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Questions About Flying Classic Aircraft In 2010

Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:26 pm

Dear all,

I was hoping to find some advice from you about some aircraft & airlines I came across recently, and I was wondering if anyone knows what their status is, and if an outlook towards their availability in 2010 can be made.

1) To start with the Il-62, these three pictures were of interest:


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I was surprised that this one was still active   
If anyone has an insight into the Amadeus schedules, are there still any CU Il-62 flights scheduled in 2010 (most likely HAV to CCS)?


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Here, I don't fully understand the photographers remark, was this aircraft delivered before the suspension of services, or is there a re-start of Aria Air in sight?   


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The Il-62 in the background was in storage for over two years at DME I think, but it looks like there may be some activity going on. Does anyone know who Alpha Air is and what services they offer? Other than these three, I think Air Koryo is the only active operator, but equivalently hard to get on since the Tu-204 is in service.



2) Regarding the 707, the latest I knew was that Saha Air was grounded throughout the second half of 2009, but these photos seem to indicate the opposite (check the remarks & dates):

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Does the following photo indicate the end of the Saha Air 707 operations?

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Therefore, does anyone know, what the status of Saha Air is? Are they back in regular service yet? An outlook for 2010 is probably hard to make, since things keep changing quickly over there.



3) Also, I am still observing the developments of the RAF L-1011 flights to Ascension & Falkland Islands. I posted a thread a few weeks back asking whether the L-1011 will resume this service at some stage, and it was stated that Flyglobespan will be operating these flights for another year at least. Now, after Flyglobespan went bust, what is the outlook for this service? Will there be a new contract awarded to a charter carrier, or maybe the RAF L-1011s will return? If anyone is interested what this service is about, here is the link with some info:

Tristar Service To Ascension / Falkland Islands (by Loran Dec 5 2009 in Civil Aviation)



4) And as the last for all similar minded users, I found this great tool in another topic in Civil Aviation about collecting timetables. It contains the up-to-date route maps of 650 airlines worldwide and allows you to filter particular aircraft types to display their scheduled routes in 2009/10. Great tool and I can spend hours looking for rare aircraft worldwide. I thought you may like this, too  

http://arm.64hosts.com/

Any help, advice and comments about the above aircraft & airlines is highly appreciated.

Regards,
Loran

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Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
3) Also, I am still observing the developments of the RAF L-1011 flights to Ascension & Falkland Islands. I posted a thread a few weeks back asking whether the L-1011 will resume this service at some stage, and it was stated that Flyglobespan will be operating these flights for another year at least. Now, after Flyglobespan went bust, what is the outlook for this service? Will there be a new contract awarded to a charter carrier, or maybe the RAF L-1011s will return? If anyone is interested what this service is about, here is the link with some info:

From reports I have read, the L1011 will only resume Ascension & Falklands flying if Britain pulls out of the Middle East, which simply isn't going to happen.

In the wake of the Globespan collapse, an urgent search for capacity was undertaken by the MoD for at least a short term solution to the problem, with carriers from all over the World being contacted.

Due to the bizarre schedules that these flights operate to, many airlines cannot withdraw aircraft from their operational fleets and commit to a flight that does not operate on a weekly basis. Thus, the MoD were left looking for an airline that had a spare aircraft parked up somewhere. Hence, the flights were (or are) being operated by an Air Tahiti Nui A340-300.

I gather the contract will be going to tender shortly, and there will be the opportunity for various airlines around the world to stake their claim for these lucrative flights. However, as Globespan will testify to. No matter how lucrative these flights are, they can't always keep you affloat.
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Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:11 am



Quoting 02hilliert (Reply 1):
Due to the bizarre schedules that these flights operate to, many airlines cannot withdraw aircraft from their operational fleets and commit to a flight that does not operate on a weekly basis. Thus, the MoD were left looking for an airline that had a spare aircraft parked up somewhere. Hence, the flights were (or are) being operated by an Air Tahiti Nui A340-300.

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Thanks for the info, so no hope for L-1011 service on that route in the near future. Wish it would be possible to get infos on occasional equipment changes (if there is such a thing)....
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Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:36 pm

Hello Loran,

will tell you the bits & pieces that i know,,,

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
is there a re-start of Aria Air in sight?

