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AMS-LED, Taking The Scenic Route.

Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:57 pm

Hey guys, a dear friend of mine is moving to St Petersburg for a couple of months and invited me over to visit him anytime. Now I'm gonna be busy with work for the upcoming months but I'll probably manage to get 3/4 days off and pay him a visit.

Now, there are plenty of flights on AMS-LED, but its all Boeing or Airbus. I want to fly a Russian plane. (preferably TY-134/154)

I'll be traveling on a Dutch passport and can probably get a Russian tourist visa. Can anyone advise me on a possible route to go there? I know Aeroflot used to operate plenty of Russian metal on SVO-LED but from what I understand of their website its mostly Airbus now.

Thanks, Martijn
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RE: AMS-LED, Taking The Scenic Route.

Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:18 pm



Quoting CrimsonNL (Thread starter):
Now, there are plenty of flights on AMS-LED, but its all Boeing or Airbus. I want to fly a Russian plane. (preferably TY-134/154)

I'll be traveling on a Dutch passport and can probably get a Russian tourist visa. Can anyone advise me on a possible route to go there? I know Aeroflot used to operate plenty of Russian metal on SVO-LED but from what I understand of their website its mostly Airbus now.

Aeroflot is all Boeing and Airbus now, until the SSJ arrives later this year. UTAir fly the Tu-134 on MOW-LED as far as I know, so this would be an option.

If money isn't too much of an issue, fly into another Russian/Ukrainian etc... airport, take a local airline with a Tu-154/134 to MOW, and then carry on with the Tu-134 to LED, although you also have the option of flying the new An-148 on LED-MOW too, it's just in service a few weeks ago.


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RE: AMS-LED, Taking The Scenic Route.

Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:22 pm

I say get yourself to Moscow and then find one of the multitude of airlines that fly between Russia's two biggest cities that offers a Russian aircraft, there have to be some. Basically, I agree with PlymSpotter.
 
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RE: AMS-LED, Taking The Scenic Route.

Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:30 pm



Quoting CrimsonNL (Thread starter):
Can anyone advise me on a possible route to go there?

Until last year your chances had been to fly from/via HAJ but no Tu-154 scheduled anymore AFAIK..

There often are reports that interesting aircraft are being used on flights from Russia to AYT. Might this be an option ?
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RE: AMS-LED, Taking The Scenic Route.

Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:35 pm



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
UTAir fly the Tu-134 on MOW-LED as far as I know, so this would be an option.

2 daily flights between LED and VKO, operated by TU-154.

Gazpromavia operates a Yak-42 a few times per week on VKO-LED-VKO in the evening.
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RE: AMS-LED, Taking The Scenic Route.

Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:48 am

Thanks guys, unfortunately AMS-VKO is way overpriced. It even takes me via LED... SVO is affordable though but not much goodies on SVO-LED except maybe the new An-148.
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RE: AMS-LED, Taking The Scenic Route.

Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:24 am

Hi Martijn,

I found the following combination. Way more expensive than the non-stop service.

BT 618 AMS RIX 735
BT 428 RIX KGD F50

UT 390 KGD VKO 735
UT 489 VKO LED T154

UT 490 LED VKO T154
UT 389 VKO KGD 735

BT 429 KGD RIX F50
BT 617 RIX AMS 735

Total price is 662 euro. You will also have to stay in a hotel for 2 nights.

It will be cheaper if you find some local transport between DME and VKO.

AMS-DME on OS is only 170 euro. VKO-LED is 95 euro. Again you will need a hotel for two nights.

Good luck with your choice, I think the above mentioned UT and OS flights are the cheapest option.

You may also consider Germanwings into VKO. These flight leave from CGN witch is reachable by train, STN and HAJ.

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RE: AMS-LED, Taking The Scenic Route.

Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:59 pm

- SU does not operate scheduled services with Russian metal.
- FV operates on some of the LED-SVO & LED-DME runs the AN-148 (only 1 is flying at the moment at them, the 2nd arrived at LED but did not enter revenue service afaik)

UTair and Gazpromavia operate scheduled services on TU-134/154 and Yak-42 to VKO. Other options are pretty limited on LED-MOW in case of Russian aircraft.

If you really want to fly a Russian plane you'd better fly straight to LED. And take from LED a day-trip to MOW, with for example:
UT-490 LED-VKO 7:30-8:35 TU-154
UT-489 VKO-LED 9:15-10:30 TU-154

Price shall be approximately 100 euro for a retour fare.

From VKO there a few options to get into the center. I think that's your best option to fly some Russian plane and at the same time have a look in MOW, which can quite easy be done in 1 day compared to LED  Wink

Mind you to apply in time for a Russian visa.
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RE: AMS-LED, Taking The Scenic Route.

Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:05 pm



Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 5):
Thanks guys, unfortunately AMS-VKO is way overpriced.

Why would you be looking at flying into VKO from Europe? Unless you are taking Germanwings, everything is going to be wayyy overpriced. Even if you fly into SVO or DME, VKO is accessible by train. So if you really want to fly on Russian metal, then just take a train hop from Moscow city centre onto VKO.

