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What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:58 am

What airliners makes the best and the worst freighters?

I here is guess.


Best

747
MD11
DC10
727

Worst

A340
L1011

Am I wrong?
 
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:33 am

My vote for best freighters are:

747 for obvious reasons
MD11/DC10 for the capability of hauling AMJ's
DC8-73 for more nooks and crannies to shove cargo than a Firefly class transport
ATR-72 (containerized) for slow, yet cheap containerized hauling.

But the number one spot is reserved for:

The Cessna Caravan for its ability to move stuff, well, anywhere.
 
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:45 am

Wasn't the MD-11 a great Freighter.
The B752 is doing well as a Freighter these days.

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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:14 am



Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
Worst

A340
L1011

I don't know the answer, but my roommate flew L-1011's for a few different Asian companies so they must've been at least okay. Now he flies 747 Classics but about to transition to the 777.
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:16 pm

Define best and worst and then we can talk.
 
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:15 pm



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 4):
Define:



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 4):
best

One that works.

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 4):
and worst

One that doesn't.

Beyond that, we're comparing apples to snow shovels.
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:37 pm



Quoting MrChips (Reply 5):


Quoting PGNCS (Reply 4):
Define:



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 4):
best

One that works.

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 4):
and worst

One that doesn't.

Beyond that, we're comparing apples to snow shovels.

They all work, or they wouldn't have been built or flown. It is impossible to discuss what makes any aircraft "best" or "worst" unless you first define what you want it to do.
 
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:42 am



Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
Worst

A340
L1011

Am I wrong?

BTW there is no freighter version of the A340.
 
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:59 am

Worst freighter? Passenger airplane.

And I am not talking about cargo transferred downstairs. There have been times when cargo was flown in passenger cabin. I know of at least one such aircraft that went down.
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:38 am

Depends on what you want to use it for. For hauling 1000 lbs 400 nm, the Caravan is a great plane. For hauling 230,000 4000 nm, the 747-400 is a little better. I think the 777 is going to replace the 747 and be a great freighter.
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:29 am



Quoting Fabo (Reply 8):
Worst freighter?

The one I have to work on when it is -20F.  Big grin  duck  That is what I loved about the 727 most nights it flew in, and it flew out.
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:34 am



Quoting Lowrider (Reply 9):
the Caravan is a great plane.

Any details on its IFSD rate,considering Single engined,also whats the regulation regarding night flying on this type.

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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:45 am



Quoting Lowrider (Reply 9):
I think the 777 is going to replace the 747 and be a great freighter.

And replace the MD-11F  Sad


I think at the end of the day it boils down to versatility. IMO the best all around (versatile) commercial freighter is the 747 as it was purposely designed with that intent. Huge volume plus through the nose access for outsize pieces. But I agree that the 777 will replace the 747 for the high volume freight market and for outsize cargo the AN-124 will capture that niche.
 
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:06 am

How about best fuel efficiency. Then 748F is definitely the best.

The worst fuel efficiency is going to be a Falcon 20 freighter, which can hardly carry anything but does burn a good bit of fuel.

But you know what, any freighter that can earn its keep is a good freighter. Any freighter that can fly and make money, is a "bad" one.

In the military however, things are different. Then, winning wars defines good or bad and cost does not.
 
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:42 am

And of all time..................the DC3
 
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:03 am

The Beaver, Otter and Twin Otter.
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:12 pm



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 11):
Any details on its IFSD rate,considering Single engined,also whats the regulation regarding night flying on this type.

Pretty low. I don't know exactly what it is, but it used a P&W PT6A, which is known for its reliability. The rate for the PT6A series overall is approximately .004/1000 hours. I think most Caravan losses are due to icing, which is the aircraft's weakest area. In the US, it has no restriction on night flying for private or commercial use.
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:15 pm



Quoting TF39 (Reply 12):
777 will replace the 747 for the high volume freight market

The only place I think the 777 can't replace the 747 is for the heavy payload applications, and we have the 747-8 to look forward to there. Not sure if the new -8 will have a nose door, but I imagine Boeing will offer it if demand is sufficient.
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:31 pm



Quoting Lowrider (Reply 17):
Not sure if the new -8 will have a nose door

The link below shows the 747-8F on the way to the paint hangar. You can see the divide line for the nose cargo door.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/library/7478rollout.jpg
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:42 pm



Quoting Flighty (Reply 13):
The worst fuel efficiency is going to be a Falcon 20 freighter, which can hardly carry anything but does burn a good bit of fuel.