Yes, Aria Air will restart,against Govt. wishes, but thru a court order. AFAIK, IL62 ops will resume soon if not already.

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
Does the following photo indicate the end of the Saha Air 707 operations?

Very Likely, Info i have from THR is that that another 2 ex CZ AB6's (EP-SIA & EP-SIF) will be brought online with the gradual retirement of the B707 ops.... the plan is that they be used for cargo ops only.

Time will tell...

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
maybe the RAF L-1011s will return?

Have been told, that every XX months that the L1011 has to make the run as to take certain "Military Equipment" down south ,as not permitted on civil aircraft.
How much truth in that..? best idea is to check how many visits the L1011 made to Port Stanley during the Flyglobespan contract.

will update as and when more info is acquired.

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Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:42 pm

Just had word hat Saha have now bought there 2nd ex CZ Ab6, while the word on the street is that Aria Air may well be leasing MD80's ex Ukraine.
 
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Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 4):

Very detailed insight, Tugmaster. Thank you very much!

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 3):
Have been told, that every XX months that the L1011 has to make the run as to take certain "Military Equipment" down south ,as not permitted on civil aircraft.
How much truth in that..? best idea is to check how many visits the L1011 made to Port Stanley during the Flyglobespan contract.

Occasional equipment change was my hope (first time I'd be happy about equipment change though)  sly 

I guess it is safe to assume that the restrictions for carrying equipment on that route will remain with a new civil contractor. I will do some research to find out if / how often the L-1011s return.

Thanks again and I'd be happy if you could post more info once you get an update.

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Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:21 am

I found one more Il-62 operator (Deta Air):

http://www.detakz.com/air/regular

They claim to operate scheduled weekly flights on the route Shymkent-Istanbul-Shymkent. Is this really happening and has anyone actually seen an Il-62 in IST?
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Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:22 am



Quoting Loran (Reply 6):
I found one more Il-62 operator (Deta Air):

They even acquired 3 in july/august 2008. UP-I6206, UP-I6207 and UP-I6209.


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However i haven't seen a photo more recent than 2008 on any website in the web, so i doubt if they're really are operating. However you always can send them an email  Smile

And there is one more operator of the IL-62: "Aviaenergo" http://www.aviaenergo.ru They have two aircraft according to their website, but as far as my information is correct only RA-86583 is still flying around. However they seem only to lease/charter them out, no scheduled services.

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Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:23 am

I believe that the IL62's that Aria Air where flying around where leased from DETA AIR.
If you manage to pick up a copy of this months Airways magazine, (think it has an A380 on the front), there's a very good article inside from a chap called Charles Kennedy who flew a couple of the Aria Air's IL62, including the one that crashed.
Interesting side note to the article, the IL62 that crashed had Aria Air TU154 safety cards on board......
 
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Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:58 pm

Hello, with regard to the replacement for the GSM service to the Falkland Islands. I had heard that MON had volunteered to fill the gap with their A330's in the short term. Does anyone know any different?
 
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Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:59 am

Thanks Severnaya, Tugmaster and EGPH!

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 7):

Doubtful that they operate this service. If they were always on time maybe the lack of photos is due to the late night arrival and early morning departure, however with three days on the ground in SAW?

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 8):
If you manage to pick up a copy of this months Airways magazine, (think it has an A380 on the front), there's a very good article inside from a chap called Charles Kennedy who flew a couple of the Aria Air's IL62, including the one that crashed.

I might be to late for this edition, the 02/2010 is already out according to their website. But it mentions the article with the scary Il-62 details:

http://www.airwaysmag.com/channels.html?article_id=200&channel_id=16

Quoting EGPH (Reply 9):
Hello, with regard to the replacement for the GSM service to the Falkland Islands. I had heard that MON had volunteered to fill the gap with their A330's in the short term

Interesting, thanks. Monarch is as boring as Flyglobespan. I wouldn't mind if e.g. Omni Air DC-10s would pick up that service, or the RAF L-1011s  Smile

I have now found out that the CU Il-62 operates until end of March, it seems to be scheduled for the Friday morning flights to CCS. However the CU website booking engine is down and elsewhere availability is shown as 0.
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Quoting EGPH (Reply 9):
Hello, with regard to the replacement for the GSM service to the Falkland Islands. I had heard that MON had volunteered to fill the gap with their A330's in the short term. Does anyone know any different?