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RE: AMS-LED, Taking The Scenic Route.

Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:12 pm

Thanks for the replies all, I must say the daytrip idea never came to my mind! All is still in the planning phase so nothing is certain yet. Thanks for your help!
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RE: AMS-LED, Taking The Scenic Route.

Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:27 pm

Hi Martijn,

for your info, Gazpromavia flies a Yak-42 between VKO and LED too. Flights on Thursday and Sundays.

4G924 1940 2110 ......7 LEDVKO 1 CY YK2 0
4G924 2230 2355 ....5.. LEDVKO 1 CY YK2 0

4G923 1720 1840 ......7 VKOLED D CY YK2 0
4G923 2015 2120 ....5.. VKOLED D CY YK2 0

If you are planning a daytrip to somewhere, you better fly to not a Moscow airport, but other places. Yakutia operates TU5 to OVB/Novosibirsk, UT Air TU3 to SGC/Surgut, to mention just a few. Or take a T20 to KHV/Khabarovsk or VVO/Vladivostok, in the Fareast. It's a long nonstop flight on this rather new Tupolev. Flight is by Vladivostok Air.
Still quite some more opportunities of course...

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RE: AMS-LED, Taking The Scenic Route.

Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:59 am

Just a note, if you decide to go for a daytrip from LED to another city (especially other than MOW), make sure that you have enough turnaround time to get on the return flight. That UT490 flight e.g. is too tight I guess.

I booked an Il-86 return flight ex-VKO with 2h on the ground in AER last year, thinking this was enough to check me back in for the return flight to VKO. I almost got stuck in the airport because some dodgy policeman wanted to earn some extra money after he saw that I was a foreigner  irked  I barely made it back to the check-in on time, so I wouldn't recommend to do that unless you have an overnight stay, but that won't work in your 3-4 day trip.

In general I wouldn't be too worried about the Tu3/5, they will still be around for another 1-2 years for sure, the -154 even longer. I am after some other planes in this area as well, but this time I will make sure I have enough spare time for all these unplanned 'eventualities' that might happen to you over there.

Other than that I can say that the airport transfer between SVO/VKO/DME is quite smooth by train. For me it worked fine.

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RE: AMS-LED, Taking The Scenic Route.

Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:03 pm



Quoting Loran (Reply 11):
Just a note, if you decide to go for a daytrip from LED to another city (especially other than MOW), make sure that you have enough turnaround time to get on the return flight. That UT490 flight e.g. is too tight I guess.

The UT489 flight is PM, so actually i should have written 21:15-22:30 (my bad, i'm sorry), which gives you 12:30 hours in moscow, even enough to do some sightseeing in the centr.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 10):
If you are planning a daytrip to somewhere, you better fly to not a Moscow airport, but other places. Yakutia operates TU5 to OVB/Novosibirsk, UT Air TU3 to SGC/Surgut, to mention just a few. Or take a T20 to KHV/Khabarovsk or VVO/Vladivostok, in the Fareast. It's a long nonstop flight on this rather new Tupolev. Flight is by Vladivostok Air.

SGC is operated only once daily, so a day trip wouldn't be possible unless you stay in a hotel for a night.

Yakutia also does not operate daily, only once weekly (on 5), and i'm not really sure if you want to go the whole way to VVO or KHV for one day which is actually impossible.
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RE: AMS-LED, Taking The Scenic Route.

Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:00 pm

@ Severnaya; true regarding your info about these schedules. But I know Martijn is a good planner and might be able to work with it, buying one-ways and fly triangle flights in a day, e.g. LED-SGC-MOW-LED (just an example). This might give him an opportunity to get various Russian metal, different airlines, and interesting airports.
Also a longhaul to KHV/VVO seems ok to me, sleeping on board, and after arrival on return to the West, maybe via stops in between, e.g. via IKT/KJA/OVB/ABA. I would love to do such thing some day...
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RE: AMS-LED, Taking The Scenic Route.

Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:48 pm



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 13):
@ Severnaya; true regarding your info about these schedules. But I know Martijn is a good planner and might be able to work with it, buying one-ways and fly triangle flights in a day, e.g. LED-SGC-MOW-LED (just an example). This might give him an opportunity to get various Russian metal, different airlines, and interesting airports.

 Smile Yeah that way it could become very succesful.

I just wanted to note those things as he indicated that he's there to visit a friend, so i thought perhaps those 'tricky' flights are a bit too much to be asked. But indeed:

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 13):
Also a longhaul to KHV/VVO seems ok to me, sleeping on board, and after arrival on return to the West, maybe via stops in between, e.g. via IKT/KJA/OVB/ABA.

that certainly is possible  Smile
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RE: AMS-LED, Taking The Scenic Route.

Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:36 pm

I must say I'm a little afraid of booking triangle flights. I mean I have more then one experience with this but not to a distant Russian city! I speak no Russian so I wouldn't know what to do if I miss my connection.

However the LED-VKO-LED Utair/Gazprom option is VERY exciting. I sure hope I can get the days off! Once again thanks for the advice!

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