Luftfahrer
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Oneway/Round Trip Fares - What's The Deal?

Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:38 pm

Hi everyone, out of curiosity I searched for flights from STR to ATL on a specific date (here: 29th of January, 2010). DL flies this route nonstop -- I selected Y class.
I was puzzled by the fares coming up:

Oneway

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2515/3987274732_cdfa8a0697_o.jpg

Round trip

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2493/3987274804_472fb0c2cb_o.jpg

As you can see, there is a difference of 2415,31€. Isn't that insane? Why does it cost so much more to fly oneway? Mind you, I chose the exact same day for departure, return flight two weeks later.
Business class fare for OW/RT was almost identical!
Looking forward to hearing some explanations...

edit: For clarification: I selected non-refundable for both flights.

[Edited 2009-10-06 06:56:46]
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RE: Oneway/Round Trip Fares - What's The Deal?

Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:48 pm

Traditional airlines (aka. Legacy carriers) pricing rules:
"Anybody who intends to book a oneway flight must be a traveller for Business, so we can milk him / her."
In contrast to that "Anybody who can book for specific dates so-and-so many months in advance must be travelling for leisure. If we (the airline) do not sell him/her a ticket at a fare on that both sides can agree (= the airline charging a fare at which it still makes a profit - a fairly small one, but one that is for sure AND the traveller willing to pay this price/fare), we might not see the seat at all.

In the end it is all about demand & supply aka. Yield Management.
Start filling your aircraft early to a suitable degree that will give you a good basis to make the flight profitable in the end. It will not break even with only these pax, but any pax booking later - and especially those booking on short notice, which indeed usually are business travellers - in combination should be able to make the flight profitable.

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RE: Oneway/Round Trip Fares - What's The Deal?

Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:50 pm

Domestically, ever since the rise of the LCC's, the fares are consistent, a one way is almost always 1/2 the price of a round trip. Legacies had to do this because if they didn't, they'd lose so much business to the LCC's.

But international, where LCC's aren't relevant, airlines can jack up the price on one ways, because there's no competition.
 
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RE: Oneway/Round Trip Fares - What's The Deal?

Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:48 pm

Hi and thanks for the explications.

I can just hardly imagine that somebody in his right mind would pay nearly 3000€ ($4400) for an Economy class ticket. But if airlines can fill their cabins like that...
If I was to fly oneway and were given such an extortionate fare, I'd buy the roundtrip and then not show up for the return flight.
My plan behind the whole thing was to book the outbound flight in Eco, inbound in Business assuming to be able to divide each fare in halves.    That would have cost ~225€+~1400€=1625€ roughly... but it looks like I can pretty much trash these plans.   

Quoting PWMRamper (Reply 2):

That makes perfect sense.

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RE: Oneway/Round Trip Fares - What's The Deal?

Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:52 pm

If you try toget a one-way ut of DUB it´s a different story !

Just check (or try to book a one-way DUB-NYC/ATL and you´ll be surprised !!!

So, maybe you´ll throw in a "feeder-flight" to DUB on an LCC ...
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RE: Oneway/Round Trip Fares - What's The Deal?

Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:17 pm



Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 3):
If I was to fly oneway and were given such an extortionate fare, I'd buy the roundtrip and then not show up for the return flight.

This would be legal ...  Smile

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 3):
My plan behind the whole thing was to book the outbound flight in Eco, inbound in Business assuming to be able to divide each fare in halves. That would have cost ~225€+~1400€=1625€ roughly... but it looks like I can pretty much trash these plans.

Still try to look into a return-ticket.
If the airline does not offer you to fly Eco in one direction and Business the other way online, give the airline a call. They should be able to accomodate your wish.
One airline that offers such combinations online would be LX.
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RE: Oneway/Round Trip Fares - What's The Deal?

Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:13 pm



Quoting MHG (Reply 4):

I tried that and it is correct indeed, however only for Economy class tickets, but not for Business.

Quoting HT (Reply 5):

Thanks for the suggestion, will try to contact them and see what fares they give me. As I plan to travel in August (i.e. peak time), flight prices won't probably be that cheap...
LX does not serve the regional airport in the US I need to fly to.
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RE: Oneway/Round Trip Fares - What's The Deal?

Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:07 am

[quote=Luftfahrer,reply=6]LX does not serve the regional airport in the US I need to fly to.[/quote}
LX's choice of destinations indeed in limited; I was giving this airline's website only as an example to see what is possible.

Example:
Recently, AB changed my oneway itinerary flying AGP-PMI-HAJ in mid-November from a departure around noon to a departure at 6pm (arriving HAJ roughly at 11 pm, which is too late for my elderly parents). The tickets were cancelled & refunded upon my request.

I now booked with LX flying AGP-ZRH-HAJ in (discounted) Business Class supplemented by a HAJ-ZRH leg in Eco a few weeks later for which we (very likely) will not show up.
The overall fare AGP-ZRH-HAJ-ZRH (excluding the 100€ Business Class sell-up) almost matches what we were paying on AB oneway.
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Which airport are you heading to ?
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RE: Oneway/Round Trip Fares - What's The Deal?

Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:12 am



Quoting HT (Reply 7):

Excellent deal.

Quoting HT (Reply 7):
Which airport are you heading to ?

CRW - Charleston, West Virginia. Neither Swiss nor LH codeshare to there (i.e. cannot be booked through their homepages), only possible through 3rd party website (like Opodo) in case somebody is keen on flying them...
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RE: Oneway/Round Trip Fares - What's The Deal?

Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:24 am



Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 8):
CRW - Charleston, West Virginia.

Options into that airport are limited - and the potential airline's websites seem to be very restrictive when it comes to selecting fare classes ...  Sad

If you wouldn't mind using 2 seperate ticktes (#1 TATL, #2 intra-US)::
AB has a oneway-tarriff structure (DUS - JFK) allowing to combine Eco and Business on the two legs, but is (not yet ?) bookable for August 2010.
The same would be valid for DE, but the airports they serve in the U.S. are located wven worse.

What about "Open skies" from ORY ? I know, difficult to get to from STR ...
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RE: Oneway/Round Trip Fares - What's The Deal?

Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:54 pm



Quoting HT (Reply 9):

Thanks for your efforts!

I have thought about buying two seperate tickets but I'd like to know before if I would have to recheck my baggage then.
Anyway, flying Business is absolutely not mandatory for me... so I will just stick with Economy, probably even LH this time.

Quoting HT (Reply 9):
What about "Open skies" from ORY ? I know, difficult to get to from STR ...

They fly to JFK, right? I would have to connect there to CVG or ATL and then on to CRW which is hardly practicable. MQ flies LGA-CRW, but then getting through NYC at peak time, checking in once again is also more of an adventure  Smile
ORY is, as you said, also hard to reach from STR since there is no direct flight anymore. I believe dba used to fly this route some time ago.
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