I can tell you that Monarch were approached, and the availability wasn't there for the flights, due to the irregular schedules required by the MoD. A weekly service would have been more attractive. An A300 option was also looked at, but really didn't make much sense.

Quoting Loran (Reply 10):
Interesting, thanks. Monarch is as boring as Flyglobespan.

Ouch, that hurts!
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Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:28 am

If anyone is interested, there is a CU Il-62M service HAV-CCS-HAV on the 28th of February and most other Sundays that month. You can book it through www.wideroe.no. It is around AU$540 return, same fare o/w. Will see if I can make it... This seems to be the least dangerous option of the discussed operators.
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Quoting 02hilliert (Reply 11):
I can tell you that Monarch were approached, and the availability wasn't there for the flights, due to the irregular schedules required by the MoD. A weekly service would have been more attractive. An A300 option was also looked at, but really didn't make much sense.

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Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:08 pm

Good thread. It would be nice if we could all keep this one alive by adding anything we find out about interesting aircraft to fly this year.

My next trip is to Syria to fly the Tu-134 and YAK-40 on 5-6 February. There doesn't seem to be any sign of these being replaced so they're still more than doable.

I've been keping my eye on the Trast Aero BAC One Eleven 500s but it seems difficult to find out what they're actually doing. EX-086 has been stored at RKT since the middle of 2009 but EX-103 had been active until recently and it looks like it has just been re-registered 4L-BAS and is also at RKT. I hope it becomes possible to fly on this at some point.

I also noticed the limited Cubana IL-62 ops to CCS in Amadeus. I've already flown CU-T1280 but it is still very tempting. I couldn't find any other CU flights operated by the IL-62.

The Daallo Airlines IL-18s have been replaced by a DC-9 30 on their international flights to JED and NBO so the only option to get on these is now some of the flights into Hargeisa, Somaliland. I was lucky enough to get on one of these last year when they were still operating to JED: To The Horn Of Africa By Ilyushin 18 [pics/videos] (by UK_Dispatcher Dec 13 2009 in Trip Reports)
I'd still love to get another flight on one of these.

Any idea whether any IL-86s will be operating this year?
 
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:52 am

Hi Ian,

Thanks for your update, I was hoping you guys would be able to share some infos here.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 14):
I've been keping my eye on the Trast Aero BAC One Eleven 500s but it seems difficult to find out what they're actually doing. EX-086 has been stored at RKT since the middle of 2009 but EX-103 had been active until recently and it looks like it has just been re-registered 4L-BAS and is also at RKT. I hope it becomes possible to fly on this at some point.

That sounds like an interesting aircraft. Do you know which route they fly?

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 14):
I've already flown CU-T1280 but it is still very tempting. I couldn't find any other CU flights operated by the IL-62.

Lucky you  Smile I think the Il-62 only serves this route when the Tu-204 is in maintenance or on another flight, and I didn't observe any more flights after the winter schedule. Question is, do they really operate these flights every Sunday?

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 14):
I'd still love to get another flight on one of these.

Me too! If I only had enough time to cover all of those at once...

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 14):
Any idea whether any IL-86s will be operating this year?

Does anyone have an insight into Amadeus? That Airline Route mapper tool I linked above doesn't display any scheduled ILW flights for the winter schedule, but maybe they return during the peak period. Atlant-Soyuz also made a retirement announcement a while back, but (like the SU Il-96s) they still seem to operate:

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Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:13 am



Quoting Loran (Reply 15):
but maybe they return during the peak period.

This is not maybe, it is for certain they will be in use during the peak travel periods to AYT and destinations like that.
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Quoting Severnaya (Reply 16):
This is not maybe, it is for certain they will be in use during the peak travel periods to AYT and destinations like that.

