of the reasons that AA held off on taking 738 deliveries over the past few years was the belief that Boeing was planning to introduce a new narrowbody aircraft in the next few years. Management thought that, between oil prices staying reasonable and Boeing looking to sell new planes sooner, rather than later, it could replace the MD-80s with aircraft that were of the generaton after the 737NG. Between oil prices going sky high and Boeing not having a new plane, supposedly, until after 2015, management decided it couldn't wait.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
The short term plan is to replace the oldest MD-80's on a one to one basis as each new B737-800 is delivered, this is what is going to happen from now till the middle of 2011.

Some of the ORD 738s have replaced 757s that have being moved down to MIA, becasue of the A300 retirement. A friend of mine moved up to 757/767 Captain last year out of ORD, but because of the reduction in 757 flying, he was reassigned to MIA this summer.
 
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RE: Phase-out Of MD-80's For AA

Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:28 am



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 4):
Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
ng MD-80's and phase them all out by the early 2020's

really, early 2020s? wow they'll be relics



they already are  Wink

Still , it will be sad day when eventually the last vestige of Douglas / McDonnell Douglas leaves AA , a fleet which over the years included the good ( DC-3), the bad ( DC-10) and the ugly ( MD-11)
 
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RE: Phase-out Of MD-80's For AA

Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:38 am



Quoting Brons2 (Reply 5):
The very newest MD-80s were delivered in 2000, so they'll be 20 years old in 2020, which IMO is an acceptable age.

While they may be under 10 years old the technology is already 29 years old. Whatever advancements were included in newer deliveries can't make them as efficient as newer aircraft. I can't believe they'll still be flying in 2020 or later.

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 7):
One of the reasons that AA held off on taking 738 deliveries over the past few years was the belief that Boeing was planning to introduce a new narrowbody aircraft in the next few years. Management thought that, between oil prices staying reasonable and Boeing looking to sell new planes sooner, rather than later, it could replace the MD-80s with aircraft that were of the generaton after the 737NG. Between oil prices going sky high and Boeing not having a new plane, supposedly, until after 2015, management decided it couldn't wait.

With that decision AA is again behind the eight ball on fleet modernization. Delaying 738s made the MD80 stay around way too long, and buying 738s so late in the game will mean when new aircraft come out AA will be flying the newest older technology aircraft again.
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RE: Phase-out Of MD-80's For AA

Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:44 am



Quoting Brons2 (Reply 5):
The very newest MD-80s were delivered in 2000


are you quite sure about that ? I always thought the last MD-80 ever built was delivered in the late 90s ?
 
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RE: Phase-out Of MD-80's For AA

Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:55 am



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 10):
are you quite sure about that ? I always thought the last MD-80 ever built was delivered in the late 90s ?

I am. TW was still taking MD-8x deliveries in 2000. AA still has those airplanes but have sold most everything else.

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RE: Phase-out Of MD-80's For AA

Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:09 am



Quoting 727forever (Reply 11):
I am. TW was still taking MD-8x deliveries in 2000. AA still has those airplanes but have sold most everything else.

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RE: Phase-out Of MD-80's For AA

Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:19 am



Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 9):
Quoting Brons2 (Reply 5):
The very newest MD-80s were delivered in 2000, so they'll be 20 years old in 2020, which IMO is an acceptable age.

While they may be under 10 years old the technology is already 29 years old. Whatever advancements were included in newer deliveries can't make them as efficient as newer aircraft. I can't believe they'll still be flying in 2020 or later.

If the price of oil start shooting up again, those JT8D-200s will be seriously expensive engines to run, maybe they should have gone ahead with that re-engining idea?
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RE: Phase-out Of MD-80's For AA

Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:26 pm



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 8):

Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 4):
Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
ng MD-80's and phase them all out by the early 2020's

really, early 2020s? wow they'll be relics



they already are Wink

So are Northwest (now Delta) DC-9's.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 8):
Still , it will be sad day when eventually the last vestige of Douglas / McDonnell Douglas leaves AA , a fleet which over the years included the good ( DC-3), the bad ( DC-10) and the ugly ( MD-11)

I agree. That's why from now on whenever I fly American domestic, I will always try to get to fly on a Super 80, I like to take flights on those. All other aircraft in the fleet at AA are now just pure Boeing products. I would always choose a Super 80 over a 737 or a 757.

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