Hey! They can carry 6000#'s of freight and I think I figured the MPG to be close to a semi truck lol. It's not about bulking them out anyways, we just need to be able to fit whatever needs to be flown and get it there fast. We get paid the same amount whether it's 1 pound or 6000 and the key is also not to fly trips you would lose money on.
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:08 pm

I'd suggest the Tu-144 as the 'worst' - a supersonic jet which ended it's brief commercial days flying mail around the Soviet Union. The Yak 42D wasn't a great success either - only one was tried out in cargo configuration and it didn't work, so it went back to passenger operation and I was lucky enough to fly on it after this brief forray as a frieghter. Likewise the single BAC-111 freighter didn't really work out, as there were plenty more which could have been converted if it had.

Conversely I'd suggest the 'best' would include types like the DC-3, DC-8, An-12, An-124/225, Il-76, B747 etc... which haven't just been good at carrying cargo, but have significantly changed the size, shape and way in which it was moved - I mean who'd have thought it would be possible to fly a 120 tonne locomotive before the An-124 came along?


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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:26 am

Talking about freighters, does anyone know whatever happened to www.freightersonline.com? I loved that site...
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:37 am



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 20):
The Yak 42D wasn't a great success either - only one was tried out in cargo configuration and it didn't work, so it went back to passenger operation and I was lucky enough to fly on it after this brief forray as a frieghter.

Wasn't that also the plane that annihilated your back as well? I remember you mentioning it.

Best freighter = One that burns the least fuel over the longest distance with the highest payload.
 
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:06 am

The Elleteneleven was, and still is, a great freighter, but not nearly as good as a MD-11F.

The best long-range wide-body freighter at the moment is probably the 777F, doing 90% of what a 747-400F will do, but flying further and doing so at only 60% of the cost. Does all you could ever ask of a freighter except loading the very longest of pieces.

For a medium-range wide-body, you'd be hard pressed to find anything beating the A300-600F - and that includes the 767.

For medium-range narrow-body missions, the B757SF ticks all the right boxes. The Tu-204F is also quite good, but not as good as the 75.

For a turboprop job, you'd have to look east and pick an An-26. They just go and go and go, accepting even brutal punishment without missing a beat.

Above all, however, are the An-124s and the sole -225.

Much harder to pick the worst one, discounting the Tu-144 which wasn't a real freighter anyway. But the BAe ATP is pretty crap. The Belslow is hardly a stellar performer either, and come to think of it the BAe-146 leaves quite a lot to be desired as well. Anyone spotted the common trend here?
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:37 am



Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 22):

Wasn't that also the plane that annihilated your back as well? I remember you mentioning it.

That was the smaller Yak-40, surprisingly also available in a cargo version, which I can't imagine is very efficient either due to it's tiny size, although it does have good STOL performance.
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:27 pm



Quote:
I mean who'd have thought it would be possible to fly a 120 tonne locomotive before the An-124 came along?

Really? Was that actually done?
 
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:54 am



Quoting Rolypolyman (Reply 25):
Really? Was that actually done?

Yes indeed, although I did mistake the weight - it was 148 tonnes, not 120.



The An-124 quite often flies this type of freight around, and other large and heavy items like generators and turbines etc...


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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:57 am



Quoting B777LRF (Reply 23):
The best long-range wide-body freighter at the moment is probably the 777F, doing 90% of what a 747-400F will do,

Hmm,... true and not true. Many airlines dislike the contour of the B777F. It's not possible to transfer full-sized B747F pallets into B777F. The rebuilding of cargo might be neccesary.
Also accessability of cargo once on board the B777 is difficult. There is hardly space to walk around on the maindeck, and that might give problems if you transport live stock or have to check specific cargo. Also in case of fire and dangerous goods, flightcrew usually needs to get good access to e.g. Flammable liquids and get them away from the fire (if the situation permits of course)...

It is probably the best longhaul freighter at this time, but it will not beat a B747-400F/ERF so far in my opinion.
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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:22 pm



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 26):

Yes indeed, although I did mistake the weight - it was 148 tonnes, not 120.

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RE: What Are The Best And Worst Freighter

Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:28 am



Quoting Lowrider (Reply 16):
I think most Caravan losses are due to icing, which is the aircraft's weakest area

Interesting...Seems reliable for a single Engined craft.
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