That would be great. Which ones are still active? Ural? Atlant-Soyuz?
Not sure about Aeroflot-Don:

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Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:35 pm

Donavia & Atlant-Soyuz are most likely as there are photos of them flying around even in 2010.

Ural also has at least one able to fly immediately (as it's from time to time flying the MOW-SVX runs).

Not sure though how bookable these flights are as most of them are chartered ones.
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Quoting Loran (Reply 6):
They claim to operate scheduled weekly flights on the route Shymkent-Istanbul-Shymkent. Is this really happening and has anyone actually seen an Il-62 in IST?

If I remember correctly on one of FLIEGER67's Trip Report's from Turkey he has a photo of one at Istanbul!

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Just heard from a contact in Iran that the Saha 707s are still active, flying daily to KIH and 3 times a week to MHD. Apparently the A300-600 will be used to DXB and DAM so the 707s may be around for a while.

It is still uncertain whether Aria Air and the IL-62s will see service again.

Quoting SAAB900 (Reply 19):
If I remember correctly on one of FLIEGER67's Trip Report's from Turkey he has a photo of one at Istanbul!

Here it is: Istanbul Sabiha´s New Terminal And Pegasus (by FLIEGER67 Dec 7 2009 in Trip Reports)

Now that IS interesting....
 
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Quoting SAAB900 (Reply 19):
If I remember correctly on one of FLIEGER67's Trip Report's from Turkey he has a photo of one at Istanbul!
Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 20):
Here it is: Istanbul Sabiha´s New Terminal And Pegasus (by FLIEGER67 Dec 7 2009 in Trip Reports)

Now that IS interesting....

Wow, so that service actually is operated. Who is up for it?

Also, there is an interesting comment on the above linked photo of the Aria Il-62 (EDIT: for some reason I am not able to link the photo in here, seems to be due to the recent site maintenance. I am referring to photo ID 1622948).

It says this airframe might take up for 'Caspian Airlines' in the near future, so at least it does not seem to be grounded for good.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 20):
Just heard from a contact in Iran that the Saha 707s are still active, flying daily to KIH and 3 times a week to MHD. Apparently the A300-600 will be used to DXB and DAM so the 707s may be around for a while.

That is good to hear, maybe there will still be a time where both, the 707 and Il-62 are operating at the same time, making it worth to book a trip.
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Hello again,,

Latest news from Iran.

Mahan Air 747-400's are at IKA now. They returned from Turkey to IKA 2,3 weeks ago and they will be grounded here in Iran  no more flights with 747-400's)
Now Mahan Air is going to buy 3 A340. One A340-300 (EI-EHZ) and 2 A340-500 ..? ----
And the 2nd A300-600 for Saha Air was moved to Johannesburg.Ex- reg: B-2327 (China Southern).

Ian, i guess we have the same source right..? Will indeed be a fine day if the Saha AB6's are soley used for the Rumoured DAM & DXB start up.
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Quoting Loran (Reply 21):
Wow, so that service actually is operated. Who is up for it?

I am.

One of my collegues in Kazakhstan made some enquiries today and it does operate that weekly flight. You can apparently buy tickets in ALA and CIT. I just need to find out if it is possible to buy tickets at SAW. Apparently the flight is full for the next 2 weeks, so I am looking at early March.
 
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Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 23):

Hi Ian, good to hear there are others out there  

I am about to find out when I am available to go, it might also be March but I will only find out in a week. Are you able to post an update once you have some info about tickets in SAW? I will be in touch shortly when I have a better idea of my oncoming work commitments.

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Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:07 am

hi guys,,
count me in on this one, i fancy a little ride in a 62'

btw, Saha have now recieved their 2nd A300-600

as expected, ex CZ , now sitting at THR in full CZ colours...reg EP-SIG

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Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:13 am

Just browsed the Deta Air website and it says two of their three Il-62's are for sale, including the sole passenger / combi aircraft  
It says: "Prolongation of aircraft- 28.02.2010". Sounds like this airframe will not be operated any longer than that.

http://www.detakz.com/sale

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Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 23):
One of my collegues in Kazakhstan made some enquiries today and it does operate that weekly flight. You can apparently buy tickets in ALA and CIT. I just need to find out if it is possible to buy tickets at SAW. Apparently the flight is full for the next 2 weeks, so I am looking at early March.

