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Would You Have The Courage To Fly A First Flight?

Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:11 pm

Dear a.netters, this is my first topic. After seeing the great first flight of the 787, I got curious: How many of you would agree to be there, inside that plane, for that first flight? My question has nothing to do with any issue with the 787, so you might just think of the first flight of the A380 or the soon to come first flight of the new 747. Really, would you feel like being there for the first flight? Think a little bit... yesterday, weather was not ideal, and you, inside that plane, taking off for the first time. How would you feel? Any fear at all or just plain fun?
 
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RE: Would You Have The Courage To Fly A First Flig

Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:14 pm

I would feel honored! Simply put..
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RE: Would You Have The Courage To Fly A First Flig

Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:17 pm



Quoting CAL764 (Reply 1):
I would feel honored! Simply put..

Indeed, I don't believe anything has ever happened during a first flight. And if so, it's been a while. It would be a huge honour and thrill to be on the first flight of 787/748/a350 for example.
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RE: Would You Have The Courage To Fly A First Flig

Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:45 pm



Quoting Kappel (Reply 2):
Indeed, I don't believe anything has ever happened during a first flight. And if so, it's been a while. It would be a huge honour and thrill to be on the first flight of 787/748/a350 for example.

Was the Air France A-320 crash a first flight?
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RE: Would You Have The Courage To Fly A First Flig

Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:47 pm

I believe the A380 pilots had parachutes for the first flight. Was that the case for the 787 as well?
 
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RE: Would You Have The Courage To Fly A First Flig

Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:50 pm



Quoting Cmk10 (Reply 3):
Was the Air France A-320 crash a first flight?

No, not at all. It was an airshow demo, and crashed due to pilot error rather than an issue with the aircraft.
 
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RE: Would You Have The Courage To Fly A First Flig

Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:52 pm



Quoting CAL764 (Reply 1):
I would feel honored! Simply put..

Ditto. I haven't (yet) been on a first flight, but boy do I want to!

But several of our chief engineers love to fly. So at this point it is a question which one of them fly. (Recall minimum crews for first flight.)

Quoting Cmk10 (Reply 3):
Was the Air France A-320 crash a first flight?

No. That was in commercial service.  Sad It added a new test point for all fly by wire aircraft.

Disclaimer: I do not work for Boeing and have nothing to do with 787 flight testing. But I would LOVE to be on a first flight!

Also, first flights are pretty safe. Much riskier stuff is done on later flights.

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RE: Would You Have The Courage To Fly A First Flig

Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:34 pm

In today's world, I would have no problems flying on any first flight. Possible risks have been greatly reduced due to advancements in technology. Think of all simulations being done prior to the first flight.

First flight 40-50 years ago might be a different story though.
 
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RE: Would You Have The Courage To Fly A First Flig

Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:28 pm



Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 4):

Why?...  confused 
 
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RE: Would You Have The Courage To Fly A First Flig

Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:33 pm



Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 4):
I believe the A380 pilots had parachutes for the first flight. Was that the case for the 787 as well?

Yes, both pilots had emergency parachutes. There was also explosive charges to blow out some of the windows to depressurize the plane quickly and another charge to blow out the door behind the wing so they could bail out if need be.
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RE: Would You Have The Courage To Fly A First Flig

Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:58 am

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 9):

Really? These measures were in place for the 787 as well? That´s very interesting, thank you for the insight.

[Edited 2009-12-17 03:59:26 by famfflores]
 
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RE: Would You Have The Courage To Fly A First Flig

Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:32 pm

Not a first flight per se, but I recall (barely - I was in uni then) being willing to volunteer to be aboard STS-26 if no one else wanted to go.
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RE: Would You Have The Courage To Fly A First Flig

Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:20 am



Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 9):
Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 4):
I believe the A380 pilots had parachutes for the first flight. Was that the case for the 787 as well?

Yes, both pilots had emergency parachutes. There was also explosive charges to blow out some of the windows to depressurize the plane quickly and another charge to blow out the door behind the wing so they could bail out if need be.



Quoting Famfflores (Reply 10):
Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 9):


Really? These measures were in place for the 787 as well? That´s very interesting, thank you for the insight.

Mentioned in the following SEA newspaper article prior to the first flight.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...space/2010509548_787profile15.html

Excerpt:

On the 787's first flight today, Boeing must plan for every possibility.

The jet will have a standby radio phone, and Carriker and co-pilot Randy Neville will carry six handheld radios. They'll also have two parachutes. In the worst-case scenario, they can flip a switch behind them that will blow out eight windows to depressurize the airplane. Another switch will detonate a charge to blow off an exit door behind the right wing. Then they can jump. Unlikely, yes. But Carriker doesn't dismiss the unknowns he faces.

"We have a plastic airplane. ... It's the first time anybody in the industry has taken a large composite wing with a composite spar and gone whipping out," he said. "Obviously, we think we're OK, otherwise we wouldn't go fly. But the proof is still in the pudding."
 
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RE: Would You Have The Courage To Fly A First Flig

Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:21 am

Absolutely. I hope to be able to fly on QF's first 787 commercial flight.
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RE: Would You Have The Courage To Fly A First Flig

Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:47 pm

I wouldnt have worries flying on a major airliner's maiden flight. A small homebuilt plane would be another matter.

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