Any new information available?
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Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:35 pm

Less than a week ago i remember having seen on live mode-s radar a B767 from Africa (sorry for the lack of precision) flying from the Falklands to a RAF military air base !
 
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Quoting Severnaya (Reply 27):
Any new information available?

I hadn't checked my e-mails for a few days until now, but still nothing from Deta Air's rep in Turkey. Her English is very poor and she never got back to me despite a couple of e-mails. I also called the Turkish number listed on Deta Air's website but, again, the guy did not speak English.

I will check with my colleagure in Kazakhstan tomorrow who told me to get back to him if I gor nowhere with Deta Air. Maybe he will manage to sort something. I'll let you all know.
 
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Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:44 am

What day does the IL62 operate from IST? As it happens I will be in Turkey in April and was looking at doing a day of domestic flying on Tues 13th, but would happily ditch it for a IL62!!!!
 
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Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:02 am

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 30):
What day does the IL62 operate from IST? As it happens I will be in Turkey in April and was looking at doing a day of domestic flying on Tues 13th, but would happily ditch it for a IL62!!!!

It operates SAW-CIT on a Thursday and CIT-SAW on a Sunday.

DET9007 SUN CIT-SAW 2000/2000 IL6
DET9008 THU SAW-CIT 0500/1230 IL6

It means spending at least one night in Kazakhstan, as there are not many domestic flights out of CIT on a Thursday; and nothing international.
 
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Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:53 am

Thanks UK_Dispatcher. Sounds pretty tempting but the other half would have a fit if I attempted to change our holiday plans for this   Next time...
 
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Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:50 pm

Ian / Loran,

apologies for being out of touch, but have been trying to plan loads

My March schedule is filling up pretty fast, so unless we can find out a littel bit more, time may be running out.
I posted an answer in the other IL62 thread about a trip i was planning, but it's tough to book the 62 part of it.
Also looking at NBO-JUBA rtn after your last TR Ian, along with the RB Ty-134/YAK40 rotations... now that they have agreed to by ATR's, there flying days will soon be over.

Keep trying lads..
 
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Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:35 pm

I've drawn a blank with regard to the Deta Air IL-62. I can't seem to find anyone who is able to speak English, let alone give me any information beyond what is shown on their website. If anyone else finds anything out, do let me know. I'm already looking at other 'missions' now, the next of which will probably be the Tu-134 and YAK-40 in Syria which should be very easy.
 
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Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:58 pm

I was planning a trip to Syria as well, to fly the Tu-134, but as I've already flown the Yak 40 and Yak 40K they have I've decided to call it off. Essentially apart from the AirEvents flights in Kiev, two big aims this year are to fly the Tu-134 and An-148. The latter is now impossible to find in AeroSvit's schedules, but Rossiya in Russia have now received a second example and are flying it between MOW and LED for €50. This should kill two birds with one stone and be cheaper, even after the horrendous Visa cost!

Still, finding Tu-134 flight aren't as easy as you might think - anyone got suggestions of a 'safe bet'? Although I'm also very tempted by Aeroflot's price of €201+ tax for a KBP-SVO-VVO flight - if only they still had the Il-96 I'd do it  


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Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:01 pm

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 22):
Mahan Air 747-400's are at IKA now. They returned from Turkey to IKA 2,3 weeks ago and they will be grounded here in Iran no more flights with 747-400's)
Now Mahan Air is going to buy 3 A340. One A340-300 (EI-EHZ) and 2 A340-500 ..? ----

According to local sources, an A340-300 is going to be put on the THR-BHX route, replacing the current A310-300. Anyone else thinking it's going to be mighty fun watching that one lift on on a sunny Midland day from BHX's fairly short runway 
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Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:54 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 35):
Still, finding Tu-134 flight aren't as easy as you might think - anyone got suggestions of a 'safe bet'? Although I'm also very tempted by Aeroflot's price of €201+ tax for a KBP-SVO-VVO flight - if only they still had the Il-96 I'd do it

Dan,

Aeroflot are operating the IL-96 SVO-AYT again this summer, I believe. Also, for the remainder of the winter it operates two flights on a saturday SVO-SZG.

Re the Tu-134, aside from Syria there are certainly still a few operating in Russia. Also, Air Company Kyrghstan (or whatever it is they call themselves) still operate one, as I know it flies FRU-LHE once a week. Marsland Aviation operate one in Sudan but maybe thats a bit too exotic - especially since I don't know any other routes it operates apart from Khartoum to El Fasher (Darfur).
 
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Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:14 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 35):
but Rossiya in Russia have now received a second example and are flying it between MOW and LED for €50

Correct.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 35):
Still, finding Tu-134 flight aren't as easy as you might think - anyone got suggestions of a 'safe bet'?

I don't know which variant you meant exactly, but there isn't a single TU-134 flying around anymore according to my records. Other variants, like Tu-134A & B are still flying around like UTair's LED-SCW and LED-SGC flights are pretty much always operated by TU3, also the LED-AER flight is scheduled as being operated by the TU3, however this isn't an as safe bet as the other two mentioned.
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Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:34 pm

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 37):
Aeroflot are operating the IL-96 SVO-AYT again this summer, I believe. Also, for the remainder of the winter it operates two flights on a saturday SVO-SZG.

Unfortunately it ends a few weeks before I travel, plus it's got a fare of over €600 on the Aeroflot site! Would have been good fun though.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 37):
Re the Tu-134, aside from Syria there are certainly still a few operating in Russia. Also, Air Company Kyrghstan (or whatever it is they call themselves) still operate one, as I know it flies FRU-LHE once a week. Marsland Aviation operate one in Sudan but maybe thats a bit too exotic - especially since I don't know any other routes it operates apart from Khartoum to El Fasher (Darfur).

There's quite a lot in the other block states, but that would mean a second visa which is more cost and more time. Plus I'd rather spend a few weeks in each other those countries, not a few days which, realistically is all I have. I'm still up for trying the Syrian one as well later this year, but I'm going to have a shot at a Russian one first.

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 38):
I don't know which variant you meant exactly, but there isn't a single TU-134 flying around anymore according to my records. Other variants, like Tu-134A & B are still flying around like UTair's LED-SCW and LED-SGC flights are pretty much always operated by TU3, also the LED-AER flight is scheduled as being operated by the TU3, however this isn't an as safe bet as the other two mentioned.

Thank you, that's lead me onto finding some fares and now I'm starting to piece together a rough itinerary. I'm basically just looking to fly any Tu-134, plus hopefully a Tu-154 into the South from Kiev on entering - Donavia IIRC. Return fares from Russia are quite high, and although I already have a RZE-BRS flight booked I've just come across LED-KIV-LGW routing with Air Moldova for €140 all in, which would beat FR any day.

Thanks again - this is a great thread 


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Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:53 pm

hi ya,

here's a quick update on the SAHA situation..

Saha Air has two A300-600's now. one of them is in full Saha Air paint scheme and the other one is under check. It is claimed that they will be activated and used for Nowrouz holidays (March 17 to almost April 17) after that.

They will use A300-600's in long domestic and also international routes like Kish Island, Dubai, Damascus, etc and 707's in other domestic routes.

Nothing is clear now, but at the moment the 707s are flying .
There are flights everyday to Kish at 17:30 and return at 20:00.
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Monday, Wednesday and Friday flight to Mashhad at 9:30 and return at 11:30.


as for the Aria IL62..... nothing.
 
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Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:58 pm

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 40):
as for the Aria IL62..... nothing.

I read today that within a few months all Russian Pilots flying in Iran will be replaced by Iranian Pilots. I can't see that boding well for the return of the IL-62. We'll see.

Still, some positive news on the IL-62 front - I've managed to get in touch with someone who can make a reservation on Deta Air. One way SAW-CIT is USD400. If anyone wants the e-mail address let me know. I'm not going to make it in the next month due to possible work commitments.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:04 pm

Hello to everyone and sorry for my absence. Good to see that this thread is still active.  
Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 28):
Less than a week ago i remember having seen on live mode-s radar a B767 from Africa (sorry for the lack of precision) flying from the Falklands to a RAF military air base !

Thanks for sharing, sounds like Flyglobespan or Monarch? Once I get some spare time, I will do some research to find out if there is an occasional equipment change to type L10. That base would be RAF Brize Norton with a stop in Ascencion Island.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 31):
It operates SAW-CIT on a Thursday and CIT-SAW on a Sunday.
DET9007 SUN CIT-SAW 2000/2000 IL6
DET9008 THU SAW-CIT 0500/1230 IL6
It means spending at least one night in Kazakhstan, as there are not many domestic flights out of CIT on a Thursday; and nothing international.

Considering the times, I may have to go on a Sunday then although it is a flight in the dark. But my work will probably not allow me to go during the week.

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 33):
along with the RB Ty-134/YAK40 rotations
Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 34):
I'm already looking at other 'missions' now, the next of which will probably be the Tu-134 and YAK-40 in Syria which should be very easy
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 35):
I was planning a trip to Syria as well, to fly the Tu-134
Quoting Severnaya (Reply 38):
I don't know which variant you meant exactly, but there isn't a single TU-134

Do I understand correctly that you are after the initial Tu3 model, not the A/B’s? I had no idea that there were some (recently) flying. I have only been on B’s, so an A model would be great. I was looking at UTair, possibly this summer. Also, the Yak-40/42 is high on the list, which airlines are the safest bet? I came across an airline called Bugulma Air Enterprise, which operates exclusively Yak-40s in Russia.

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 40):
hi ya,
here's a quick update on the SAHA situation.

Thanks for sharing. Good to hear the Saha 707 remains active for now, I am still pending to get on one of those including the rare IR/S7 A310-200.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 41):
One way SAW-CIT is USD400. If anyone wants the e-mail address let me know. I'm not going to make it in the next month due to possible work commitments.

Good news, can you please forward that address to my email? Pleas keep me in the loop if you aim at next month, although the Sunday flight would be much better suited during April.

Cheers,
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:01 pm

Quoting Loran (Reply 42):
Do I understand correctly that you are after the initial Tu3 model, not the A/B’s? I had no idea that there were some (recently) flying. I have only been on B’s, so an A model would be great. I was looking at UTair, possibly this summer. Also, the Yak-40/42 is high on the list, which airlines are the safest bet? I came across an airline called Bugulma Air Enterprise, which operates exclusively Yak-40s in Russia.

It's generic really, I'm just after anything which is a Tu-134.

I'm supposidly booked on a Yak-42D return with DonbassAero from KBP to DOK, but this may be a 737-500 instead. I know Air Volga has just replaced their Tu-134s and Yak 42s with CRJ-200s, although they may still have some left. The best bet for the Yak-40 is Syrian, you may also get the K version, although I think Tajik Air were also operating some.


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Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:24 pm

Good news for the ILW (IL-86) lovers.

From July 2nd to half of september, Atlant-Soyuz will fly VKO-AER once daily with the ILW.

7B-201 VKO 15:55 AER 18:10 ILW
7B-202 AER 19:40 VKO 22:00 ILW
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Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:01 pm

Maybe a dumb qustion but where and how do you book those flights, planning on going to Gelendzhik in september but when I try to book the flight to AER on Atlant-Soyuz website it won't let me choose AER

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Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:31 pm

Well, just fill in from Moscow to Sochi and it should give you the desired result:

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Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:45 pm

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 46):
Well, just fill in from Moscow to Sochi and it should give you the desired result:

Weird, I couldn't choose any of the cities before, but it seems to work now, thank you.

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Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:23 pm

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 44):
Good news for the ILW (IL-86) lovers.

From July 2nd to half of september, Atlant-Soyuz will fly VKO-AER once daily with the ILW.

7B-201 VKO 15:55 AER 18:10 ILW
7B-202 AER 19:40 VKO 22:00 ILW

Great news, though I have been on that service last year. I suspect Atlant-Soyuz will also fly to AYT during peak season, unless Turkey has put a ban on them?

For everyone who wants to give it a try, I booked it online through their website August last year only 3 days in advance.
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Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:05 pm

Where is Kuban planning to use their 737's and where do they still olan to use Yak 42's by september?

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